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作者: HaileyChn 時間: 09-3-13 00:20 標題: ESF vs. KCIS

My son is now accepted by both ESF Abacus and KCIS K1 2009. Which one is better? Any comments?

作者: popolung 時間: 09-3-13 02:24

原帖由 HaileyChn 於 09-3-13 00:20 發表
My son is now accepted by both ESF Abacus and KCIS K1 2009. Which one is better? Any comments?

ask yourselves first, what do you want?

1. Where do you want your kid to study in for primary school?

2. Do you want him to learn very native English? Or you want a balance of both Chinese & English?

作者: evatsoihk 時間: 09-3-13 20:32

我個人認爲KCIS應該是首選，第一，它的英語跟ESF一樣好；第二，它的中文肯定比ESF強。

小學的基礎教育作爲重要，有了扎實的底子，不難考進好的中學。

原帖由 popolung 於 09-3-13 02:24 發表

ask yourselves first, what do you want?

1. Where do you want your kid to study in for primary school?

2. Do you want him to learn very native English? Or you want a balance of both Chinese & Engli ...

作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 09-3-13 21:15

原帖由 evatsoihk 於 09-3-13 20:32 發表
我個人認爲KCIS應該是首選，第一，它的英語跟ESF一樣好；第二，它的中文肯定比ESF強。

小學的基礎教育作爲重要，有了扎實的底子，不難考進好的中學。

...

KCIS is a balance environment but english immersion in ESF is better than KCIS.

作者: HaileyChn 時間: 09-3-13 23:52

I want her to have native english plus good Chinese, so it's a difficult decision. Will go for a tour in Abacus tomorrow and then need to decide in few days.

原帖由 Yau_Cheung 於 09-3-13 21:15 發表

KCIS is a balance environment but english immersion in ESF is better than KCIS.

作者: popolung 時間: 09-3-14 08:51

原帖由 evatsoihk 於 09-3-13 20:32 發表
我個人認爲KCIS應該是首選，第一，它的英語跟ESF一樣好；第二，它的中文肯定比ESF強。

小學的基礎教育作爲重要，有了扎實的底子，不難考進好的中學。

...

If you get into ESF primary school, you don't have to worry to go to ESF Secondary School, as it is guaranteed. Then you have so many choices in HK, and many are very good one like KGV, Shatin College. For example: Abacus -> CWBS -> KGV.

If need better balance of English and Chinese can consider RC (also run by ESF but it is a PIS)

作者: evatsoihk 時間: 09-3-14 12:12

假若“中英並重”是你的首要考慮，那你也可以試試CIS或者SIS。

原帖由 HaileyChn 於 09-3-13 23:52 發表
I want her to have native english plus good Chinese, so it's a difficult decision. Will go for a tour in Abacus tomorrow and then need to decide in few days.

作者: buu0605 時間: 09-3-14 22:39

may I know what is RC and SIS? I'm also looking for IS with good English and Chinese teaching, and not too far away from Kowloon. thanks.

原帖由 evatsoihk 於 09-3-14 12:12 發表
假若“中英並重”是你的首要考慮，那你也可以試試CIS或者SIS。

作者: popolung 時間: 09-3-14 22:55

原帖由 buu0605 於 09-3-14 22:39 發表
may I know what is RC and SIS? I'm also looking for IS with good English and Chinese teaching, and not too far away from Kowloon. thanks.

RC - Renaissance College (PIS under ESF) in Shatin MOS
http://www.renaissance.edu.hk/

SIS - Singapore International School in Aberdeen, HK
http://www.singapore.edu.hk/

[ 本帖最後由 popolung 於 09-3-15 15:05 編輯 ]

作者: almom 時間: 09-3-15 13:49

What do parents expect their children language(s) level(s) to be?

Each parent/family has different expectations. My impression or expectations of "good English" or "good Chinese" would probably be different from many other parents.

So parents should ask themselves, how good your children's English or Chinese would be acceptable to you or do you expect. For example, to many parents, the so called "good English" in local elite schools are "not good" at all; while to many others, the "good English" in local elite schools are probably what they have always hoped or dreamt for.

So, where do you stand?

Plus, considering a school is never merely considering the language level. There are other things to consider: location, fees, curriculum, campus, school culture, etc.

ESF and KCIS are quite different in many ways. I think that it should not be too difficult in deciding which one suits you more.

作者: panala 時間: 09-3-15 21:34

Almom,

Can you share with us about how KCIS and ESF different in many ways as I am going to send my daughter to KCIS in Sept 09 and still waiting for the result from ESF (SW). Therefor, I would like to gather more opinions from others.

Thanks a lot

原帖由 almom 於 09-3-15 13:49 發表
What do parents expect their children language(s) level(s) to be?

Each parent/family has different expectations. My impression or expectations of "good English" or "good Chinese" would probably be di ...

作者: babyoush 時間: 09-3-16 10:41

原帖由 panala 於 09-3-15 21:34 發表
Almom,

Can you share with us about how KCIS and ESF different in many ways as I am going to send my daughter to KCIS in Sept 09 and still waiting for the result from ESF (SW). Therefor, I would like ...

I would like to know too because I need to apply primary 1 for my daughters this Sept. Thx for sharing.

作者: popolung 時間: 09-3-16 11:10

Take an example, I went to CWBS and see in the playground, almost 90% of students in 1 class are foreigners, vs I saw like 60% only in RC. So I think KCIS will be similar like RC. Once you have more foreigners in the community, it will affect the daily life and conversation, studying, behaviour of your kids, etc. Good or bad, you won't know.

But if you prefer to have a more traditional way of learning, but a bit close to IS, then KCIS or CIS may be your choice. RC may be close too. Other ESF with a higher foreigner mix will be towards another end (but diff ESF has diff mix, for example someone said QBS only has 60% of foreigners), but I prefer the way of its education mode, then if you can also appreciate it, should be fine.

[ 本帖最後由 popolung 於 09-3-16 11:11 編輯 ]

作者: babyoush 時間: 09-3-16 12:36

原帖由 popolung 於 09-3-16 11:10 發表
Take an example, I went to CWBS and see in the playground, almost 90% of students in 1 class are foreigners, vs I saw like 60% only in RC. So I think KCIS will be similar like RC. Once you have more ...

Except this point, how do you comment on KCIS? Is it a good school (I mean 校風方面) ? Actually I target ESF but, as everyone knows, the competition is very keen. I would like to apply KCIS as back up. Even though it is for back up, I want to know the comments about this school because at the end my daughters may join this school. Thx for your help.

作者: hellovicky 時間: 09-3-16 15:20

我個囡現讀KCIS P.1.我覺得校風都唔錯, 如果小朋友煩錯老師會佢罰企, 嚴重者要見head teacher. 走廊不可以跑, 出入課室要排隊. 上堂不可以同同學傾計. 不可以在課堂上講廣東話. 如果小朋友煩錯, 老師會寫在手冊上等等....

作者: babyoush 時間: 09-3-16 17:03

原帖由 hellovicky 於 09-3-16 15:20 發表
我個囡現讀KCIS P.1.我覺得校風都唔錯, 如果小朋友煩錯老師會佢罰企, 嚴重者要見head teacher. 走廊不可以跑, 出入課室要排隊. 上堂不可以同同學傾計. 不可以在課堂上講廣東話. 如果小朋友煩錯, 老師會寫在手冊上等 ...

課堂上唔可以講廣東話, 咁請問課餘小朋友講英文多定廣東話多呀?? 同埋多唔多功課呢?

作者: hellovicky 時間: 09-3-16 22:08

小息小朋友之間玩可能佢地會講廣東話, 但有時我見佢地都會用英文溝通. 但如果老師聽到就會提醒佢地用英文.
一星期有一至兩版中文字寫. 逢星期五會有數頁英文+數學功課. 如放長假就會多少少功課.
第二個學期一星期會有一次spelling test, 每次6-8個英文字. 因為佢地教Phonics教得好, 所以小朋友溫1-2次已經識哂. 另外每星期會有一本Oxford Reading Book, 要小朋友返屋企睇, 再用自己琳既英文講返比老師聽.

原帖由 babyoush 於 09-3-16 17:03 發表

課堂上唔可以講廣東話, 咁請問課餘小朋友講英文多定廣東話多呀?? 同埋多唔多功課呢?

作者: babyoush 時間: 09-3-17 14:41

原帖由 hellovicky 於 09-3-16 22:08 發表
小息小朋友之間玩可能佢地會講廣東話, 但有時我見佢地都會用英文溝通. 但如果老師聽到就會提醒佢地用英文.
一星期有一至兩版中文字寫. 逢星期五會有數頁英文+數學功課. 如放長假就會多少少功課.
第二個學期一星期會 ...

請問你小朋友係咪會一路讀上中學架? 唔知中學又好唔好呢? 唔好意思呀問咁多嘢, 因為如果讀開一間好嘅唔想到中學又要轉呀嘛, 麻煩晒~

作者: hellovicky 時間: 09-3-17 21:36

唔緊要, 大家交流吓.....
中學未必會係KCIS讀, 因為佢地會同local中學生一齊共用校舍, 由於local學生校風較差, 怕佢地會學壞. 其實lee個只係其中一個會琳既問題, 而加都言之過早....

作者: babyoush 時間: 09-3-18 13:37

原帖由 hellovicky 於 09-3-17 21:36 發表
唔緊要, 大家交流吓.....
中學未必會係KCIS讀, 因為佢地會同local中學生一齊共用校舍, 由於local學生校風較差, 怕佢地會學壞. 其實lee個只係其中一個會琳既問題, 而加都言之過早.... ...

共用校舍

作者: 琬晴B 時間: 09-3-18 15:17

Yes. The local & int'l sections (for KCIS: starting from P.2) share the same campus at Braemar Hill, North Point.

If you want to know more about its Secondary School, you may google "KCCIS" (not KCIS) and get a very basic idea how the students are doing, say like:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=kccis&aq=f

http://www.fotolog.com/ivannasze

http://static.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=746074&page=2

Though my daughter will be in RCHK this August, I am interested in paying a visit to Braemar Hill campus as I might put my younger son there when he reaches P. 1.

原帖由 babyoush 於 09-3-18 13:37 發表

共用校舍 ??

作者: Pianokc 時間: 09-3-26 00:04

My daughter has been offered a space in P2 upcoming Sept. I am thinking and thinking, what I don't like is the building. It's very very old, and dreary, and I am worried because it's sharing with the local secondary. My daughter was standing next to a boy just getting off school, guess he must be secondary, my daughter was up to his thighs in height. I cannot imagine her walking next to these giants in the same building !

Good Hope is our present choice, until they offered us the spot today. Thinking thinking thinking....

作者: popolung 時間: 09-3-26 00:39

原帖由 Pianokc 於 09-3-26 00:04 發表
My daughter has been offered a space in P2 upcoming Sept. I am thinking and thinking, what I don't like is the building. It's very very old, and dreary, and I am worried because it's sharing with the ...

I think many schools share campus for Primary & Secondary school, or at least they are in the same location, like RCHK, Good Hope......pros & cons.

作者: wisekid2007 時間: 09-3-27 11:47

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作者: popolung 時間: 09-3-27 13:03

原帖由 wisekid2007 於 09-3-27 11:47 發表
第一，它的英語跟ESF一樣 --- Really ??

第二，它的中文肯定比ESF強 --- I don't think so as the Chinese standard of students in IS are mainly depending on the parents but not the school.

My person view is v ...

where can we see those results? Can you share some links?

作者: wisekid2007 時間: 09-3-27 13:56

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作者: popolung 時間: 09-3-27 14:47

原帖由 wisekid2007 於 09-3-27 13:56 發表
For the results of secondary schools, someone has posted them on BK before and you have to search them from those threads in this section long long time ago. But one thing I remembered clearly that th ...

I found some very rough data from ESF Secondary school website:

KGV: http://www.kgv.edu.hk/achievements/examresult.html

SC:

https://clc.esf.edu.hk/GroupDownloadFile.asp?GroupId=2299&ResourceID=180035

SIS

http://www.sis.edu.hk/index.aspx?nodeid=1128&langNo=1

WIS

http://clc.esf.edu.hk/GroupRenderCustomPage.asp?GroupID=1888&ResourceId=19355

Can't find IS one...

作者: wisekid2007 時間: 09-3-27 15:16

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作者: thomas7799c 時間: 09-3-28 00:01

原帖由 HaileyChn 於 09-3-13 00:20 發表
My son is now accepted by both ESF Abacus and KCIS K1 2009. Which one is better? Any comments?

My kid is now in Abacus K1. Students from Abacus have to be interviewed before they will be accepted by Clear Water Bay School. Abacus students get priority for interview. It works in this order: Cat 1 Abacus students, Cat 1 non-Abacus students, Cat 2 Abacus students, Cat 2 non -Abacus students.

I heard from some K2 parents that up to 2 weeks ago, there were still no interviews for Cat 2 students in Abacus because there are too many Cat 1 students applying for Clear Water Bay School. Note: Shatin Junior has already completed the interview process for ESF kindergarten students around Chinese New Year. Now Cat. 1 are foreigners. I think students with siblings also belong to Cat. 1.

When I heard the news, which I did verify with their office, I was very worried that my kid would not even be given an interview for P1 next year. I then applied for a place in K2 of KCIS (International) as once you get in KCIS, you can go direct to P1 without an interview. I may transfer to KCIS next year.

Is there any way I can contact you direct to give you more comments?

作者: popolung 時間: 09-3-28 00:37

原帖由 wisekid2007 於 09-3-27 15:16 發表
One thing I would like to clarify.

I am only talking about the comparision of ESF primary and secondary with KCIS primary and secondary.

Regarding the kinder, I think the teaching quality of KCIS ki ...

Why KCIS teaching quality is better? How do you compared? You have kids in both kinder?

作者: popolung 時間: 09-3-28 01:04

原帖由 thomas7799c 於 09-3-28 00:01 發表

My kid is now in Abacus K1. Students from Abacus have to be interviewed before they will be accepted by Clear Water Bay School. Abacus students get priority for interview. It works in this order: Ca ...

I think you mix up some info. My daughter is in Abacus K2 and she got admitted by RC & CWBS (and we chose CWBS). Almost all Cat 1 students goes to CWBS already (some do go to RC). Some Cat 2 students also get in CWBS in 2 round of interviews. For the rest of Abacus K2 students, they were interviewd by KJS, BHS or SJS, and most got admitted finally, unless they failed the interviews.

I think ESF Abacus (and other ESF kinders) try their very best to let all children have interview chances in ESF Primary school finally, but there is no free lunch for going to ESF Primary school, and this maintain the standard of ESF primary school, though it sounds like I am very cold-blooded to say that....

And Abacus has emphasised at the very beginning that students should apply more school in order to secure a chance for their kids to study in primary school. That included RC and normal ESF that you can send in 2 applications for both school (not sure if you can apply for DC too). Most parents think it is not necessary as their kids (even in Cat 2) will be able to enter any ESF easily, and finally proved it is not true.

If you are in Abacus, I think you should stick with it. It is a very good kinder with lovely garden good teachers, and you are half way in a very good education system in ESF already. Make your own call.

作者: thomas7799c 時間: 09-3-29 21:54

Thx for the info. Do you know if all Cat. 2 students of Abacus were given an interview for CWBS if they selected CWBS in the first place?

作者: popolung 時間: 09-3-30 02:28

原帖由 thomas7799c 於 09-3-29 21:54 發表
Thx for the info. Do you know if all Cat. 2 students of Abacus were given an interview for CWBS if they selected CWBS in the first place?

As far as I know, the answer is no for CWBS. But all Cat 2 students should have interviews in other ESF school too such as KJS, BHS, SJS, etc. But not all finally has been accepted as it will still depend on the kid's english capability.

So I will suggest you should also apply RCHK in parallel as a back-up.

作者: wisekid2007 時間: 09-3-30 13:55

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作者: panala 時間: 09-3-30 14:07

wisekid2007,

My girl is going to KCIS K1 in Sept 09.

Would u please also give me some opinion about the ESF and KCIS primary? As we may plan to leave HK whe our kids complete their primary school.

I know that every school has its pros and cons, but should I try to let her go to other IS (with KCIS as the backup choice only) or it's ok to let her stay in KCIS for kinder + primary?

Thx

原帖由 wisekid2007 於 09-3-27 15:16 發表
One thing I would like to clarify.

I am only talking about the comparision of ESF primary and secondary with KCIS primary and secondary.

Regarding the kinder, I think the teaching quality of KCIS ki ...

作者: popolung 時間: 09-3-30 14:13

原帖由 wisekid2007 於 09-3-30 13:55 發表
Regarding kindergarten education, the weightings on school environment, facilities and extra-curricular activities are relatively less important as compared with the primary and secondary education. O ...

I have experience by putting my kid in local operated kinder and ESF kinder (abacus) and found some diff

1. local one has more Chinese teacher teaching english (may be the one we are at is not famous enough)

2. in ESF kinder (K2) our class has more than 75% overseas kid

3. The environment, especially in Abacus, is like a little rural village. I like it a lot. Everyday they have outdoor activities. The local one is surrounded by A/C 24 hours a day. All kids need more fresh air!

4. Finally more than 95% of kids get a place in ESF Y1 (as fas as I heard)

5. Most important, my kid like it a lot.

6. In local kinder, they will give u some homework to take back home, even just a page of connecting 2 dots to form a line.

Adding up everything, and finally my kid got in CWBS, I will take Abacus if I have to do it all again!

作者: oooray 時間: 09-3-30 15:34

原帖由 popolung 於 09-3-30 14:13 發表

I have experience by putting my kid in local operated kinder and ESF kinder (abacus) and found some diff

1. local one has more Chinese teacher teaching english (may be the one we are at is not famo ...

Dear popolung,
I do appreciate your sharing of your personal experiences;
I agree that Personal experiences are worthy for others' references.

作者: popolung 時間: 09-3-30 16:50

原帖由 oooray 於 09-3-30 15:34 發表

Dear popolung,
I do appreciate your sharing of your personal experiences;
I agree that Personal experiences are worthy for others' references.

Welcome, just hope what I knew will be able to help other parents who is still finding their way. The key point is, I "think", once you decided the academic path for your kid (of course you have to estimate if you can afford it), don't twist easily. The one who suffer will be your kid immediately, and the whole family finally.

作者: 琬晴B 時間: 09-3-30 17:12

I think it may be unfair (and dangerous!) to say one school is better than the other. Unless someone puts one child in ESF & one in KCIS at the same time, it is hard to make an unbiased judgement.

Same as popolung, before I put my daughter in KCIS, she was in an "International Class" of a local kindergarten. Although she was taught by native English/Mandarin teachers, I can firmly say that was absolutely "local" because of the curriculum/assessment system/homework...

Back to the topic question, i.e. "ESF vs KCIS", my choice was KCIS two years ago & I have no regret too because 1) I wanted my daughter to learn more Chinese/Mandarin (more than that of ESF) in an international school setting; 2) KCIS is a through-train school and I am a play safe person; 3) ESF primary was not my target school. (**I only applied RCHK for my daughter this year.)

Some of my daughter's classmates will go to QBS but I don't think many KCIS students target on it. For me, it's also interesting to know some of the KCS (main stream) students will be going to SIS, CIS.....

So I guess parents choose KCS/KCIS because they are attracted by the emphasis on Chinese/Mandarin.

After reading the thread, I was tempted to do a little research on "What is an international school???".

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-3378121,prtpage-1.cms

http://www.isbusan.org/php/thePrincipal.php

There are also some discussions regarding ESF & KCS or KCIS.

http://hongkong.asiaxpat.com/forums/parenting-advice/threads/89092/esf-or-kc/

http://www.geobaby.com/forum/thread122906.html

作者: oooray 時間: 09-3-30 23:49

原帖由 琬晴B 於 09-3-30 17:12 發表
I think it may be unfair (and dangerous!) to say one school is better than the other. Unless someone puts one child in ESF & one in KCIS at the same time, it is hard to make an unbiased judgement.

Sa ...

100% agree with you. It is irrational to simply conclude A school better than B school except u really experience them together.
Also, rather than simply asking somebody comments on either A or B, why not going into details of characteristics of A & B and then decide which one fit your child?

作者: popolung 時間: 09-3-31 21:03

looks like this news on P.3 has a broken link?

作者: evatsoihk 時間: 09-3-31 21:12

你說的對，英語的確是ESF較強，尤其是它們學習語境和教學支援方面。

但說到中文教學（姑且不討論我們身為家長的付出），兩校相比，我還是認爲KCIS略勝一籌。現時KCIS小學使用的中文書籍只比其本地部KCS低一年級--如有錯誤請指正。

說實在的，這兩所學校很難互相比較，皆因各有所長。所以，作爲家長的我們，首先應該有清晰的思路，到底你要為孩子選哪一种：首選英文，還是重英之餘兼附帶中文。

原帖由 wisekid2007 於 09-3-27 15:16 發表
One thing I would like to clarify.

I am only talking about the comparision of ESF primary and secondary with KCIS primary and secondary.

Regarding the kinder, I think the teaching quality of KCIS ki ...

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