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作者: AugSun    時間: 09-11-14 10:57     標題: 高主教 vs St. Clares

高主教 vs St. Clares
My daughter is a girl, how do you choose?  which is is better?
Thanks
作者: EDEL    時間: 09-11-14 11:20

1) which one is closer to your home? for a small girl (only 6 when going to P1), it is tired to go a long way everyday.

2) if both are not far from your place, I will select St. Clares.

Of course, you may need to consider the personality of your girl - Some may not like to play with the boys that St. Clares is the best option. But some are "easy going" & that is good to stay in a school with boys - Ramondi seems to be fine.  




原帖由 AugSun 於 09-11-14 10:57 發表
高主教 vs St. Clares
My daughter is a girl, how do you choose?  which is is better?
Thanks

作者: cmchang0927    時間: 09-11-14 12:36

1. My girl's classmate is studying in St. Clare, and she is a polite and hard working girl.
2. However, for my case (I got the offer from Raimondi and is going to have St Clare's interview on 21st), I may still choose Raimondi at the end if my girl can luckily get the offer from St. Clare
3.  My consideration is:  she has a brother, Wan chai is nearer and it's a co edu school
4. Co edu may be is a better growing up environment since the society we are living in are boys and girls together........

These are just for my case, so may be u need to think abt yr case to choose as well, both are gd schools
作者: YauYingMummy    時間: 09-11-14 19:57

I share your feeling about St. Clare and I actually like my girl studying in girl school..... BUT just got a new little brother this year, he has nearly no marks and given the high born rate, shall I select Raimondi?
作者: fsforth    時間: 09-11-14 21:16

你打算比你個女升讀RC中學部嗎?
作者: cmchang0927    時間: 09-11-14 22:26

I know a mom has an elder son studying P.2 in RC.  His younger son got the acceptance from RC and is going to study there next yr.   She told me that it's a high chance to get into RC if u ve brother and sister studying there............

I didn't put it into high priority before I have done all this P.1 admission thing this yr!  It's a torturing process!  I have applied 9 schools for my girl and everywhere is hard to get a seat cos' most schools are at least 10 kids competing for one seat!!!!  I think 2 yrs after will be a disaster since the birth rate is high.............

This is why I need to choose a school that need to consider the little brother as well......... I don't wanna to go through this all again.........

原帖由 YauYingMummy 於 09-11-14 19:57 發表
I share your feeling about St. Clare and I actually like my girl studying in girl school..... BUT just got a new little brother this year, he has nearly no marks and given the high born rate, shall I  ...

作者: ononprincess    時間: 09-11-15 10:39

原帖由 cmchang0927 於 09-11-14 22:26 發表
I know a mom has an elder son studying P.2 in RC.  His younger son got the acceptance from RC and is going to study there next yr.   She told me that it's a high chance to get into RC if u ve brother  ...


分析得好合理, 好同意. 一兩年後, 競爭會更激烈.
作者: YauYingMummy    時間: 09-11-15 21:31

If RC's level is better than st. clare, I believe my girl can have more secondary school choice....
作者: AugSun    時間: 09-11-15 22:50

YauYingMummy
Why you think RC's level is better than St. Clare.

I have got a little son too. My daughter is now studying in St. Clare.  I also got acceptance in RC.

For me, I think RC starts to teach Mandarin in P1 and St. Clare is not.  St.  Clare English is strong.  They have french too but not compulsory.  RC's Maths and General Studies are partially in English and Cantonese.  I am not sure what is in English in St Clare - that I will have to find out more.  RC just starts to have girls recently.  

For me, RC's secondary school is closer than St. Clare's secondary school.  Location RC won.  I agree that in the future, the competition is higher due to high birth rate.

However, I think RC is not difficult to get a seat.  I saw a lot of boys prefer St. Pauls boy than RC.  I don't know why? If people are accepted by both schools, is it worth to go to RC because of a little brother?  Or people really thinsk RC is better than St. Clare.  Anybody got any supporting reasons or points?

Thanks


原帖由 YauYingMummy 於 09-11-15 21:31 發表
If RC's level is better than st. clare, I believe my girl can have more secondary school choice....

作者: YauYingMummy    時間: 09-11-16 17:09

In the old days, I think St. Clares is my first choice for my daughter as I like my girl studying in girl school and St. Clare's academic result is quite stable.  With the new baby this year, I need to think about co-edu because it will be very difficult to get a seat for my son five years later!

Girl section in RC is so new and I want more information, especially RC's academic level,  before sending my girl to RC.
作者: AugSun    時間: 09-11-16 18:18

Can anybody share your view for the academic studies in St. Clare and RC?

原帖由 YauYingMummy 於 09-11-16 17:09 發表
In the old days, I think St. Clares is my first choice for my daughter as I like my girl studying in girl school and St. Clare's academic result is quite stable.  With the new baby this year, I need t ...

作者: aa120520    時間: 09-11-16 18:36

原帖由 AugSun 於 09-11-16 18:18 發表
Can anybody share your view for the academic studies in St. Clare and RC?


For girl I will choose St Clare. As my sister study here before. Although many years ago, I have 3 sister study in different girl school. True light, St Clare & St Stephen. Over St Clare near the best.
作者: lukv    時間: 09-11-16 19:29

I would say it is acceptable in general. See this link to download school profile for their secondary public exam result http://www.raimondi.edu.hk/new/admission.

In primary school, the top 20% will sometimes go to QC, KC, SP, DB etc and of course there are bottom 20% who cannot go back to secondary school. I think this happened to every school.

They start mandarin in P1. General Studies and Mathematics will start in Chinese first and then use in English for the rest of the year.
作者: AugSun    時間: 09-11-16 22:08

I also love St. Clare so much.  I agree that St. Clare's English is the best in compare with True Light and St. Stephen girl.  However, I just think RC recently has usedtheir heart for teaching?  From their website, it seems they are changing.  I have got a little son and I quite worried about the birth rate is very high for 2007 and it might be difficult to get a seat.

And I just see St. Clare has their number of girls lesser in recent years?  you can see from EDB that they have quite a lot of girl in P5 & P6 but not in P1 and P2, they only accept 2 classes around 60 for P1?  

I am not sure.  It is hard to make the choice.  But I do see People prefer St. Pauls boys rather than RC?

So...... at this moment, I might still vote St. Clare.  Any other opinions?

原帖由 lukv 於 09-11-16 19:29 發表
I would say it is acceptable in general. See this link to download school profile for their secondary public exam result http://www.raimondi.edu.hk/new/admission.

In primary school, the top 20% will  ...

作者: AugSun    時間: 09-11-19 14:20

Any ideas, what will you choose?


原帖由 AugSun 於 09-11-16 22:08 發表
I also love St. Clare so much.  I agree that St. Clare's English is the best in compare with True Light and St. Stephen girl.  However, I just think RC recently has usedtheir heart for teaching?  From ...

作者: AugSun    時間: 09-11-24 00:27

Anybody has an idea?

Thanks

原帖由 AugSun 於 09-11-19 14:20 發表
Any ideas, what will you choose?

作者: boying    時間: 09-11-24 09:47

原帖由 AugSun 於 09-11-16 22:08 發表
I also love St. Clare so much.  I agree that St. Clare's English is the best in compare with True Light and St. Stephen girl.  However, I just think RC recently has usedtheir heart for teaching?  From ...

St Clare's 去年度 P5 P6仍是半日舊制班數較多(上下午), P1-P4是全日制各2班。今年剩下P6為半日制, P1-P5全日制。
作者: fairparent    時間: 09-11-25 00:19

St Clares without doubt, teachers are caring
English level v high and 2nd school
is good, silent achievers, and a few go on to DGS etc,. ex Gov Leung Oi Si Elsie, Yip Lai yee, Li Wai Mun the singers are alumni.

Raimondi is Catholic and not sure about their achievements, Yuen Siu Cheung the fat TVB guy is an alumni.

St Clare's had sacked their K principal, i wonder if they got a new one yet.


原帖由 boying 於 09-11-24 09:47 發表

St Clare's 去年度 P5 P6仍是半日舊制班數較多(上下午), P1-P4是全日制各2班。今年剩下P6為半日制, P1-P5全日制。

作者: AugSun    時間: 09-11-26 12:57

Thanks

Will take some time to see the new principal is good or not.  I give up Raimondi's registration today.



原帖由 fairparent 於 09-11-25 00:19 發表
St Clares without doubt, teachers are caring
English level v high and 2nd school
is good, silent achievers, and a few go on to DGS etc,. ex Gov Leung Oi Si Elsie, Yip Lai yee, Li Wai Mun the singers a ...

作者: YauYingMummy    時間: 09-11-26 14:26

why u give up RC?  I've done the registration today and looking for more comparison between RC and st. clares.
作者: aa120520    時間: 09-11-26 16:08

原帖由 YauYingMummy 於 09-11-26 14:26 發表
why u give up RC?  I've done the registration today and looking for more comparison between RC and st. clares.


Still thinking? Don't think so long as it will make more complicated......due to so many different idea.
作者: chunchunchu    時間: 09-11-26 17:13

原帖由 fairparent 於 09-11-25 00:19 發表
St Clares without doubt, teachers are caring
English level v high and 2nd school
is good, silent achievers, and a few go on to DGS etc,. ex Gov Leung Oi Si Elsie, Yip Lai yee, Li Wai Mun the singers a ...


高主教一個唐英年都夠照,重有張永霖

校友

鄭耀棠, 香港政治人物,香港特區政府行政會議非官守成員

王永平, 前香港特區政府工商及科技局局長

卓永興, 香港特區政府食物環境衞生署副署長

趙志成, 博士, 香港中文大學教育學院

張永霖, 香港大學校董會成員及香港中文大學的兼任教授

Edmond Tsang, 名作曲家

詹德隆, 作者

陳浩民, 資深演員

阮兆祥, 資深演員

歐錦棠, 資深演員

梁天偉, 資深傳媒工作者

唐英年, 財政司司長

石禮謙, 立法會議員(地產及建造界)

馮載祥, 立法會秘書長

麥靖宇, 行政長官私人秘書
作者: AugSun    時間: 09-11-26 18:26

In term of English standard, I think St. Clare is higher than RC.  Just personal opinion.  I would love my daughter to grow up like a lady.  I think my daugthter is too active in a co-ed school.  I know a lot of good comments for RC.  Even though I read a lot of resources.  When I mention RC to St. Clare, nearly everybody told me to choose St. Clare.  In comparing to RC, St. Clare is absolutely a best choice for girls.  And some of my friend's daughter also got 23 marks in HKCEE last year.  As somebody said previous, St. Clare girls grown up silently to acheive high level of results.  

By the way, I am still waiting for the 2nd interview result for a wellknown girls school.  Of course, I hope my daughter be the part of that family.  

I got a little brother too.  After my daughter, I will try my best for my son.

God Bless.

原帖由 chunchunchu 於 09-11-26 17:13 發表


高主教一個唐英年都夠照,重有張永霖

校友

鄭耀棠, 香港政治人物,香港特區政府行政會議非官守成員

王永平, 前香港特區政府工商及科技局局長

卓永興, 香港特區政府食物環境衞生署副署長

趙志成, 博士, 香港中 ...

作者: YauYingMummy    時間: 09-11-26 22:18

Actually, my sister was graduated from st. clares secondary.  In the old days, not many girls can enter into the universities in HK and she was one of the few entering USTHK.

Based on my understanding, st. clares girls are polite and have good manners.  But academic level... not "smart" enough.  That's my concern.  

RC to me is famous school for boys but I'm not sure if this is really better.  Decision making is difficult process but I believe admission to primiary school is critical to my girl!  Therefore, if this decision may benefit my daughter and son, I will try to spend more time.
作者: AugSun    時間: 09-11-26 23:43

I have made my choice at this stage, I have given up RC and chose St. Clare.  Even though I have got  a little son too.  I will fight for my son again.  I don't want to sacrify my daughter because of my son.  My daughter is happy and active girl, she won't feel shy.  If she grow up in St. Clare, I don't believe she is a dum one.  She will be the one like to give commands.......
That's why I like her to grow up like a lady.

Don't look back, as I do think St. Clare is a great school for girls.  And her secondary school is so beautiful and I think it is a good enviroment for study.  Actually, I just want her to go to one of the top 3 universities in Hong Kong.  Of course I will try my best to train her up.

I am sure that is what all moms will do in baby kindom.




原帖由 YauYingMummy 於 09-11-26 22:18 發表
Actually, my sister was graduated from st. clares secondary.  In the old days, not many girls can enter into the universities in HK and she was one of the few entering USTHK.

Based on my understandi ...

作者: boying    時間: 09-11-27 13:53

原帖由 chunchunchu 於 09-11-26 17:13 發表


高主教一個唐英年都夠照,重有張永霖

校友

鄭耀棠, 香港政治人物,香港特區政府行政會議非官守成員

王永平, 前香港特區政府工商及科技局局長

卓永興, 香港特區政府食物環境衞生署副署長

趙志成, 博士, 香港中 ...

名人多,以前公園未禁煙時舊山頂道側的遊樂塲白衫白褲煲煙也不少。
作者: fsforth    時間: 09-11-27 15:09     標題: 回覆 25# AugSun 的文章

RC 屬Band1中, St. Clares 屬Band1尾, 其實差唔多, 個人成績好唔好最後都要靠自己

反而, 我覺得RC都係男多女少, 二選一, 我寧願比我個女入St. Clares, 以前我讀大學時在engineering department 都係男多女少, 女同學一係就比男仔當兄弟, 一係就成為幾個男生追求對象, 女仔升RC中學部要考慮一下呢個問題
作者: bobee    時間: 09-11-27 15:30     標題: 回覆 27# fsforth 的文章

i know many boys (my nieces/nephews, etc) graduated from RC and yes, academic they are good but EQ is not that good.  I think the school concentrates too much on academic and kids couldn't think by themselves.  

As for St. Clares, the principal is from a very famous English school and she is the best best teacher I have ever seen.  She knows how to balance academic and ECA, and not neglecting manners, morale, and personal development.  Girls from there are all-round (but of course academic is not as pushy as those at RC/DGS/SHCC).
作者: AugSun    時間: 09-11-27 22:15

Bobee

Which principal of St. Clare you are talking about?  The new one or the old one.  The new one who just joined this year and her surname is Ms Poon.  Do you mean Ms Poon?

fsforth

I saw that you have chosen St. Stephen, your child is a boy or girl?

Thanks


原帖由 bobee 於 09-11-27 15:30 發表
i know many boys (my nieces/nephews, etc) graduated from RC and yes, academic they are good but EQ is not that good.  I think the school concentrates too much on academic and kids couldn't think by th ...

作者: YauYingMummy    時間: 09-11-27 22:56

Hesitation on st. clares also because of the uncertainty!  Style of the new principal is so different from the old one....  Any advice from Bobee?
作者: fsforth    時間: 09-11-28 20:10

原帖由 AugSun 於 09-11-27 22:15 發表
Bobee

Which principal of St. Clare you are talking about?  The new one or the old one.  The new one who just joined this year and her surname is Ms Poon.  Do you mean Ms Poon?

fsforth

I saw that yo ...


係仔來既...

我看過有人post過中西區HKCEE成績, 6科14分的percentage來說, RC大約60%, St. Clares 大約50%
http://forum.edu-kingdom.com/viewthread.php?tid=2150318&extra=page%3D1

我也有check 過其他學校, 大坑真光是59%, 英華大約是70%, 而香港最top 個幾間我估有90%以上...

RC 跟 St. Clares 相差不過10%, 年年學生質素都不同, 所以, 幾個%分別其實不大, 講完數字就睇下實際學習環境和學校校舍, 二選一, 女仔讀St. Clares就比較好, 至少不用再煩升中既問題
作者: AugSun    時間: 09-11-28 21:45

Hi fsforth

How about SSCPS in Stanley?

You have registered there.  Are you waiting for the result of DBS?  Also, are you talking about Ying Wah in Kowloon side?

Thanks

原帖由 fsforth 於 09-11-28 20:10 發表


係仔來既...

我看過有人post過中西區HKCEE成績, 6科14分的percentage來說, RC大約60%, St. Clares 大約50%
http://forum.edu-kingdom.com/viewthread.php?tid=2150318&extra=page%3D1

我也有check 過其他學校,  ...

作者: fsforth    時間: 09-11-28 23:19     標題: 回覆 32# AugSun 的文章

好似開始有些離題...

我說的英華就是九龍個間, 有report 係web site:
http://www.yingwa.edu.hk/upload/report/0708report.doc
作者: belle    時間: 09-11-29 15:18

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作者: norakyng    時間: 09-11-29 16:21

原帖由 belle 於 09-11-29 15:18 發表
The following is the report of Riamondi.  Last year (08-09), 74.3% of students got 14 points or above.


http://www.raimondi.edu.hk/new/document/School_Report_2008_-_2009.pdf


2008 is 61.5% , for 2009 up to 74.3% of students
got 14 points or above.  It seems RC academic is
growing up..
作者: AugSun    時間: 09-11-29 22:36

Don't forget RC has about 208 in P1 and St. Clare will get less.  As they are full day now and only got 45 students in P1.

% might change

原帖由 norakyng 於 09-11-29 16:21 發表

2008 is 61.5% , for 2009 up to 74.3% of students
got 14 points or above.  It seems RC academic is
growing up..

作者: waiwaibaba    時間: 09-11-30 12:13

原帖由 AugSun 於 09-11-29 22:36 發表
Don't forget RC has about 208 in P1 and St. Clare will get less.  As they are full day now and only got 45 students in P1.

% might change



Being a private school, are U concerned of the fact that the no of students in St. Clare dropped from 150 at P.6 to about 50 at P.1 will hinder its future development for lacks of fundings and resources?
作者: AugSun    時間: 09-11-30 14:27

Yes, I do, I did think about it and everybody comfort me saying that St. Clare is a Catholic school and their secondary school still there.  They won't be closed.  I will find out more in this weekend picnic when talking to the kindergarten teachers.

原帖由 waiwaibaba 於 09-11-30 12:13 發表


Being a private school, are U concerned of the fact that the no of students in St. Clare dropped from 150 at P.6 to about 50 at P.1 will hinder its future development for lacks of fundings and resou ...

作者: 貝太    時間: 09-11-30 18:34

seems that you have decided to choose st. clare for your daughter, so, it is nonsense to keep stating that st. clare is better than raimondi, rite?  

原帖由 AugSun 於 09-11-29 22:36 發表
Don't forget RC has about 208 in P1 and St. Clare will get less.  As they are full day now and only got 45 students in P1.

% might change

作者: AugSun    時間: 09-11-30 22:19

This post here was for people to have any ideas for St. Clare and RC.  I didn't made my decision before 26th Nov.  However, I have made up my mind and didn't register at RC because I do think St. Clare is better than RC for girls.  This is my opinion.  And that is not nonsense for talking in my post.  This is a free world, people can talk whatever we like.  If you don't want people to say something that you don't want to hear, then don't join!:;pppp:
By the way, I didn't say RC is not a good schools, I do say it is a good school for boys.  If you are not happy, why don't you go to another post like "people saying that St. Paul boys is better than RC, etc".  I don't know why you come here any bull shit here?


原帖由 貝太 於 09-11-30 18:34 發表
seems that you have decided to choose st. clare for your daughter, so, it is nonsense to keep stating that st. clare is better than raimondi, rite?  

作者: YauYingMummy    時間: 09-11-30 22:27

The discussion here is really helpful to us as more information can be shared.  Being a mother is not easy this day!  Every school has pros and cons and to me ..... more comparison will enhance me getting a right decision.  Thanks a lot for all your inputs!

Anyway, I'm still waiting for June (although not joining lucky draw because of RC and st. clares), the chance of getting 12-year-free education.
作者: waiwaibaba    時間: 09-12-1 11:58

原帖由 YauYingMummy 於 09-11-30 22:27 發表
The discussion here is really helpful to us as more information can be shared.  Being a mother is not easy this day!  Every school has pros and cons and to me ..... more comparison will enhance me get ...


May I know how to enjoy free education if U don't join the lucky draw? U mean U got a place in the first round? So U are now holding 3 places and defer final decision to June?
作者: YauYingMummy    時間: 09-12-2 22:34

I've got few private school offers on hand but none from the lucky draw.  I cannot join the lucky draw because of the current private shool offers.  

I'll wait until June 2010 to see if there is any spare capacity.... I don't trust lucky draw because I'm not living in a
"good school net work" and the chance to win is rare.  If my girl is bright enough and there is vacancy, I can still find a primary school which is free.....
作者: edea    時間: 09-12-7 23:48

原帖由 AugSun 於 09-11-30 22:19 發表
I don't know why you come here any bull shit here?


請閣下注意用詞, 作為成年人, 我們都應該尊重不同的意見.

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作者: YauYingMummy    時間: 09-12-16 23:45

Hi AugSun, after the school picnic, I've decided to let my girl staying at st. clares..... really difficult to make a decision at the very beginning when there is so many information/advice.

As yauyingmummy, I should find something that suit my child.  I think my girl staying at st. clares will feel happy and comfortable... to me as well.  Little brother is a concert but not now.  Everything is over!  
作者: AugSun    時間: 09-12-23 10:09

Same suituation as you.  Let's see what other magic will be happened!!

原帖由 YauYingMummy 於 09-12-16 23:45 發表
Hi AugSun, after the school picnic, I've decided to let my girl staying at st. clares..... really difficult to make a decision at the very beginning when there is so many information/advice.

As yauyi ...

作者: w_y    時間: 09-12-23 11:01

雖然我都想大女幫弟弟開路, 但我同老公都覺得放個女去 rc, 有少少放羊入虎口的感覺
作者: AugSun    時間: 09-12-23 15:21

As I said before that I didn't register at RC and remain my daughter in SC.  For my younger son, I will try another battle again.

Good luck for all.

原帖由 w_y 於 09-12-23 11:01 發表
雖然我都想大女幫弟弟開路, 但我同老公都覺得放個女去 rc, 有少少放羊入虎口的感覺

作者: fsforth    時間: 09-12-23 15:41

原帖由 w_y 於 09-12-23 11:01 發表
雖然我都想大女幫弟弟開路, 但我同老公都覺得放個女去 rc, 有少少放羊入虎口的感覺


同意!
作者: waiwaibaba    時間: 09-12-23 16:04

原帖由 w_y 於 09-12-23 11:01 發表
雖然我都想大女幫弟弟開路, 但我同老公都覺得放個女去 rc, 有少少放羊入虎口的感覺


Hmm I respect yr view though the metaphor "放羊入虎口" is perhaps exaggerated unless U have concrete evidence / experience to share. Heard that dBS is also considering the acceptance of girls in future. Just wonder if U will risk yr lovely lady "sheep" be bitten by dBS "tigers" if U were given the chance?
作者: w_y    時間: 09-12-23 16:16

首先我好尊重亦好喜歡 rc 呢間學校. 即使 dbs 收女生, 我睇法都係一樣. 而且, 唔係人人一定想要入 dbs, 呢間我眼中絕對係極好的學校, 唔係酸葡萄, 而係我地本身有宗教信仰的考慮而已, 如果唔係, 一早都唔使諗要唔要大女幫弟弟開路入 rc 呢個講法, 唔需要太敏感. rc 果 d 就係男仔, 唔通人地 dbs 果 d 係太監咩.

原帖由 waiwaibaba 於 09-12-23 16:04 發表


Hmm I respect yr view though the metaphor "放羊入虎口" is perhaps exaggerated unless U have concrete evidence / experience to share. Heard that dBS is also considering the acceptance of girls in fut ...

作者: w_y    時間: 09-12-23 16:18

不過咁喎, 如果 st clare's 肯收男仔, 我反而會考慮俾個仔入架喎.
作者: cottontail    時間: 09-12-23 20:24

如果大抽獎唔得, 我都唸住俾個女讀sc, 但我有個仔係九龍讀緊中學, 所以頭痛緊要搬去邊度, 可以就個仔又可以就個囡 , 請問有冇人係住九龍, 但就返sc, 我想問下上車時間。
作者: AugSun    時間: 09-12-24 11:56

Hi, All

I totally agree that RC is absolutely good for boys and St. Clare's is excellent for girls and their English are strong and good manners.

I have a younger son too.  In future, if RC accepts my son in compare to St. Paul boys, I will also have a deep thinking and consideration which one is good for my son.  

So don't be too sensitive for people not choosing RC and choosing St. Clare's.  I do think St. Clare's is an excellent school.  I feel confident of the new principal that she will use her heart to bring St. Clare's into another higher level.  Just give your support to the school you choose and be confident and focus to train your child for their best.

原帖由 cottontail 於 09-12-23 20:24 發表
如果大抽獎唔得, 我都唸住俾個女讀sc, 但我有個仔係九龍讀緊中學, 所以頭痛緊要搬去邊度, 可以就個仔又可以就個囡 , 請問有冇人係住九龍, 但就返sc, 我想問下上車時間。 ...





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