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作者: ikebukuro 時間: 09-12-2 01:05 標題: 最最....差既 ST+ST centre!!!
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作者: rvp 時間: 09-12-2 01:30
what ST centre, dont really know what u mean?
STxx centre??
原帖由 ikebukuro 於 09-12-2 01:05 發表 
I went to this ST centre for doing assessment by a ST. When doing assessment, the ST take some toys out, no demonstrate, no leading, just tell my son to show him how to play & no speech assessment. Si ...
作者: iam 時間: 09-12-2 09:52
唔好咁勞氣先。你知唔知佢係做咩test, 係咪Symbolic Play Test?
如果係做標準化評估，ST講咩，做咩都要跟足規距，事實上這不是training，所以不可有咩guidance比細路架。
你問清楚這是一個咩test先啦!
原帖由 ikebukuro 於 09-12-2 01:05 發表
I went to this ST centre for doing assessment by a ST. When doing assessment, the ST take some toys out, no demonstrate, no leading, just tell my son to show him how to play & no speech assessment. Si ...
作者: ikebukuro 時間: 09-12-2 12:43
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作者: iam 時間: 09-12-2 13:19
你pm我啦，我都想知哪一間。
如果係做標準化評估，不外乎係symbolic play test同埋Reynell等，我問係哪一個test，目的係想問你比的金錢係值唔值，因為ST因為要根據評估的要求來做test，同埋比到你一個分數（理解同表達的年歲），咁你比的錢先值囉。而且若做了標準化評估，起碼要隔大半年才可做同一個test，所以就算你谷氣，都唔好咁快找第二個ST做test囉。
現在市場上對ST好渴求，所以有好多green ST，我建議ｄ媽咪找ST時check check 佢地的資歷，特別是否用做小朋友的經驗，臨床經驗比只是一個學位更重要。
原帖由 ikebukuro 於 09-12-2 12:43 發表
Actually, the purpose for writing this post is: I don't want other mamas will waste their money at this speech therapy centre(it's shame of their behaviour for only commercial purpose, as they will te ...
作者: scholar 時間: 09-12-2 17:57
樓主不用氣.
assessment是這樣的.他們在過程中會給予不同類型的玩具,從旁評估兒童各方面的表現.
其實小朋友不一定要玩過某玩具才懂得玩.他們對事物的認識,有時只憑看就會學懂,只是你沒給他玩過,就不知他已懂.
如:你沒給孩子玩過燙衣,晾衣的玩具,但可能會驚訝在學校的interview時已經會玩.這是他從日常"看"的過程中學會的.
可能當日的評估,令兒表現了他各方面的delay,才會建議一星期5日的intensive course. Intensive course一般都有齊了3t,所以才會有"no need" ST.
不過如你覺得那個ST是no heart,還是再找一個你覺得可信的吧.
作者: lokmanmama 時間: 09-12-2 20:55
我都有過同樣既經歷, 所以我好感受到你所講既"谷氣".你嗰個係唔係香港區嫁? 你不如講個名出黎(或暗示),等其他媽咪唔好再上當.
or send pm 交流下,睇下我地係唔係撞到同一個人!
作者: ikebukuro 時間: 09-12-3 00:46
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作者: ikebukuro 時間: 09-12-3 00:56
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作者: iam 時間: 09-12-3 09:37
是否在YMT？定係在紅磡，銅鑼灣荃灣有分舖的集團？
我聽過YMT佢地以前每個禮拜係有1:1半小時training, PST, OT, ST輪流做，最近係呢度看到話做1:1要額外加$2000，wow, 寧願再出去buy 1:1 啦！
我估可能佢見做完assessment個result來judge卦。或者理解慢三個月，表達慢半年，先叫你唔駛做1:1 ST training.
原帖由 ikebukuro 於 09-12-3 00:56 發表
Thank you for your encouraging. I'm not angry for wasting my money, I'm disappointed of their "earing money method"!!!You told me it should usually have 3T at the intensive course, but I can answer u ...
作者: nokia6300 時間: 09-12-3 10:47
我都想知邊間呢?可 pm我嗎? 因我最近搵緊 training 比仔仔呀
作者: nokia6300 時間: 09-12-3 11:02 標題: 回覆 9# ikebukuro 的文章
hi ikebukuro,
不過講返回頭,其實除左heep hong,間間都有comments係commercial 的,even heep hong 唔講係 commercial,咁hoestly 人地真係 business 黎既,係咪?even hh,都有家長comments 有d trainers 都唔係好夾,所以好難你可以搵到 best of the best 的,唯有去try一try,睇下小朋友返左有冇進步啦!
正如我仔返heep hong既pt,個pt唔係唔好,因阿仔好多時都唔合作,而我地好多時林尾個15mins係傾計,不過佢教好多home training 比我,除此之外,比左好多意見我仔應該返d咩,咩servies 係點點點,對於我一個對所有 special education 都唔知既媽媽來說,呢d真係 extra bonus啦!
加油呀,你仔仲好細,可以追的好快,加油加油呀!
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作者: owl_2046 時間: 09-12-3 11:13
麻煩你PM比我知, 我都幫緊個仔搵ST, $真係唔易賺, 唔想浪費. Thanks!
原帖由 ikebukuro 於 09-12-2 01:05 發表
I went to this ST centre for doing assessment by a ST. When doing assessment, the ST take some toys out, no demonstrate, no leading, just tell my son to show him how to play & no speech assessment. Si ...
作者: iam 時間: 09-12-3 11:53
http://www.speechtherapy.org.hk/search.php
你在這裡可找到香港私人執業的ST清單，但當然夾唔夾，技巧等就要試過先知。
你可以打電話問ST的資歷，esp有無做發展障礙幼兒的經驗，同埋佢full唔full，然後再作決定囉。老實說，在協康等機構做了多年以上的，都會對佢有ｄ信心的。
原帖由 owl_2046 於 09-12-3 11:13 發表
麻煩你PM比我知, 我都幫緊個仔搵ST, $真係唔易賺, 唔想浪費. Thanks!
作者: heidifsl 時間: 09-12-3 14:10
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作者: muimui5 時間: 09-12-3 15:12
Which centre was it? Can you PM me?
原帖由 ikebukuro 於 09-12-3 00:56 發表
Thank you for your encouraging. I'm not angry for wasting my money, I'm disappointed of their "earing money method"!!!You told me it should usually have 3T at the intensive course, but I can answer u ...
作者: Noemie 時間: 09-12-3 17:04
Can you PM to me which centre?
作者: ikebukuro 時間: 09-12-3 17:48
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作者: esy_ng 時間: 09-12-4 02:09
Please also pm me which centre. Thanks.
原帖由 ikebukuro 於 09-12-3 17:48 發表
nokia6300,
already pm to u la!!!
作者: sze0830 時間: 09-12-4 11:27
我都想知邊間呢?可 pm我嗎? Thanks ....
原帖由 esy_ng 於 09-12-4 02:09 發表
Please also pm me which centre. Thanks.
作者: ktv 時間: 09-12-4 11:53
煩請也pm名和地址給我, 謝謝!
作者: pipi331 時間: 09-12-4 12:46
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作者: rvp 時間: 09-12-4 13:01
can u PM to me too, so i can tell others mum not to go there!
原帖由 ikebukuro 於 09-12-3 00:46 發表
lokmanmama,
pm to u la!! I think u can guess which center!!
作者: rachncurtsmom 時間: 09-12-4 15:06
ikebukuro,
Can you also pm me which ST centre. Thanks
作者: yeeyeemum 時間: 09-12-5 01:08
I want to know, please PM to me.
原帖由 ikebukuro 於 09-12-2 01:05 發表
I went to this ST centre for doing assessment by a ST. When doing assessment, the ST take some toys out, no demonstrate, no leading, just tell my son to show him how to play & no speech assessment. Si ...
作者: Jacy_BB 時間: 09-12-5 13:05
can you pm me also ?
作者: west_west 時間: 09-12-5 22:23
我嫂都幫姪仔揾緊ST, 可否pm埋我？
作者: appleton 時間: 09-12-5 23:09 標題: 回覆 4# ikebukuro 的文章
pls pm me the ST and ST centre. Many thanks
作者: boc 時間: 09-12-7 03:08
Please also pm me which centre. Thanks.
作者: Capricorn2521 時間: 09-12-9 17:03
pls pm to me too. thanks.
作者: patming 時間: 09-12-9 18:39
Can you PM to me which centre?
作者: ikebukuro 時間: 09-12-10 01:07
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作者: ktv 時間: 09-12-10 10:33
哦, 佢地個名係3個字? 我之前都問過佢地,
一個星期五天1對1 training, 每天一小時, $6600 全程係幼兒導師。
原帖由 ikebukuro 於 09-12-10 01:07 發表
Everybody,
Actually, the message of iam (see P.1)have already told the answer to you.
(not the one at YMT!)
作者: ikebukuro 時間: 09-12-10 11:09
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作者: ktv 時間: 09-12-10 12:43
之前係一星期五天, 每天一小時, 而家改到咁, 緊係為咗就佢地自己方便啦。
原帖由 ikebukuro 於 09-12-10 11:09 發表
Hi ktv,
Bingo!! u get the right answer!!
Now should be $6800 la!! but not 1hr/day, it should be 1hr/day for three days+2hrs/day for one day(that means total 5hrs/week)
What do u think if BB attend non ...
作者: KwanLui 時間: 09-12-10 17:20 標題: 回覆 1# ikebukuro 的文章
吾好禁嬲la.....其實個ST同mammy講baby既情況時都好應顧下人家感受, 吾好講到baby好似一冇是處禁...
不如我介紹下我呢2年黎幫我baby既機構la...仔仔而家4years old la, 佢2歲時被CAC評speech delay (for 1 and half year), 社交遲緩及有自閉症傾向....排隊等E位及S位...自己於等到位前去左協康, 仔仔第一位ST係海富協康既伍姑娘(好夾吖), 後來伍姑娘SAID BABY SPEECH SEEMS OK LA, 反而可去做"幼兒導師TRAINING", 轉左去太子協康, BUT SEEMS 麻麻地, THEN去左佐敦既樂天-鄭姑娘都好好吖, HELP BABY LOT, 終如今年9月(BABY 3 AND HALF YEARS OLD LA) 我地等到政府比既E位LA, 迫於放棄樂天, 都吾捨得鄭姑娘..BUT FOR SAVE MORE ($2,000/MONTH) ...NO WAY LA. 輾轉返來海富協康LA, 伍姑娘都話BABY醒左好多LA, 而家有齊ST, OT, PT, 堂部都係$60/MONTH, BABY而家既幼兒導師又係叫鄭姑娘都好好吖....BABY而家開始駁嘴TIM...各位MAMMY加油, 不要灰心.
作者: muimui5 時間: 09-12-10 18:15 標題: 這間ST真是要不得嗎？
ikebukuro Ktv,
早兩日先喺你哋治話果間ST(Causeway Bay)問都有每週適合時段1 vs 1 ST，我冇打佢算Buy佢其他training，因為阿女排到協康 1 vs 1 幼師，又有Links 既小組。Tmr要去評估，train住呢等協康有冇壞？你去CB/HH or TW？唔Buy其他trianing會唔會死"Lur"唔放呀？
作者: lokmanmama 時間: 09-12-10 23:09
hi KwanＬｕｉ，
我想問下，你係樂天讀左幾耐？比較起黎，你覺得佢地同協康差唔差得遠呢？？
我而家都排緊協康，不過就啱啱開始讀樂天．因我住係港島，所以交通好唔方便．但係佢地係最快可以有位讀ＡＢＡ既課程． 青蔥我都排緊，不過，對我重更加遠，到時有位都唔知去唔去好．
你係樂天邊位鄭姑娘？我聽ｂｋ ｍａｍｉ講而家ｓｔ係叫孔姑娘，唔幾好喎， 我憺心佢教唔到我個仔講野，我好心急，唔想哂時間，但又小選擇．
原帖由 KwanLui 於 09-12-10 17:20 發表
吾好禁嬲la.....其實個ST同mammy講baby既情況時都好應顧下人家感受, 吾好講到baby好似一冇是處禁...
不如我介紹下我呢2年黎幫我baby既機構la...仔仔而家4years old la, 佢2歲時被CAC評speech delay (for 1 and half ...
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作者: Capricorn2521 時間: 09-12-11 11:03
hi KwanLui,
我想問吓... 整個訓練過程(由2歲到依家)係吾係每星期去上堂一次呀? 因為我們已經上左成4個月課，個st堂堂d野都差不多，我覺得我在堂上學了，在家也可以繼續做。不過，個st又話一星期一次係基本的。所以想問下你呀。謝謝！
原帖由 KwanLui 於 09-12-10 17:20 發表
吾好禁嬲la.....其實個ST同mammy講baby既情況時都好應顧下人家感受, 吾好講到baby好似一冇是處禁...
不如我介紹下我呢2年黎幫我baby既機構la...仔仔而家4years old la, 佢2歲時被CAC評speech delay (for 1 and half ...
作者: KwanLui 時間: 09-12-11 11:25
Hi lokmanmama,
1. BB 2 years old just finished CAC assertment 時開始, 讀左幾個月, ST-海富Heep Hong伍姑娘幾好, 佢usually負責 "靑蔥"即私家隊...
2. Then almost summer 即 Jul-Aug 08, 我地去左樂天既 mon-friday既半日summer course, 好貴 ($7,000/month), but baby係呢2個月明顯地進步la...佢地形式類似 heep hong 既 "伴我同樂".
3. 其實攪樂天既陳姑娘之前响協康訓練協康導師, so佢地同heep hong都好似, 好多heep hong 亦認識陳姑娘, 而樂天亦有好多heep hong 出來的. 佢地價錢亦同heep hong 差不多.
4. 我認為當然要交通方便la, because may be 係 at least 1-2 year 既 long terms training (對我而言, even my bb improve a lot, 我亦未敢停下來). 其次, 每個導師夾至夾就真係自己試過至知, 就好似好地有病看e生一樣, 有d e生好出名的e生, but if you feeling no good, 信心都小一半la), so 我只可recommand 1 d 我地try 過 and feeling good 的.
5. 我地係油麻樂天, 我又吾知鄭姑娘全名, 好似佢收費同陳姑娘差吾多, 屬高級導師...你試下問, 仲有佢BABY好似啱啱約1-1/2 OR 2 歲, you try to ask la....
6. 其實baby講吾講野, 除左導師既努力, baby本身係一個問題, 因為有自閉症傾向既bb, 佢地好多時2走極端, 1. may be越大越好 2, 越大越worse...因為隨住佢地長大...好多明顯行為讓我們看到佢地係遲緩? 定真係自閉呢? 但係無論咩字眼去形容, 我地都係比同一樣佢地...就係"training"..
Hope can help u la....
作者: KwanLui 時間: 09-12-11 11:45 標題: 回覆 39# Capricorn2521 的文章
係吖, 我地呢2年黎都差吾多1星期1堂, but 當然每個小朋友情況吾一樣la.
其實小朋友最親容密既老師係我地吖, 就算比b 一星期5堂咪見得果5個鐘, 我地應從旁学習導師技巧, 日常生活也可應用吖.....吾止小朋友要學習....我地都要同佢一齊努力吖....
(個st堂堂d野都差不多，我覺得我在堂上學了) - 但如果你覺得情況停滯不前, 又可試試其他la.....
作者: Capricorn2521 時間: 09-12-11 12:23
多謝你的回覆。
另外，我又想知：導師係鼓勵你同小朋友一起上堂，還是認為媽媽在場，小朋友會比較不聽話呢?
原帖由 KwanLui 於 09-12-11 11:45 發表
係吖, 我地呢2年黎都差吾多1星期1堂, but 當然每個小朋友情況吾一樣la.
其實小朋友最親容密既老師係我地吖, 就算比b 一星期5堂咪見得果5個鐘, 我地應從旁学習導師技巧, 日常生活也可應用吖.....吾止小朋友要學習... ...
作者: KwanLui 時間: 09-12-11 15:25
我多數在場, BECAUSE 我都在旁學習SOME TECH. BUT 亦試過叫我WAIT OUTSIDE BECAUSE 姑娘想跟BABY混熟 AND DELEVOP 親密D, 我都会配合導師安排.
作者: ktv 時間: 09-12-11 15:53
我只係電話查詢過, 其實唔知好唔好, 冇 lur 我幫親。
原帖由 muimui5 於 09-12-10 18:15 發表
ikebukuro Ktv,
早兩日先喺你哋治話果間ST(Causeway Bay)問都有每週適合時段1 vs 1 ST，我冇打佢算Buy佢其他training，因為阿女排到協康 1 vs 1 幼師，又有Links 既小組。Tmr要去評估，train住呢等協康有冇壞？你去CB/HH or ...
作者: ikebukuro 時間: 09-12-11 16:07
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作者: KwanLui 時間: 09-12-11 16:26
Hi ikebukuro,
I really like to share my experiance coz i want to tell every mommy that 希望在明天.
1. My baby had the 母嬰院 assertment at 18 Months, but failed. 我地沒太緊張 coz my earler son like this. But we still follow their instruction, queued up for CAC Doctor's further assertment.
2. 到左 baby 22 months, I really think that baby got something wrong. 冇言語表達; 冇身体語言 (既係想飲奶都吾会指奶樽); 冇eye contact; because我有大仔比較 (大2年半)-我aware到有問題.
3. 我一方面打去CAC嘈 why I still can't see doctor (差多半年), 實情係之前以為小問題冇緊張
3. so, 我打
作者: KwanLui 時間: 09-12-11 16:46
4. then I immdy checked with Heep Hong - ST and arrange BB to Nursuray. 人話小朋友返左學就好快speak, 我1方面arrange ST lesson and 1 方面報 N 班, 最難忙BABY first day interview with my downstair international Kinder, he just lied down on the floor and cried, 個主任眼突 (哥哥之前 had the same N1 and K1, and 好乖果只). 最後照收 ($字掛帥)..
5. Baby started his N1 when 2 years old... , but after 4 months i found that no improvement, i awared that cased may be worse....
6. 約 baby 25-26 months started to have ST training with Heep Hong. Baby started can said some simple wording like 姑娘said 1,2 ...bb said 3.....
7. 最明顯係到baby 30個月(即08年7月-8月summer)讀左樂天summer course, 開始鸚鵡學舌; 打鐘識即收玩具, 雖然幾機械式, 但幾大既進步
作者: ikebukuro 時間: 09-12-11 16:46
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作者: KwanLui 時間: 09-12-11 16:56
8. i am not really remember that the CAC assertment finished around baby 26 months and the result like speech, social delay over 1 year.
9. CAC doctor suggested that we queued up for E 位, s位 & 油麻地兒童精神科.....actually, 我去之前自己search左好多info, well aware the case of my baby and 我baby又未有典型行為, 只 assert 為自閉症傾向, 一早知大既有咩可排, 連社工部都暗示好小daddy , mammy 禁泠靜...
10. baby 返樂天summer course 時係 2 and half year old (Jul-Aug 08), then arranged a normal kinder for him at Sep 08(N1班 and kinder係平民基督教幼兒院, 貪佢程度淺)
作者: KwanLui 時間: 09-12-11 17:05
11. 樂天summer course finished 之後, 就開始單對筆單既training, 其間有heep hong 同樂天交替, 約 once a week.
12. baby 開始講多左, 姑娘又同佢做其他traine up , 可能之前言語吾通好多地方塞左, 言語一通, 其他方面開始流蜴....(姑娘有提此点)
作者: KwanLui 時間: 09-12-11 17:15
原帖由 ikebukuro 於 09-12-11 16:46 發表
KwanLui,
When your BB 2 years old (the time u start to alert the problem), can he sit still? and can he understand your instructions? or no response?
Have your BB attend any extra 1-1 OT training sin ...
Actully, i didn't arrange OT for my bb coz I just focus on his speech traning 因係佢明顯弱項, 我當時覺得baby响体能方面冇問題 and compared with 大仔, 細佬仲比哥哥靈活 (but now, baby has his OT, PT at Heep Hong 因E位有INCLUDE這些 and 响 d 專家口中, 佢地實有問題, but in my point of veiw, no big deal) I just focus on Baby's speaking and eye contact and soical commuicate as he didn't nothing before 26 months.
作者: KwanLui 時間: 09-12-11 17:23
baby just 4 years old la and 升左K1, 而家speaking叻左好多, although still 比 same age 爭D, 識同你argue la,
e.g. 有d野想食我吾比, 走去ask daddy, daddy 話是但, 返來同我講 "daddy話是但"
d書飛哂落地, 我放工返來問 "who did it", 佢即話 "吾係我, 係哥哥" (古惑, but at least i think "baby back to normal la")
佢係每日都出d新野, 令我feel到佢有進步.
作者: KwanLui 時間: 09-12-11 17:29
呢2年既經歷有好多淚水, but 而家開始用笑声取代la.
呢排冇禁忙, 好想同d彷徨mammy 分享下.
今年9月終於等到E位, OT, ST, PT, 同幼兒導師每2星期返一次.
作者: ikebukuro 時間: 09-12-11 17:53
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作者: KwanLui 時間: 09-12-11 22:03 標題: 回覆 1# ikebukuro 的文章
1. My baby is "type 2".
2. My baby was born in Dec 2005; he started his N1 at Aug 2008 (baby was around 2 and half year old) because baby can't speak well - that's why I don't let him go to K1, then Aug 2009 to K1.
3. We had around 5 months ST before we went to Joyful for half day summer course.
3. Yes, I fully descripted the case of my baby to his kinder coz i need them to special care for my baby.
4. I would suggest Mama to tell the turth to baby's kinder so that they can specail care for your baby. If they really mind, they would not let your baby in at the very begining. To be honest, you can change another school if you find bb's ability improve. Don't worry that no school not accept your baby coz a lot of private kinder just look for $$$ (to be honest)
5. As i said before, I find a kinder is not really famous . But teachers are kind and eager to ask the status of my baby and even said they can do anything if they can help. On contrasy, when baby was 2, I tried to let him in International kindergarten and feel they are "no heart" and "just look for $$$". Of course, if our baby is "normal" should be ok, but if their ability do not reach standard, we should not let them to "such kind of high level" school. In my point of view, we should help them step by step.....
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作者: cecilau 時間: 09-12-11 23:02
KwanLui,
Hi...好耐無同你傾計啦... 時間真係過得好快呀.. 我地的小朋友都4歲啦. 而家都識得講野啦.... ha... 我仔仔最後入左s位啦. 而家返緊s位呀.
原帖由 KwanLui 於 09-12-11 22:03 發表
1. My baby is "type 2".
2. My baby was born in Dec 2005; he started his N1 at Aug 2008 (baby was around 2 and half year old) because baby can't speak well - that's why I don't let him go to K1, then ...
作者: lokmanmama 時間: 09-12-12 01:01
hihi kwanlui,
我都好想多謝你咁長盡既分享,因為,你真係俾左好多希望俾我!
我好希望你既經驗,都會發生係我個仔仔身上.我而家都係啱啱返樂天,亦啱啱上緊私人既st. 你俾左我好大信心,知道條路應該點行.我好認同亦知道, 會對mami黎講係好辛苦同好多淚水,不過,最重要係,如果,我地個小朋友都可以好似你果個咁有進步,呢個先至係最最重要同值得!!!
我希望,一兩年後,如果,我個小朋友真係有進步,我都會再上黎同其他"同路人1"分享同鼓勵有"需要"既mami!
我都重有一個問題, 你係讀joyful之前既st, 係幾耐做一次,同埋係邊一個centre做嫁??
再一次唔該!
原帖由 KwanLui 於 09-12-11 22:03 發表
1. My baby is "type 2".
2. My baby was born in Dec 2005; he started his N1 at Aug 2008 (baby was around 2 and half year old) because baby can't speak well - that's why I don't let him go to K1, then ...
作者: KwanLui 時間: 09-12-12 10:31 標題: 回覆 56# cecilau 的文章
Hi Cecilau,
Hi, 好冇talk la,:) 轉眼快2年, 記得當日你比樂天d資料我架.
你仔仔入左s位了, 吾緊要架, 就好似我地想阿仔入名校, 如果佢地力有不逮, 咪退而求其次...只要佢地有進步....那怕1小步...加油吖!
作者: KwanLui 時間: 09-12-12 10:51
原帖由 lokmanmama 於 09-12-12 01:01 發表
hihi kwanlui,
我都好想多謝你咁長盡既分享,因為,你真係俾左好多希望俾我!
我好希望你既經驗,都會發生係我個仔仔身上.我而家都係啱啱返樂天,亦啱啱上緊私人既st. 你俾左我好大信心,知道條路應該點行.我好認同亦知 ...
我果時係1星期1次ST, 因為佢明顯係吾講野, 上左3-4月開始有小小詞語出LA, 直至ST-伍姑娘話佢可轉幼兒導師TRAINING, 學下其他好似KINDER要學的.
其實我BABY真正講野係2歲半(但都未係自發,係鸚鵡學舌), 比如叫佢 "比媽媽", 佢跟住講 "比媽媽" - 而吾明我係想叫佢將手上D野比MAMA...只係鸚鵡學舌抄我講野 (但响當時黎講, 係進步表現, 姑娘話小朋友語言就係鸚鵡學舌)
作者: KwanLui 時間: 09-12-12 10:54
我吾怕煩架
, 係想鼓勵大家, 吾好比眼前小問題難到, 要加油吖
作者: Capricorn2521 時間: 09-12-12 11:24
Dear KwanLui,
Really appreciate your kindness !
You know what, my baby is now 32 months, who started to speak at 24 months. Although i didn't put intensive training to him ($$ issue), I tried my very best to train him at home and hd weekly ST training. I found his steps and improvement was quiet similar to your little boy before. Therefore, your sharing really impress me, that makes me see my coming future... what is my next step... really give me a short-term objective.... Again, a billion thanks !!
原帖由 KwanLui 於 09-12-11 15:25 發表
我多數在場, BECAUSE 我都在旁學習SOME TECH. BUT 亦試過叫我WAIT OUTSIDE BECAUSE 姑娘想跟BABY混熟 AND DELEVOP 親密D, 我都会配合導師安排.
作者: KwanLui 時間: 09-12-12 11:50
原帖由 Capricorn2521 於 09-12-12 11:24 發表
Dear KwanLui,
Really appreciate your kindness !
You know what, my baby is now 32 months, who started to speak at 24 months. Although i didn't put intensive training to him ($$ issue), I tried my ver ...
其實我baby當時除左响樂天果2個月summer course,其餘都吾算密集式,都係once a week(但都洗成2,000一個月la), 所以對好多familly黎講都真係吾小野.
當時亦好多家人叫我比$去做一個正式的assertment去肯定阿仔咩事, 但當時我知我仔仔係一個marginally case (即係 知道有事, 但又吾係差到話你係"A"仔), 我心諗要我比OVER 8,000甚至10,000要1個"報告", 我既然知道阿仔邊PART WEAK, 我寧願留返D$比佢做TRAINING, 後來見到1個MAMMY既網誌其中以下這篇, 我更加肯定自已做法係岩....
作者: KwanLui 時間: 09-12-12 11:51
網誌分類：自閉症:治療/訓練/資源 | 網誌日期：2008-02-21 10:35
「發展遲緩」/「自閉症傾向」/「自閉症」有何分別?
這裡所說的，並非專業的界定；我只是作為特殊兒的家長，把我所知道和理解的，跟大家分享。
我在親子網站的特殊教育論壇，常看見一些幼兒到衛生署兒童體能智力測驗中心作評估後，被診斷為「發展遲緩」(Developmental Delay)或「自閉症傾向」(with Autistic features/ suspected Autistic Spectrum Disorder )，甚至是「自閉症」(Autistic Spectrum Disorder/ Autism)。家長對這些結果，往往有不同的反應。
有些家長原本擔心孩子是「自閉症」，結果醫生只是寫了「發展遲緩」，就覺得比較放心；有些父母本來以為寶寶只是語言發展慢些，怎知醫生竟說孩子是「自閉症傾向」，於是就搬一大堆「事實」，來責疑醫生出錯，又害怕這個標籤會影響孩子今後的生活。還有些個案醫生說是「自閉症傾向」，父母一聽見「自閉症」三個字，已經想到孩子「完」了，一輩子會活在自己的世界，而孩子當時還不到兩歲，醫生很可能只是說有些「自閉症」的傾向……。
JJ三歲時，因為我們想盡快知道結果，就帶她去私家醫生作評估。這位醫生以前在衛生署兒童體能智力測驗中心工作，擁有專業的評估資格(不是每位醫生都有資格替兒童作發展評估，必須有專業文憑，或是心理學家/教育心理學家才能做)。我曾很認真地問她如何評定孩子是「發展遲緩」/「自閉症傾向」/「自閉症」？
醫生說她們當然有標準的評估工具和指引，但替幼兒做評估，很多時也需根據經驗。在香港，三歲以前的孩子若有發展上的問題，除非是有很明顯的自閉症徵狀，在多方面有嚴重的遲緩，否則醫生寧可在報告上寫「發展遲緩」或「自閉症傾向」。這是因為孩子在這段時期的發展有很大的差異，有可能在一兩年內，有很大的進展。有孩子兩歲多仍不會說話，但一開始說話，溝通能力改善了，社交能力也提高，結果連自閉症徵狀也消失。不過，也有個案最初以為只是「發展遲緩」，可是越大自閉症徵狀就越多，終於被正式診斷為「自閉症」。
大多數被評為「發展遲緩」/「自閉症傾向」/「自閉症」的孩子上小學前(5-6歲)仍需去兒童體能智力測驗中心做一次全面的評估，要到那時候才會確定孩子是否「自閉症」，如果是的話，什麼程度，智力發展能否上主流小學等。
那麼如果孩子三歲前被評估為「發展遲緩」/「自閉症傾向」/「自閉症」，家長應該如何理解呢？
其實是什麼標籤並不重要，孩子被叫做什麼，都是自己的寶貝。最重要的是家長知道孩子在哪些方面的發展比同齡的差，差多少。通常評估後，醫生會告訴父母孩子在智能發展、語言發展、大肌肉、小肌肉、社交方面慢了多少，這些就是父母需要針對、幫助孩子追趕的方向。
可能有些體智能測驗中心的醫生，會傾向把孩子的問題說得重一些，父母因此不高興。但是，如果家長因為醫生的提醒，因而用了更多的心機，努力幫助孩子克服障礙，結果得益的卻是自己的孩子。
所以，希望家長們千萬不要因為醫生的診斷，而感到絕望；因為孩子一時力有不逮，而感到灰心。孩子的幼年是學習黃金時期，你們越早開始給予他們適當的訓練、治療，他們就越有機會趕上――甚至，還你一個驚奇！
作者: KwanLui 時間: 09-12-12 11:53
以上文章QUOTE BY 1個有2個問題兒童的MAMMY, 佢都係一個勇敢,積極既MAMMY.
http://hk.myblog.yahoo.com/mama-tears/article?mid=659
作者: KwanLui 時間: 09-12-12 12:05
好似我BABY, 如果當日冇比任何TRAINING (I MEAN HAVE TO SPEND $$) 佢, 可能佢今日都可能GET THE SAME RESULT, BUT OF COURSE, IF 你自己都覺得問題吾簡單就要認真盤算一下LA.
我地做PARENTS只能用我地有限既資源做一D對佢地有幫助, $$要用得其所, 要理智, 吾好因為自己比吾到好多或者某些佢地就係自己吾好;歉疚等.
你記住BABY最親密既老師係我地自己吖.
作者: KwanLui 時間: 09-12-12 12:36
Capricorn2521,
你有冇政府service啦, 爭好遠架 (當時E生叫我排E&S位, 我亦FORECAST 吾到baby既前路, 吾使$照等la) 如果baby後來表現吾得, 要入S位又何防呢 - 有3師会審:D ST, OT, PT STAND BY AND 1對6(AROUND), 讀完1年吾好可以走架MA, 你吾講冇人知佢讀過架, 冇人LABLE到佢, 相反, 如BB情況真係留响S位對佢好, 又有政府比$, 那就要接受, 總之對BB好的就做LA.
我今年九月都同時等到E位, S位, 決定到可入E位, 放棄S位...而家E位又去返之前(私人比$間HEEP HONG) , 但係而E位$60/MONTH -PT,OT,ST加幼兒導師堂1個月有成約10堂, 真係1身鬆哂 .
[ 本帖最後由 KwanLui 於 09-12-12 12:37 編輯 ]
作者: Capricorn2521 時間: 09-12-12 13:24
yes... we have been assessed this summer (when he was 27 mths), and now we are waiting for the services of E & S.
At the same time, we were doing training too. He had improvement for the 1st and 2nd months, both on eye contact and interest on people...... however, it seems no improvement this 2 months....
In contrast, he did badly in N1 class at Sep when he firstly started.... but every now and then, the class teacher told me he has improved in behaviours at class. E.g. able to line up, hold other child's hand, sit still for 2 mins., stop lie down on floor, show more interest on others. He also learn to sing, always singing at home, but also learn the bad things from classmates, such as hitting people..... but at least, he can imitate others.
Becos he has no improvement on training lesson, I have talked to my ST (becos I want to know her objective too)... but her answer is my son is too stubborn, doesn't want to follow instruction.. so we may need some time...
I just wondering why they hv different opinions. Later, i think maybe the N1 class hv more flexibility for him. But 1:1 training is more focus on him, and he need to do what hv been told.
So, I started to tell him he needs to obey.... I can't let him be the boss all the time...... Now I can say he is more "soft" when comparing to a month ago..... but still.... I have a lot to do, to maintain his good behaviour and eliminate his bad ones.... a BIG project.... and a lot of challenges ahead....
原帖由 KwanLui 於 09-12-12 12:36 發表
Capricorn2521,
你有冇政府service啦, 爭好遠架 (當時E生叫我排E&S位, 我亦FORECAST 吾到baby既前路, 吾使$照等la) 如果baby後來表現吾得, 要入S位又何防呢 - 有3師会審:D ST, OT, PT STAND BY AND 1對6(AROUND), ...
作者: Capricorn2521 時間: 09-12-12 13:27
Hi KwanLui,
btw, do u hv any ideas if he always looks at the wall/fence to walk forth and back ?
作者: cecilau 時間: 09-12-12 13:33
如果我係你, 經濟能力又許可, 唔好返普通n 班, 而返所謂的"私人s位" 雖然無s位咁好, 但點都好過n班, 因為n 班的老師無咁多時間去睇你仔仔, 最後你仔仔係乜都學唔到呀, 咁就浪費時間呀.
原帖由 Capricorn2521 於 09-12-12 13:24 發表
yes... we have been assessed this summer (when he was 27 mths), and now we are waiting for the services of E & S.
At the same time, we were doing training too. He had improvement for the 1st and 2nd ...
作者: cecilau 時間: 09-12-12 13:36
你講得對呀.. 有需要入s位真係好好多呀. 我仔仔上年9月就排到e位先啦. 最後就轉入s位, 起初都好唔願意的, 但讀左1年s位, 佢的進步好大呀. 講野都係差一年, 但係其他野都好好呀. 老師都話佢進步很大呀. 而家仲識得同聰聰吵架, 好識得表達自己的需要, 雖然無同年齡咁叻, 但係同自己比都係有進步呀. 講真, s位為小朋友設計一個fit 佢的program, 點都好過係出面的幼稚園dreaming 呀.
原帖由 KwanLui 於 09-12-12 12:36 發表
Capricorn2521,
你有冇政府service啦, 爭好遠架 (當時E生叫我排E&S位, 我亦FORECAST 吾到baby既前路, 吾使$照等la) 如果baby後來表現吾得, 要入S位又何防呢 - 有3師会審:D ST, OT, PT STAND BY AND 1對6(AROUND), ...
作者: Capricorn2521 時間: 09-12-13 16:11
Hi cecilau, thanks for your reply and suggestion.
For me, money is an issue. Another point is my son only attend N1 class 2 hrs every day. I just treat this as playgroup for him to paly with other kids and learn school schedule.... which i think he can adapt quite well so far (this is a play-approach KG, not academic one).
The issue concern me most actually is the ST, I need her advice to train my son every night & during holiday (I can arrived home at 7pm sharp). When she told me my son was quite stubborn last month, I can figure out solution myself on how to make him "soft"... but during the training lesson, my boy didn't listen to the ST most of the time..and finally, I need to speak up, and my boy can finish the tasks... but her explaination is 媽媽在..孩子不聽話.... so I try to wait outside, still.... i can hear she can't handle him quietly.
This is not my first experience on trainers cannot handle my boy. Therefore, I am quite concern about this issue. Anyway, I decided to change ST.
Sometimes, I may think.... the ST need to do so many tasks within 1 hr ... which may not possible for such a 有主見的小朋友，therefore, i can only trust myself to learn the skills and do it at home or whenever possible.
原帖由 cecilau 於 09-12-12 13:33 發表
如果我係你, 經濟能力又許可, 唔好返普通n 班, 而返所謂的"私人s位" 雖然無s位咁好, 但點都好過n班, 因為n 班的老師無咁多時間去睇你仔仔, 最後你仔仔係乜都學唔到呀, 咁就浪費時間呀.
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作者: ikebukuro 時間: 09-12-13 22:50
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作者: cecilau 時間: 09-12-14 09:33
十分明白你的situation, 因為我仔仔都遇過咁的問題. 我個人覺得一個鐘的st 對2歲幾的小朋友實在太長呀. 我覺得30mins 就夠. 同埋最重要係家長學左點樣教小朋友做, 所以上堂最好你要在場, 咁你先可以學到野, 返屋企可以同佢做訓練呀.
原帖由 Capricorn2521 於 09-12-13 16:11 發表
Hi cecilau, thanks for your reply and suggestion.
For me, money is an issue. Another point is my son only attend N1 class 2 hrs every day. I just treat this as playgroup for him to paly with other ki ...
作者: KwanLui 時間: 09-12-14 10:38
原帖由 Capricorn2521 於 09-12-12 13:27 發表
Hi KwanLui,
btw, do u hv any ideas if he always looks at the wall/fence to walk forth and back ?
你所描述既有d似自閉症症或者有傾向的"固執性行為", 死板而冇变化的, 甚至堅持1成不变既模式. 當初我仔仔又係鐘意玩車仔, 方式冇变化, 堅持手揸住行, even 有batterary都吾肯放手讓佢自己行, even 見到哥哥用其他方式玩seems funny 都吾会follow, 只跟自己模式(當然情况好壞,因人而異la, 有d child, if you try to change his pattern, he will be crazy crying, but my baby算係easy to handle)
而家佢改善左好多, 識跟哥哥玩法, 雖然仲有小小佢自己既模式, but much better la. 呢個improvement係代表佢can aware 到其他人 同 事物and copy them, 吾係活在自己世界.
作者: Capricorn2521 時間: 09-12-14 10:44
係喎.... 我都要同新ST傾吓...其實一個鐘是否太長呢.... 多謝提點 ! :)
U know that, the ST suggested me to hv 1 hr 2-kids social skill training and then 1/2 hr individual training.... totally 1.5 hrs......After that lesson, both my boy and I exhausted. So, I turned back to hv individual training only.
原帖由 cecilau 於 09-12-14 09:33 發表
十分明白你的situation, 因為我仔仔都遇過咁的問題. 我個人覺得一個鐘的st 對2歲幾的小朋友實在太長呀. 我覺得30mins 就夠. 同埋最重要係家長學左點樣教小朋友做, 所以上堂最好你要在場, 咁你先可以學到野, 返屋企可 ...
作者: Capricorn2521 時間: 09-12-14 11:00
yes, you're right. So, how did you handle your son when it happened ?
For me, if I just talk to him (ask him to stop), he will stop for 1 second and then do it again right away. If I go to take him away, somtimes he will follow me to go, no crying. But sometimes he will insist his action.
原帖由 KwanLui 於 09-12-14 10:38 發表
你所描述既有d似自閉症症或者有傾向的"固執性行為", 死板而冇变化的, 甚至堅持1成不变既模式. 當初我仔仔又係鐘意玩車仔, 方式冇变化, 堅持手揸住行, even 有batterary都吾肯放手讓佢自己行, even 見到哥哥用其他 ...
作者: cecilau 時間: 09-12-14 11:02
我個人覺得1個鐘st 真係太長呀. 如果一次上哂咁多training, 小朋友都幾辛苦的.
原帖由 Capricorn2521 於 09-12-14 10:44 發表
係喎.... 我都要同新ST傾吓...其實一個鐘是否太長呢.... 多謝提點 ! :)
U know that, the ST suggested me to hv 1 hr 2-kids social skill training and then 1/2 hr individual training.... totally 1.5 hrs.... ...
作者: KwanLui 時間: 09-12-14 11:13
原帖由 Capricorn2521 於 09-12-12 13:24 發表
yes... we have been assessed this summer (when he was 27 mths), and now we are waiting for the services of E & S.
At the same time, we were doing training too. He had improvement for the 1st and 2nd ...
以我自己既睇法呢, 一般幼稚園導師當然係話小朋友冇問題la只要佢吾係响課堂上表現差到令老師上吾到堂(因為佢地都係学校收入來源...)我仔仔2歲時响樓下既國際kinder讀2歲班-teacher都話佢okok...because he just sits and say nothing...禁樣佢地係吾help到our baby, 美其名只係揾一個讀過書既姐姐帮手湊仔(仲係1:12). So, 我認為係吾好浪費時間la, but if you really have pressure in 經濟, of course, go to this kind of kinder is better than do nothing.
至於ST那個PROBLEM, ST係言語治療師, 呢個係佢地強項, 如果小朋友有其他行為上PROBLEM, 佢地未必係專家可HANDLE LA, 你可以試下揾一D導師行為訓練, 解决佢行為上的問題先, 小朋友吾係先天啞, 就一定識講...好似我仔仔而家, 天光一開眼就講不停:D .....我地話佢講返以前冇講果D....
你亦吾使擔心小朋友吾返正常KINDER有問題吖, MY BABY JUST START - HEEP HONG 幼兒導師, 每2 WEEK 1堂小組 (9人), 我地D MAMMY 坐埋一邊睇, 見佢地玩小小合作性GAME, LIKE HAND TO HAND, ALTHOUGH SOME CHILD ARE SHY, 但都見到佢地努力開展自己社交.
So, 真係要比1 d啱既野佢地, 先可help到佢地, 我地要用我地"有限既的資源$$$", 仲有同時間競賽.
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作者: lokmanmama 時間: 09-12-14 11:16
hi ikebukuro,
我覺得ok, 雖然未有明顯改變,不過,佢大致上好快適應咗.
因為佢最弱係未有語言,而最初頭兩星期係冇st既, 故此,唔係話有咩野睇到.
但我認為,呢度既模式係比一般既n1適合,因為,真係"mark"得好實. 所以,小朋友係可以有專人"睇住" ,觀察到佢地既進度.
我仔仔上左兩課1-1既幼兒訓練, 佢亦跟到指令.佢亦會俾"功課"在家日日去同佢做. 咁佢對聽指令同做功課開始有服從性, 我覺得對日後既訓練係有幫助.
不過,我覺得時間交通既安排同金錢係重要既考慮, 如果可以既話,你俾三個月至半年佢上,ok既,再轉出黎普通n1 再加個別同家局訓練.
原帖由 ikebukuro 於 09-12-13 22:50 發表
Hi lokmanmama,
I know u just join Joyful intensive course at this mnoth, what's your comments? Does your BB adapt? Any improvement? (even for three weeks) Have u notice your BB any difference?
Thanks ...
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作者: KwanLui 時間: 09-12-14 11:31
原帖由 Capricorn2521 於 09-12-14 11:00 發表
yes, you're right. So, how did you handle your son when it happened ?
For me, if I just talk to him (ask him to stop), he will stop for 1 second and then do it again right away. If I go to take him ...
响樂天時姑娘都有教响佢面前用D另外方式LAW, 等佢知道凡事有ANOTHER WAY, BUT CAN GET THE SAME RESULT LAW. 比如姑娘比BABY玩SILDE, 行完STAIR上AND THEN SLIDE, THEN TEACH HIM THAT HE CAN JUMP FROM ANOTHER WAY SO THAT I ALSO CAN REACH THE FLOOR.
佢未必FOLLOW IMMDY, BUT 你停INPUT LAW.
作者: cecilau 時間: 09-12-14 11:37
kwanlui,
你仔仔仲有乜野自閉行為呀??? 我仔仔無自閉行為的.
原帖由 KwanLui 於 09-12-14 11:31 發表
响樂天時姑娘都有教响佢面前用D另外方式LAW, 等佢知道凡事有ANOTHER WAY, BUT CAN GET THE SAME RESULT LAW. 比如姑娘比BABY玩SILDE, 行完STAIR上AND THEN SLIDE, THEN TEACH HIM THAT HE CAN JUMP FROM ANOTHER W ...
作者: KwanLui 時間: 09-12-14 11:52
原帖由 cecilau 於 09-12-14 11:37 發表
kwanlui,
你仔仔仲有乜野自閉行為呀??? 我仔仔無自閉行為的.
其實都吾可以話"仲有", 只係有時D玩車仔d WAY死板d, 可能佢本身都係死硬派
作者: Capricorn2521 時間: 09-12-14 14:13
大家都實在太熱心了，令我感激萬分。
完全明白你的意思。在早前的post已說過，kg只不過係一個社交的地方。我的主力是自己親自進行訓練。
在kg, 我是有時會陪他一起上課1/2小時的，所以不是老師說什麼我就相信，我是自己也有看見的。
而且，在家及在公園，我會多時訓練他聽指令,及教他簡單回答 (我想這是他目前最需要學習的)，有時, 爸爸也會出點鬼主意捉弄他，令他知道事情是有變化的。
這幾個月, 我帶他出街, 他有著明顯的進步，如全程1.5小時跟從我要走的方向, 沒有異議。如在大公園他走遠一點，叫他回來，他會立即走回來。可以回答簡單如係,知,好的問題。可能你們覺得沒有什麼了不起, 但在我眼中這一點點是非常珍貴的。
加上，多番查問各導師, 上bk 及參考書籍，有足夠時間及耐心,恆心 (其他我都是有點固執的..hehe), 我很有信心及清楚自己有能力訓練亞仔的。只不過, 我相信"學無止境", 所以，好鐘意問人意見,作為參考，其實自己好知道自己要什麼。
不過, 你提醍咗我，現時PST可能比較合適。Thanks a lot!
一起努力 !!!
原帖由 KwanLui 於 09-12-14 11:13 發表
以我自己既睇法呢, 一般幼稚園導師當然係話小朋友冇問題la只要佢吾係响課堂上表現差到令老師上吾到堂(因為佢地都係学校收入來源...)我仔仔2歲時响樓下既國際kinder讀2歲班-teacher都話佢okok...because he just si ...
作者: KwanLui 時間: 09-12-14 14:55
原帖由 Capricorn2521 於 09-12-14 14:13 發表
大家都實在太熱心了，令我感激萬分。
完全明白你的意思。在早前的post已說過，kg只不過係一個社交的地方。我的主力是自己親自進行訓練。
在kg, 我是有時會陪他一起上課1/2小時的，所以不是老師說什麼我就相信，我是自己也 ...
其實只有你有信心和耐性, 我地自己就係佢地最好, 最便宜抵用既老師吖 唔一定要做好貴的training, 仲要爸爸可配合就最prefect la.
(.....可以回答簡單如係,知,好的問題。可能你們覺得沒有什麼了不起.....) - 点會吖, 响呢度talk得既mama都係有個"非常B"la, 佢地一小步, 就係我地一大步吖. 上星期期BABY小組, 幾個PARENTS要互相講下BB就令你難忘的, 差吾多個個STANDARD ANSWER - 就係BB FIRST TIME TO SPEAK (清楚地)-這些看似理所當然的, 响我地呢班"非常PARENTS"係幾禁珍貴...
最後, 希望我地D BB每天進步吖 (貪心D)....
作者: Capricorn2521 時間: 09-12-14 15:05
yes, everybody.... cheer up !!!!
原帖由 KwanLui 於 09-12-14 14:55 發表
其實只有你有信心和耐性, 我地自己就係佢地最好, 最便宜抵用既老師吖 唔一定要做好貴的training, 仲要爸爸可配合就最prefect la.
(.....可以回答簡單如係,知,好的問題。可能你們覺得沒有什麼了不起.....) - 点 ...
作者: ikebukuro 時間: 09-12-14 16:14
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作者: lokmanmama 時間: 09-12-14 17:21
佢係1. 同 2. 之間.
我個st係50分配(都幾長) ..
原帖由 ikebukuro 於 09-12-14 16:14 發表
Which kind of your BB is? (1. cannot sit still & run around or 2. sit still but no response only) my BB is type 1, since I'm not sure whether my BB need to take 1-1 ot training or not? I bring him to ...
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作者: ikebukuro 時間: 09-12-14 17:26
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作者: lokmanmama 時間: 09-12-14 22:02
佢唔係坐唔定果隻, 不過,好視乎有冇野"吸引"佢坐 .
佢上st時,都成日逃走,所以要時不時要"引渡"佢回航. 個st會係堂上,有兩三part中間唱下歌仔去輕鬆下同間場,等佢冇咁悶, 我覺得都好ok.
你要睇下你個小朋友係唔係連5-10分鐘都坐唔到,佢地既專注力係咁上下短,所以,st係會用"玩具"去吸引佢地,然後先至張pre-language既skill加係裹面, 再引佢地講.
如果,你既小朋友係連5分鐘都坐唔到,又大吵大鬧, 咁當然最好係就上pst(幼兒訓練)先,去train佢地安坐同聽指令啦.
ot我重未去check. 不過,我本身覺得我個小朋友,對環境同各方面既野,都肯嘗試,唔算好唔掂, 唔肯玩果隻, 行路,行樓梯, 公園各樣野都去玩, 大肌肉都覺得ok, 所以,我唔係好心急係呢一方面. 況且, 佢係樂天亦好快有ot, 我會睇下佢地個導師點講, 再決定.
我覺得,如果, 你覺得個小朋友整體都弱, 咁就st/pst 同ot都試. 如果,佢淨係明顯其中一項弱, 咁你就先開始果part, 落多幾錢力度, 幫佢開.
如果,佢係一個"典型"既A-仔, 咁st同ot就係要一齊黎好d.
原帖由 ikebukuro 於 09-12-14 17:26 發表
what means by between 1& 2? Do u think your BB need ot training? How u judge whether your BB need to have ot or not? Thks!!
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作者: ikebukuro 時間: 09-12-15 10:29
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作者: muimui5 時間: 09-12-15 14:41
OT話我阿女是腦前庭敏感度較低，所以有搖擺/自轉等自我刺激行為。佢玩韆鞦、抱高高、星祭蜘蛛要玩得好激，未識行時坐在嬰兒車也搖到車碌離地(當時我都未唔這是感統問題)。如果OT/感统訓練真的可以令佢坐得定/專注，我當然樂意pay，事關佢唔專心，去ST真係事倍功半。不過有些私家密集訓練是唔包感统的。
Pre-nursery話佢都係坐5-10分鐘，在家玩Playdough/ sticker/ 塗鴉就可以up to 30min。但我又好怕佢坐得耐時其實墮入了重複性行為。
講起ST，我雖然喺New Page花了$1000做評估，後來還是Book了HKSSC，1月中開始每週訓練。協康每週pst也在12月底開始了。CAC至現在未夠兩個月，揾齊1vs1訓練我估都算快，若阿女跟這些導師夾得來，就真是上帝開路了。
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作者: Capricorn2521 時間: 09-12-15 17:30
個人愚見..... 其實個OT都話咗slide, swing, jump 係有幫助，你可以多d帶佢去公園slide, 睇吓人地swing, 睇多咗, tum吓佢試玩, 一步一步試，不要勉強。如佢未識jump就由你將佢送高送低。如家有地方，買個兒童彈床 (toys "r"us有售)比佢玩。至於上吾上堂，就要睇吓你自己啦.....例如.....有冇時間....基本知識....等等。初時無經驗時.....最好上堂問多D啦.....:)
原帖由 ikebukuro 於 09-12-14 16:14 發表
Which kind of your BB is? (1. cannot sit still & run around or 2. sit still but no response only) my BB is type 1, since I'm not sure whether my BB need to take 1-1 ot training or not? I bring him to ...
作者: lokmanmama 時間: 09-12-15 22:59
佢都係十問九唔應, 不過, 對某d 指令, 如 no, 坐, 俾, bye bye, 佢都ok 既.
至於ot, 我覺得係程度問題, 如果, 公園所有野佢都唔ok , 又或唔玩, 又或對好多新野都唔敢試, 咁ot應該係佢其中一個問題..但如果,佢只係某一兩樣, 咁你平時同佢玩多d , trａｉｎ下, 又或上幾堂學下d skill , 咁我諗都得.
ot係比較抽象d, 又唔係太明顯(好似同佢玩玩下) . 一般感統失調既小朋友 ( 好多係a-仔通常有既) , 佢地對一d 空間感, 聲音, 距離既感覺同正常既小朋友唔同, 佢地因為唔識得去judge個感覺, 所以對好多野又或某d野既反應係好大/又或者係冇, 又或唔敢去試. 如果,係嚴重既感統問題, 咁就會形成佢地有好多行為同情緒問題, 所以, 佢地去到一d新環境, 又或對某一d聲音,都好大反應. 又或者, 佢地係會有一d 自我剌激行為, 佢stimulate佢地某一d感覺.
如果你唔覺得係你個小朋友最弱果項, 咁你就要分先後次序去train佢最弱果d ,例如st / pst ..但如果, 佢係overall 都delay好多(包括一d 行為問題), 咁ot既stimulation 同調節都係好重要既.
原帖由 ikebukuro 於 09-12-15 10:29 發表
你小朋友平時會唔會聽你指示，定係十問九唔應果隻？其實我嗰個喺公園玩，上落樓梯，滑梯都無問題，唯獨唔敢打韆鞦，咁ot已經話有問題！所以我都唔知點介定！平常喺屋企叫佢坐定會難啲囉，但做訓練同埋認真同佢坐喺枱櫈玩一陣都可以坐到 ...
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作者: muimui5 時間: 09-12-16 13:00
I think lokmanmama's discussion is quite true.
My daughter is not having any inidividual OT. She just attends the all-round group training (Tue 4-6 pm) at Links. At the first lesson, we were requested to fill in a questionnair on the baby's habits and behaviour for SI assessment. After observing her for two lessons, the OT of that class advised that the sensitivity of the "front " of her brain is below optimum. Sensory Motor (swing/merry-go-round ...) activities can satisfy her intrinsic need for stimulation by motion. If such sense become satisfied, she will feel well-balcanced and relieved and become more patient and attentive. As far as I've learnt from other seminars, if the "front" of the brain is over-sensitive, the kid would scare skaking/turning/falling and height. But sensitivity of the "front" is only one attribute of SI (on which my daughter has some problem) and Sensory Motor seems to be the relevant type of SI training my daughter needs. I can see her enjoys the class at Links very much. Do you think the OT exaggerated the function of Sensory Motor on my girl?
Of course the pst of the class also advised me to make her sit well by household training. So I don't insist that all babies who don't sit well need SI training. I learned that the intensive course at Joyfulclass includes SI training twice a week, while the intensive course at Steps provides no SI. The intensive coruse at Links provide SI/sensory motor every day and I'm on the waiting list of this. I'm considering joining Joyfulclass too. Recently there has been quite many mama value Joyfulclass effective and caring. Yet, I haven't see any comment on the intensive course at Links. Anybody can advise?
作者: iam 時間: 09-12-16 13:49
去LINKS一定sell OT架啦，因為LINKS係OT開的嘛。Joyful同 STEP的OT係打工的，Supervise Joyful的是PST, supervise STEP的是 Clin Psy, （PST是校長），所以無咁focus入OT是唔奇。
如果你在Joyful及Step見了他們的OT，我估佢地都會叫你做OT囉。
原帖由 muimui5 於 09-12-16 13:00 發表
I think lokmanmama's discussion is quite true.
My daughter is not having any inidividual OT. She just attends the all-round group training (Tue 4-6 pm) at Links. At the first lesson, we were reque ...
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作者: iam 時間: 09-12-16 15:14
其實都要看你個小朋友情況
我個人覺得, 如果小朋友未返過學, PST 是很重要的, 可以訓練安坐, 專注, 溶入群體。PST 根本就是幼稚園老師出身的, 她們對主流及特殊need的小朋友的表現是很熟悉的, 可以比家長很多意見, esp小朋友可不可以入讀主流幼稚園, 她們是最明白的。老實說, therapists等都是大學grad後, 然後主力train有special need的小朋友, 佢地對一般小朋友的情況, esp幼稚園的教與學等, 一定無PST咁熟。
當然, 如果小朋友的語言, 大小肌與同齡等相差太遠, 真係要找therapists 幫手。但如小朋友好細, (below 2) , 都可先找PST, 因為佢地樣樣都識D, 係無therapists咁深入ge
至於個別training, or group training, 又要看小朋友情況, 記住, 個別的training是要幫助日後融入課堂學習的, 及輔助小朋友在群體學習中不能吸收的地方。所以, 應以個別為出發, 但目標就是要小朋友可以在課堂中學習囉。
所以, 是否要1:1 , 就是看小朋友與群體的差異是否大啦。
intensive group training (私人/政府 S位), 最主要是看小朋友可不可以從課堂中學習, 如小朋友的距離差好遠, 在群體中不能學習, 且又會阻礙其他小朋友學習, 當然要去S位啦。如果小朋友只係差少少, 政府service都唔會比S位, 而是I/E, 即是說小朋友可以從課堂中學習, 輔以1:1個別training而得囉。
你可以think about it 再作決定。
原帖由 ikebukuro 於 09-12-16 14:39 發表
or....., I'm sure you are right, when I called to each centre and said the situation of my son, different centre will have different advise: Joyful told me to have 1-1 pst, Links told me to have 1-1 o ...
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