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作者: rororolee    時間: 09-3-25 22:53     標題: RC學生除來自ESF kinder 外,有無來自 local kinder?

My target is RC, would consider to put my girl in international class from local kinder like St Cat., Victoria...etc to learn some basic Chinese first! then switch back to international stream in primary. Does any parents know RC will also accept student from local kinder? or I must put my girl in the "real" international one so as to get a seat in RC?
Thx for advice~~
作者: popolung    時間: 09-3-26 00:44

原帖由 rororolee 於 09-3-25 22:53 發表
My target is RC, would consider to put my girl in international class from local kinder like St Cat., Victoria...etc to learn some basic Chinese first! then switch back to international stream in prim ...


Do you have confident that your kid can speak in native english when she is in a local kinder? This is the key of all ESF Y1 interview, including RCHK. If yes, then you can let your kid study in local kinder (or those with int'l class).

But I have tried some local kinder int'l class before I put my girl in Abacus, and I will say if 18 out 20 of classmate is Chinese, it is hard to soak your kid in  English environment. Besides teaching, daily conversation between kids are important. This is how they practice and learn their Engluish too.
作者: Wingba    時間: 09-3-26 08:30

Hi rororolee,

My kid studied in St. Catherine before entering RC so it is a matter of whether you can "drill" your kid to speak English comfortably in front of strangers and use English quite often in his/her daily life.

Before and after entering into St. Catherine we used mostly English to communicate with my kid. So she had no problem in talking to foreigners in English.

I want my kid to have a basic foundation of Chinese before taking up this international stream and I found it my choice is right. Some of her classmates that come from ESF or other int'l kinders are with a lower proficiency in Chinese. I like RC because they use traditional Chinese and I realy hate simplified Chinese.

Having said that, I am not sure if the situation has changed as my kid was the first intake two years ago as more and more parents are targetting at RC don't know if the competition now is more fierce or not.

Good luck!
作者: oooray    時間: 09-3-26 09:14

原帖由 Wingba 於 09-3-26 08:30 發表
Hi rororolee,

My kid studied in St. Catherine before entering RC so it is a matter of whether you can "drill" your kid to speak English comfortably in front of strangers and use English quite often i ...

Hi Wingba,
Just curious to seek for your comment that do you think St. Catherine itself could provide sufficient English proficiency for your daughter to meet today's RC requirement, or that is mainly attributed by your most English communications in the past years?
作者: alima    時間: 09-3-26 09:58

My girl will attend Year 1 , she is study in a traditiional famous kinder, but she is native in Chinese & English, RC don't mind they come fm which kinder.
作者: oooray    時間: 09-3-26 10:14

原帖由 alima 於 09-3-26 09:58 發表
My girl will attend Year 1 , she is study in a traditiional famous kinder, but she is native in Chinese & English, RC don't mind they come fm which kinder.

hi alima,
per my same question to Wingba, do you pay much extra effort in building up your daughter's english proficiency in the past years, or simply contribution from her kindergarten?
作者: alima    時間: 09-3-26 10:32

Actually I put more english training for her, 2 phonics course per week teached by net, philip maid, disney channel TV, e-nopi maths etc., these all can improve her english, although me & hubby talk with her in cantonese, she can change her channel automatic.
作者: oooray    時間: 09-3-26 10:51

原帖由 alima 於 09-3-26 10:32 發表
Actually I put more english training for her, 2 phonics course per week teached by net, philip maid, disney channel TV, e-nopi maths etc., these all can improve her english, although me & hubby talk w ...

Thanks for your sharing.
Would you conclude that English Training in your traditional kinda is still not enough to build up a qualified level to get in RC?
I guess it is an important factor for parents to plan their education plan properly from K1 (or even nursery) who are targeting RC.
[Of course, it will be good to reach the level as "popolung" says by 95% immersing in English environment but inreality not every Hong kong family can achieve that level...]
作者: popolung    時間: 09-3-26 10:58

原帖由 oooray 於 09-3-26 10:51 發表

Thanks for your sharing.
Would you conclude that English Training in your traditional kinda is still not enough to build up a qualified level to get in RC?
I guess it is an important factor for paren ...


Some parents will put their  kids in Int'l Kinder for AM and local kinder for PM, so to learn both good English & Chinese. But I will not recommend to do that (though a lot of similair cases happened) as it is too hard for a 3-4 years old kids. They need fun and sleep more!
作者: oooray    時間: 09-3-26 11:11

原帖由 popolung 於 09-3-26 10:58 發表


Some parents will put their  kids in Int'l Kinder for AM and local kinder for PM, so to learn both good English & Chinese. But I will not recommend to do that (though a lot of similair cases happene ...

I'm one of those "parents". I cannot say it is the best option but as both full time working parents (I guess u are full time mom who can spend a lot of time to train Chinese with your daughter after school) if i didn't do this way, I'm afraid my children's Chinese will be weaker and weaker.
So far my daughter is very happy with her school life in both schools and I do not need to worry after after class activities at all (Mon to Fri are busy at school and Sat and Sun are family days)
作者: popolung    時間: 09-3-26 12:47

原帖由 oooray 於 09-3-26 11:11 發表

I'm one of those "parents". I cannot say it is the best option but as both full time working parents (I guess u are full time mom who can spend a lot of time to train Chinese with your daughter after ...


just can't say whose right or wrong, as diff families may have diff approach. For me I just don't want to sacrifice the kid's sleeping time in kinder only. Also for ESF Y1 interview if she know too much Chinese then in interview may have trouble..... so try to avoid.
作者: almom    時間: 09-3-26 13:12

There is (I think) no written policy (known to outsiders) of which kindergarten or what background they prefer. However, I guess the school would unofficially prefer to take ESF kindergarten children first. Bear in mind that it is a marketing issue as well. If ESF kindergarten kids cannot get into good schools, who would want to go to ESF kindergartens anymore. The present edge of ESF kindergartens is that, their students have priority in going for interviews with ESF schools. So I guess RC and DC would follow suit. Make sense? But of course, such "privilege" is not unconditional. A kid has to meet other criteria the school is looking for as well.

What happened during the past few years would not contribute to a "pattern" of what the school would do in the future because (1) RC is still relatively new and (2) there is now a new ESF kindergarten.

The school has probably now settled with what they want from students. I see that this year (2009 admission), they are no longer keen on taking as many students from local kindergartens. There are in fact a great number of applicants from international kindergartens already. They would probably want to choose from amongst these kids rather.

What I think they want (for studetns from any year level, in fact) is (1) kids with very good English (native or near native level) (2) kids that are out going and not shy (they prefer those that are talkative than to those quiet book worm type).

There qualities are very important for IB curriculum. And unfortunately, local kindergartens do not provide the environment for development of both of these qualities.

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作者: popolung    時間: 09-3-26 13:50

原帖由 almom 於 09-3-26 13:12 發表
There is (I think) no written policy (known to outsiders) of which kindergarten or what background they prefer. However, I guess the school would unofficially prefer to take ESF kindergarten children  ...


Honestly speaking, with priority to interview mean higher chance, especailly if you are in Cat 2. Imagine they can't interview all children that applied, so once if your kids have a chance to interview it will put your kid in a better position. This is how it works. Of course admit or not really depends on your kid English skill, and should be easy for foreigner, but hard for local family. This is why training is important if you are keen for ESF Primary (this secondary) school.
作者: Radiomama    時間: 09-3-26 14:07

rororolee,

My son will be year 1(RC)  and he is now studying in Victoria.

Besides the english proficiency, the IB program of Vic also matches with RC, that's why this year all the applicants from Vic(HMT) get a seat (as I know so far).

If you have not yet decided which stream your kid will enter, St Cat and Vic are good choices.  

原帖由 rororolee 於 09-3-25 22:53 發表
My target is RC, would consider to put my girl in international class from local kinder like St Cat., Victoria...etc to learn some basic Chinese first! then switch back to international stream in prim ...
作者: almom    時間: 09-3-26 14:12

I want to clarify what I said.

I think we are talking about only one of the conditions here. And to scientifically compare, we should presume that all other conditions are similar or same.

With 2 children of similar background, similar English level, similar in everything else etc, the ones being in an ESF kindergarten would definitely mean a better position.

Needless to say, having advantage does not mean a sure win case. We are just discussing about one way to tipping the odds.

Afterall, who knows? May be it was a bad day for the child and everything did not work well as expected. Federer has his bad days too and has lost many times.

[ 本帖最後由 almom 於 09-3-26 14:29 編輯 ]
作者: Wingba    時間: 09-3-26 16:53

Hi oooray,

St. Cat is a very good kinder but the curriculum in English, in my opinion, does not prepare the kids to run for a place in IS. The English curriculum in St. Cat can be better if more time is devoted to
English lesson. That's why we created an English speaking environment for my kid since her infant stage. It helped in getting a place in St. Cat and RC. Another reason may be my kid is out-going and easy to get along with new buddies and I believe IS ususally prefers this kind of kids.

If I have another child I will also follow this pattern as St. Cat helps to lay a firm foundation of Chinese proficiency (in tems of kinder level) for my kid although I am now struggling to continue such standard in the primary level.

Hope it helps in your planning.


原帖由 oooray 於 09-3-26 09:14 發表

Hi Wingba,
Just curious to seek for your comment that do you think St. Catherine itself could provide sufficient English proficiency for your daughter to meet today's RC requirement, or that is mainl ...
作者: oooray    時間: 09-3-26 17:34

原帖由 Wingba 於 09-3-26 16:53 發表
Hi oooray,

St. Cat is a very good kinder but the curriculum in English, in my opinion, does not prepare the kids to run for a place in IS. The English curriculum in St. Cat can be better if more time ...

thanks for your sharing Wingba.
I have already passed that planning stage (I'm in the same stage as u) but just would like to ask for more input from "insiders" to help other parents' planning.
My conclusion is that even if children are studying in St. Catherine/Victoria and other famous kindergarten (non real IS) that are supposed to be "strong" in English (at least in many parents' mind), parents need to take great effort to train up children's english in order to reach a "safety" English level to meet requirement of RC and other IS primary.
作者: kcpapa    時間: 09-3-26 18:44

The competition of RC will be more knee in coming years.  More and more Applicants from IS KG, and even ESF is having a new KG in MOS.  So only Cat 2 students from ESF KG can easily fill up the 150 seats.  The English level of ESF KG is quite high.  They have no homework, but only playing in school.  Playing need more comunication then just sit down and learning like most of the local KG.  So may be the kid cannot read nor write, they can talk.  That is what the interview is focusing - to talk...  

I do not think the local KG like St. Cat is not good, in fact that is a very very good one, but the way of teaching may not really fit the interview of RC.   

In previous year, the reputation of RC is not so good, but RC is getting better and more famous than ever.  The competition is getting more knee.
So RC is having more applicants with higher English level.  We can speak English with our kids, but how much time can you spend to talk to your kids everyday.  If your kid can "live" in English not more, just 3 hours a day in school, just playing and communicating with other kids and teachers, definitely they must have better English level than kids who is having Chinese based schooling
作者: Saturn    時間: 09-3-27 18:31

I agree that kids from ESF KG would of course have priority to get into ESF primary or RC.  But don't be too worried!  We can check with the WKS kinder how many K2 places they are going to offer.

I assume the no. of K2 classes in the new WKS KG would be around 2 am + 2 pm (which would be a max. of 120 kids if there are 30 kids in one class).   These 120 kids would probably be aiming at getting into RC or SJS.  I don't know about SJS but for RC, the school normally opens 6 classes in P1.  That means there will be at least 160 places or up offered in RC.  If RC & SJS share the graduates from WKS KG, there will be more than 50% of the P1 places available for non-WKS graduates to fill in RC.

[ 本帖最後由 Saturn 於 09-3-27 18:33 編輯 ]
作者: Santa_Maria    時間: 09-3-28 20:24

May I know the interview detail for Year 2?

My kid will be attend the Year 2 interview.

He come from international stream kindergarten and no difficulit to speak English and without fear due to show and tell and reading programe since K2. His teacher is foreigner, day to day pratice for English speaking can handle. He was attended few DSS school interview and already got the offer, but RC just the only one internatiuonal school for me to select. Any advice for the interview?

Thanks for advise.

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作者: oooray    時間: 09-3-28 21:03

原帖由 Santa_Maria 於 09-3-28 20:24 發表
May I know the interview detail for Year 2?

My kid will be attend the Year 2 interview.

He come from international stream kindergarten and no difficulit to speak English and without fear due to show ...

i have no idea about that (my kid only attended Year 1 interview only)bu may check some information from ESF website regarding language requirement for Year2 admission. Although RC is a PIS (different from ESF primary), I believe their requirement are more or less the same.
For your case, i don't think you need to worry too much because teachers there are well experienced to assess applicant's English level through the interview.
作者: Santa_Maria    時間: 09-3-28 22:43

原帖由 oooray 於 09-3-28 21:03 發表

i have no idea about that (my kid only attended Year 1 interview only)bu may check some information from ESF website regarding language requirement for Year2 admission. Although RC is a PIS (differen ...



Many thanks to your advise. May I know more about the RC?
How about the workload for the student?
How many exam per year?

My kid just have the continue asscessment since K2, I 'm worry about that he can familiar the "exam" format in Primary School.

Once again, many thanks for the advise.
作者: oooray    時間: 09-3-28 23:00

原帖由 Santa_Maria 於 09-3-28 22:43 發表



Many thanks to your advise. May I know more about the RC?
How about the workload for the student?
How many exam per year?

My kid just have the continue asscessment since K2, I 'm worry about that  ...

sorry not providing more info as my daughter has not joined the school. maybe other parents can help or u can search other threads in this forum. quite a lot of discussion about RC here.
Enjoy!
作者: Santa_Maria    時間: 09-3-28 23:42

原帖由 oooray 於 09-3-28 23:00 發表

sorry not providing more info as my daughter has not joined the school. maybe other parents can help or u can search other threads in this forum. quite a lot of discussion about RC here.
Enjoy!


Many thanks.
作者: rororolee    時間: 09-3-29 06:22

Dear parents,

Thanks so much for your valuable opinions and suggestions. my girl in going to nursery in this coming Aug, I'll put her in a "real" int. school for that. still thinking whether I should put her in ESF kinder, ICS kinder or just what I told before like St cat., Victoria...etc....It seems to me that there are only a few RC students came from local kinder, most of them are from int. one.

To be honest, I'm a pretty greedy mom, wanna my girl could talk like native English and could handling well in cantonese. As said by friends, their kids were studying int. kinder and now in int. primary, the problem is they really lack of interest to learn Cantonese.........
作者: birdbird    時間: 09-3-29 07:58

their kids were studying int. kinder and now in int. primary, the problem is they really lack of interest to learn Cantonese.........


from my experience, if parents talk to the children in cantonese, the children can pick up the spoken part. however, the children are not as good as students of local schools in reading Chinese.
作者: barque    時間: 09-3-29 20:57

Wingba,

   Please check PM
作者: popolung    時間: 09-3-30 00:58

原帖由 birdbird 於 09-3-29 07:58 發表


from my experience, if parents talk to the children in cantonese, the children can pick up the spoken part. however, the children are not as good as students of local schools in reading Chinese.


This is what we call 文盲 : , like my kid's Chinese before her interview in ESF primary school. Now we started to teach her Chinese character, will take some times though....
作者: Wingba    時間: 09-3-30 10:05

Dear Barque,

Pls check PM

Wingba

原帖由 barque 於 09-3-29 20:57 發表
Wingba,

   Please check PM
作者: danielboy    時間: 09-3-30 10:37

我囝囝year 2, 也來自St. Catherine's, 同級也有幾個St. Catherine's 女孩子, 另有不少來自local kinder的小朋友,Keen Mind, HK Preschool, Victoria, 崇真........etc 但因IS的demand越來越大,又開多了一間ESF kinder in Ma On Shan,都foresee到會越來越困難,4-5年前,SJS, BHS & KJS都年年有收SC學生,近年我只知一個successful case in BHS.

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作者: popolung    時間: 09-3-30 11:05

原帖由 danielboy 於 09-3-30 10:37 發表
我囝囝year 2, 也來自St. Catherine's, 同級也有幾個St. Catherine's 女孩子, 另有不少來自local kinder的小朋友,Keen Mind, HK Preschool, Victoria, 崇真........etc 但因IS的demand越來越大,又開多了一間ESF kind ...


I guess in the coming years the keen competition will move from ESF Primary school, to ESF kinder... fast your seat belt.
作者: almom    時間: 09-3-30 13:43

I still maintain that being with an ESF kindergarten would be advantageous.
RC is already the least competitive schools amongst all ESF schools, but still we are talking about 300+ applicants for 150 seats.
Of course there is no guarantee because admission also depend on the actual performance of a child at the interview.
However, I am sure what parents want to know is any way that can tip the odds.
Like I said, there is no written policy for RC to take ESF kindy kids first. But I do think ESF kindy kids unofficially would stand a better chance.
Having said that, it has been commented by some ESF kindy parents that ESF kindies are not exactly better than other English speaking kindies.
作者: popolung    時間: 09-3-30 13:59

原帖由 almom 於 09-3-30 13:43 發表
I still maintain that being with an ESF kindergarten would be advantageous.
RC is already the least competitive schools amongst all ESF schools, but still we are talking about 300+ applicants for 150  ...


Yes, it is true. But think. Both ESF Kinders and DC / RC are all Priavte schools operated by ESF. So if ESF kinders has not much preference that other kinder, then their competitiveness will decrease. If you are the boss of both ESF Kinders & ESF PIS (don't even count normal ESF School with Gov't Subsidy), will you let this happen?
作者: bigbighei    時間: 09-3-31 13:19

My son will be in Y1(RC), he is in KM (int'l class) now!

I let him join all the after school actitive offer fm esf (english program, swimming,sports program) in order to keep him in the fluent English environment! my case that is work for my son.
作者: oooray    時間: 09-3-31 14:15

原帖由 bigbighei 於 09-3-31 13:19 發表
My son will be in Y1(RC), he is in KM (int'l class) now!

I let him join all the after school actitive offer fm esf (english program, swimming,sports program) in order to keep him in the fluent Engli ...

I attempt to wrap up what parents contribute:
1. This year, quite a number of children from local kinder (or local kinder's int'l class) admitted by RC;
2. I assume the rest of majority in RC are from IS kinder (otherwise where do they go...whereas ESF primary is so keen);
3. Parents from local kindergarten shared that they do have extra classes/activities to improve English standard for their children;
4. RC has no preference for interview to ESF kinda applicants this year (nobody said applying RC without granting an interview);
5. After interview: amongst broadliner, does the status of "ESF kinda students" has any preference? nobody knows (or even all ESF kinda students are within 150 successful applicants from the first round? it is a mystery)
6. In coming years : more applicants for RC is anticipated;
7. In coming years, status of "ESF kinda students" will be an advantage for "granting an interview"? Through my experience in applying DC, I 100% believe that;
8. More applicants mean average english skills to fulfill the interview will be higher.
I guess parents need to consider all these facts NOW if they are targeting RC 2 or 3 or 4 years later.
作者: trustee    時間: 09-3-31 23:17

Does anyone know about how many days for the result for interview?????
Thanks!
作者: popolung    時間: 09-4-1 01:12

原帖由 trustee 於 09-3-31 23:17 發表
Does anyone know about how many days for the result for interview?????
Thanks!


you mean how many days to wait for result from RCHK? This year was around 3 weeks, if they admitted your kid in the first round.
作者: popolung    時間: 09-4-1 01:26

See My Comment in Red:

原帖由 oooray 於 09-3-31 14:15 發表
I attempt to wrap up what parents contribute:
1. This year, quite a number of children from local kinder (or local kinder's int'l class) admitted by RC;

P: I think still a lot is from IS Kinder, though the mix of foreigner kid vs Chinese (even Cat 1) should be lower in RC than other ESF (with exception from QBS), while DC may be higher.

2. I assume the rest of majority in RC are from IS kinder (otherwise where do they go...whereas ESF primary is so keen);

P: As 1.

3. Parents from local kindergarten shared that they do have extra classes/activities to improve English standard for their children;

P: Need to train up until the kid can speak native english, which is hard if the major studying time is in local kinder, but may not be impossible. Of course the best is still transfered to IS Kinder, and for interview priority, to ESF Kinder.

4. RC has no preference for interview to ESF kinda applicants this year (nobody said applying RC without granting an interview);

P: But I "guess" ESF kinder do have priority in admission, but "who" knows. I do see ESF kids failed in RC interview too.

5. After interview: amongst broadliner, does the status of "ESF kinda students" has any preference? nobody knows (or even all ESF kinda students are within 150 successful applicants from the first round? it is a mystery)

P: I think RC interview all 350 applicants for 150 seats so this is why their interview start much earlier than other ESF which only interview 130 - 140 out of 120 seats or so. As told earlier not all ESF Kinder kids got admitted.

6. In coming years : more applicants for RC is anticipated;

P: Yes, as RCHK standard is getting better and better. And also ESF kinder too, I mean competition.

7. In coming years, status of "ESF kinda students" will be an advantage for "granting an interview"? Through my experience in applying DC, I 100% believe that;

P: I agree too. Or if parents dont beleive, but they love their kids to go ESF primary school, they can take their own risk....

8. More applicants mean average english skills to fulfill the interview will be higher.

P: Again, I think it is normal for ESF to take native English Speaking kids as this is their original goal, so for Chinese Kids i don't think we will have any exception, or don't expect there is any.

I guess parents need to consider all these facts NOW if they are targeting RC 2 or 3 or 4 years later.
作者: popolung    時間: 09-4-1 11:11

原帖由 carmenyukaman 於 09-4-1 10:48 發表
My son will soon switch from a local kinder to an international 1, I wonder if he's able to catch up in a short time so he may be able to pass the interview.


Don't only rely on the kinder. Soaked him in complete English environment (I even tell people that you need a helper that can speak Eng but not Cantonese), watch Eng TV & DVD ALL the time (including what you are watching except your son has slept), speak to him all time in Eng, go to more Eng playgroup, read him more Eng story books, etc. That will help. You need to sacrifice in order to get a chance.
作者: rororolee    時間: 09-4-2 00:16

原帖由 popolung 於 09-4-1 11:11 發表


Don't only rely on the kinder. Soaked him in complete English environment (I even tell people that you need a helper that can speak Eng but not Cantonese), watch Eng TV & DVD ALL the time (including ...


what if the parents are not talking native English? for most of the parents in HK like us, English ability is so far so good, fluent.....but just not that native one~ even we keep talking to our kids in English all the time, just they couldn't learn such native english from us~I've put her in English playgroup, English DVD, English speaking helper and keep talking to her in English most of the time. what else should I do so as to facilitate her english development??
作者: oooray    時間: 09-4-2 00:33

原帖由 popolung 於 09-4-1 01:26 發表
See My Comment in Red:


Thanks for your comment.
Yes. I am amazed that quite a lot of parents would like their children to go to ESF primary or RC but doesn't do enough homework to study the rules before playing this game. Simple go to ESF website and read it carefully and the answer is already there.
If someone is asking which school is better, 100 parents will have 100 different answers.
If someone is asking which school has a higher chance for granting an interview from ESF primary, the answer is already in ESF website.
Some parents say "School A has a high hit rate to ESF primary in the past history"
Even some schools state "most of their children go to ESF primary in the past history"
Reasons behind:
A. Many children are from Cat. 1 families-inherit factor;
B. Children are trained to achieve very high English standard;
As a Cat. 2 applicant, will u benefit from studying in school A?
Definitely, your english proficiency can meet the requirement for ESF Year 1 requirement (easy job), BUT...will u have a higher chance for granting an interview from ESF primary?   
Of course, not studying in ESF kinda doesn't mean that u are out...u are just queuing at the end of the queue...be patient...
作者: popolung    時間: 09-4-2 09:12

原帖由 rororolee 於 09-4-2 00:16 發表


what if the parents are not talking native English? for most of the parents in HK like us, English ability is so far so good, fluent.....but just not that native one~ even we keep talking to our kid ...


Try your best. Search for any English opportunity that you can "enjoy" with your kid. Don't give him pressure, and then from now on, good luck!

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作者: popolung    時間: 09-4-2 09:17

原帖由 oooray 於 09-4-2 00:33 發表

Thanks for your comment.
Yes. I am amazed that quite a lot of parents would like their children to go to ESF primary or RC but doesn't do enough homework to study the rules before playing this game.  ...


It happens, and especially in HK as most like to eat "quick lunch" only. Anyway, I enjoy helping others while others like you are helping me too. Then we benefit mutually, why not? Enjoy BK!
作者: trustee    時間: 09-4-2 16:14     標題: late application?????

May I know the late application for Year 2 in this period so difficult to enter???
We entered the form and interview by Ms EXXns, but unacceptable. I really don't understood why???because my girl is studying another international school.
I'm afraid that they only interview many applicants but the actual is not any vancacy yet!!!!!!!
By the school regulation, we can re-enter after 6 months later!
Is this so difficult late application and interview?????
原帖由 popolung 於 09-4-1 01:12 發表


you mean how many days to wait for result from RCHK? This year was around 3 weeks, if they admitted your kid in the first round.
作者: popolung    時間: 09-4-2 16:22

原帖由 trustee 於 09-4-2 16:14 發表
May I know the late application for Year 2 in this period so difficult to enter???
We entered the form and interview by Ms EXXns, but unacceptable. I really don't understood why???because my girl is s ...


Divide into 2 parts

1. Late application already make you an disadvantage, as if you are keen for ESF, you should apply on time. This give them a bad impression already although you may have your own reason behind.

2. When they give you a chance for interview, it already mean they don't consider about the late application I believed as they can simply declined your applications. Then afterward they failed your kid simply because of his interview result. The higher the grade is, the more they want for English Skill. For Year 2 please refer to this:

http://www.esf.edu.hk/index.aspx?langno=1&nodeID=1051

Year Two RequirementIn addition to Year One requirement, children seeking entry to Year Two should:-
(Oral Interaction)
Reading and Responding
Entrants to Year Two will also be expected to:-
Some children will be able to read familiar and some unfamiliar texts using knowledge of English sounds/symbol relationships and knowledge of basic punctuation
Writing:-

I have friend's kid that try to get into BHS since Y3 and failed in 5-6 years even his sister was studied in SC. Finally he got in RC last year. So interview in ESF is not purely luck.
作者: trustee    時間: 09-4-2 16:47

Thanks for your information and Firstly , I enter the form  to BHS since YEAR 1 on June (Late time). Then the admission staff advice me, I can try to enter the application to RC at same time.
So, I enter the application to RC in Late  Interview around Nov. (Year 1) -----result: Disappointed
Then I saw the newspaper had limited places , I try again YR 2! Then, Disappointed!
Any comment ! My kid is study in inter'l school right now! But I like ESF is Modern and UK syaballus more than Canadian, USA style...
I read the interview details and all the questions. But why cannot successful?????Perhaps they didn't like late interview or other international system????

原帖由 popolung 於 09-4-2 16:22 發表


Divide into 2 parts

1. Late application already make you an disadvantage, as if you are keen for ESF, you should apply on time. This give them a bad impression already although you may have your ow ...
作者: almom    時間: 09-4-2 17:38

原帖由 trustee 於 09-4-2 16:47 發表
Thanks for your information and Firstly , I enter the form  to BHS since YEAR 1 on June (Late time). Then the admission staff advice me, I can try to enter the application to RC at same time.
So, I en ...


I think the outcomes of application to any school would be either successful or not successful.

For RC, there are 300+ applicants for 150 seats for year one. For other year levels I do not know. Competition in other ESF primary schools could possibly be even more keen.

No one have the privilege to know exactly what they are looking for. Even school teachers would not know unless they are in the team responsible for interviewing applicants. And I am sure the "team" are not allowed to reveal the details to us.

If your application was not successful, then it was not successful. No school would admit students not up to their requirements just to fill up the places. Even now, there are still vacancies in almost all year levels at RC but it does not mean that the school has to take anyone. A student has to meet certain criteria to get admission. I guess we should not speculate the reason why your child failed the interview. Like I said, I do not have the privilege to know more, but I am sure they would not mind late applications and they would not mind students from other curriculum.  I know people that come to RC in the middle of the year, and they can be from any curriculum (US, Australian, etc)

I know that the school would most willing to tell parents why their application failed. Most of the time, it should be stated in the rejection letter, but if they did not, call them up and ask.
作者: popolung    時間: 09-4-2 18:48

原帖由 trustee 於 09-4-2 16:47 發表
Thanks for your information and Firstly , I enter the form  to BHS since YEAR 1 on June (Late time). Then the admission staff advice me, I can try to enter the application to RC at same time.
So, I en ...


My gut feeling (only) is, it may not be about the English Skill of your kid (since you said he is in IS anyway), but about his social skill, especially to stranger in a strange environment, like in the interview. Some kid is very cheerful and may be welcome by accessor. Some speak good english but atitude is bad, so accessor has sole discretion to fail it.

I am not the accessor so I don't know why, but as ALMON said RC should state a reason on the letter of rejection. Otherwise go call them and find out. And to be honest, social skill can't be learnt only from school, but also from parents. So you may have to find an innovative way to change the behaviour of your kid dramatically, if my guess is correct. There are classes which also train up EQ of the kid. Anyway just my best guess, and good luck.
作者: trustee    時間: 09-4-3 12:11

On that day, the interviewer was not one by one to interview with her. (the baby girl and two parents (Teacher)in interview room to visit.....)
My kid said she was play with other teacher's baby girl in the interview room so funny.
So my kid felt not so good/ bothering.Becasue my kid didn't know how to play with the baby and handle it on same time????
Maybe my kid is not the excellent one or so clam...

原帖由 popolung 於 09-4-2 18:48 發表


My gut feeling (only) is, it may not be about the English Skill of your kid (since you said he is in IS anyway), but about his social skill, especially to stranger in a strange environment, like in  ...

[ 本帖最後由 trustee 於 09-4-3 12:25 編輯 ]
作者: popolung    時間: 09-4-3 15:40

原帖由 trustee 於 09-4-3 12:11 發表
On that day, the interviewer was not one by one to interview with her. (the baby girl and two parents (Teacher)in interview room to visit.....)
My kid said she was play with other teacher's baby girl  ...


I think don't bother the old result, and if you are still keen on ESF, try focus on the weakness of what you think your kid is, may be English Skill, may be social skill, may be he is afraid in strange environment, may be he didn't talk to stranger, etc. Then see how you can solve it. Parents are the only one who can help your kid to get via this, I think it doesn't matter whether it is ESF interview or daily life.
作者: almom    時間: 09-4-4 12:34

原帖由 trustee 於 09-4-3 12:11 發表
On that day, the interviewer was not one by one to interview with her. (the baby girl and two parents (Teacher)in interview room to visit.....)
My kid said she was play with other teacher's baby girl  ...



Interviews are stressful tasks.
And in view of the fact that there are so many applications to RC this year, there sure would be a lot of unhappy parents.

Did they specify why your child was rejected?
If not have you, like I suggested, called and asked for details?

I think it is not fair to speculate further.

[ 本帖最後由 almom 於 09-4-4 12:37 編輯 ]
作者: KaKaYa    時間: 09-4-7 00:53

Most of people to said this school is more vacancy than other ESF schools in Past Year.
After the principle to shrink the applicant. Maybe this moment is not quite easy to entry.

[ 本帖最後由 KaKaYa 於 09-4-7 01:03 編輯 ]
作者: popolung    時間: 09-4-7 01:10

原帖由 KaKaYa 於 09-4-7 00:53 發表
Most of people to said this school is more vacancy than other ESF schools in Past Year.
After the principle to shrink the applicant. Maybe this moment is not quite easy to entry.


Competition for this year is very keen, so all ESF Y1 seats are very tight.
作者: almom    時間: 09-4-7 14:41

原帖由 KaKaYa 於 09-4-7 00:53 發表
Most of people to said this school is more vacancy than other ESF schools in Past Year.
After the principle to shrink the applicant. Maybe this moment is not quite easy to entry.


RC has more vacancy because it was a new school and it is a big school. In fact, RC still has lots of vacancies for various year levels. For those who are interested, call the school up for information. Unfortunately, although there are vacancies, it does not mean that the school need to take anyone who submit the form. There are still admissiont criteria that an applicant has to meet.

The school never "shrink the applicant" to make it sound like they have few vacancies. In fact, throughout the school year, students come and go. The school has been advertising on the website regarding vacancies so obviously the school did not "shrink the applicant" like you said.

Further, I do not think RC need people to "queue" up to make it sound like a good school. Whether there are 10 applicants or 2000 applicants, it is the same school and the same teachers. It is the school itself and the people itself that matters.

[ 本帖最後由 almom 於 09-4-7 15:44 編輯 ]



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