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作者: daisy17772 時間: 10-2-9 13:33 標題: 考不入英基釀掟女慘劇

A sad story

7日前接通知夫妻爭執不絕
【明報專訊】深水埗西九龍中心前日發生狠母掟女兒落樓後跳樓自殺慘劇，幸4歲半女童被商場安全網承托保命，女童昨仍需留醫接受觀察，社署已為她提供情緒及心理輔導，亦會跟進其長遠福利及教育安排。據悉，女童的父母非常緊張其學業前途，一星期前接獲愛女未能升讀心儀國際學校小學部後，兩人常因此事爭拗，豈料最後演成慘劇。

丈夫殮房認屍一臉茫然
掟女落樓後縱身躍下身亡的41歲姓梁婦人，其姓容丈夫昨日早上9時許，強忍妻死女留醫的傷痛，在探員陪同下到葵涌殮房認屍。其間有人向警員透露妻子有潔癖，性格執著，兩人前日到酒樓用膳前，曾就女兒升學問題發生爭執，但用膳期間或之後已停止討論，他對妻子掟女自殺行徑大感愕然。容某在殮房時一臉茫然，認屍後由探員驅車接載離去。
英基學校協會中心發言人證實，案中4歲半女童為英基青衣國際幼稚園K2學生，早前曾遞交表格申請升讀英基屬下的畢架山小學，但經過面試甄選，本月1日校方以電郵通知其家長指申請失敗。校方暫時仍未與女童的父親取得聯絡，但強調若有需要，可向對方或其他學生家長提供輔導。

稚女住院觀察情况穩定
社署發言人指出，女童仍然在明愛醫院接受觀察，情况穩定。院方臨牀心理學家已為女童提供情緒及心理輔導，醫務社工將跟進個案。另外，香港家庭福利會深水埗西綜合家庭服務中心人員已聯絡女童的父親，協助女童的長遠福利及教育安排，將全力支援該家庭。

張建宗(

相關)﹕夫婦要心平氣和
勞工及福利局長張建宗表示，對事件感到非常難過，認為夫婦因子女問題發生爭執時，要心平氣和及冷靜處理，不要將孩子當作發泄對象，不應剝奪孩子的生存權利。他強調，輕生絕不可接受，辦法總比困難多，父母遇到困難可尋求協助，一定有解決問題的方法。
墮樓慘案現場深水埗西九龍中心，設於4樓中庭的尼龍安全網，仍留下女死者墮下時撞穿的約1米闊大洞，而女死者在商場大堂的倒斃位置，則如常放置賀年擺設，商場仍然人流如鯽。
事發於前日下午1時許，梁婦疑因女兒升學問題與丈夫爭執後，在西九龍中心在7樓將女兒掟落樓再跳樓，結果女兒奇蹟獲救，梁婦則當場斃命。

作者: tamm 時間: 10-2-9 14:26

I think ESF should close their kinder if they cannot offer seats to a reasonable % of their students. They have done poorly in managing parent's expectation this year!

作者: macaron 時間: 10-2-9 14:37

agree agree!

作者: pslma 時間: 10-2-9 14:44

我本來還考慮送女兒去英基, 現在不去了 ! 學校怎可以讓孩子讀了2年英文後不優先讓孩子升讀同系小學呢 ? 結果孩子不中不西, 好事成了壞事, 家長怎麼辦 ? 本人很同情該夫婦的困境, 但稚女無罪, 其母行為不可取! 教署跟該校都要為此事負責 !

作者: tamm 時間: 10-2-9 14:52

原帖由 pslma 於 10-2-9 14:44 發表
我本來還考慮送女兒去英基, 現在不去了 ! 學校怎可以讓孩子讀了2年英文後不優先讓孩子升讀同系小學呢 ? 結果孩子不中不西, 好事成了壞事, 家長怎麼辦 ? 本人很同情該夫婦的困境, 但稚女無罪, 其母行為不可取! 教署 ...

From what I read here, ESF kinder is not really teaching the kids anything. I feel sorry that the parents paid so much to the school for the priority but eventually get no offer. At the same time, the kid "wasted" their most valuable learing period and get stuck because they have not equipied themselves enough to go other IS nor local schools.

作者: WYmom 時間: 10-2-9 14:57

原帖由 pslma 於 10-2-9 14:44 發表
我本來還考慮送女兒去英基, 現在不去了 ! 學校怎可以讓孩子讀了2年英文後不優先讓孩子升讀同系小學呢 ? 結果孩子不中不西, 好事成了壞事, 家長怎麼辦 ? 本人很同情該夫婦的困境, 但稚女無罪, 其母行為不可取! 教署 ...

ESF kinders' students already have priorities to ESF primary schools, but the kids need to pass the interview. The kinders accept students on first come first serve basis without interview.

Parents should have backup plans no matter which primary school they are applying. It is really sad that the mother in this case was going too extreme and irrational in handling things. How come the school and ED should be responsible for her death??

作者: reneeleung 時間: 10-2-9 15:00

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作者: strayteddy 時間: 10-2-9 15:05

現在說這些說話有用嗎？請問你認識事主一家嗎？有事情的第一手資料嗎？每年都有人考不上，發生今次事件是常態嗎？拜託，別再在傷口上洒盬，事件已夠令人難過。

原帖由 tamm 於 10-2-9 14:52 發表
From what I read here, ESF kinder is not really teaching the kids anything. I feel sorry that the parents paid so much to the school for the priority but eventually get no offer. At the same time, the kid "wasted" their most valuable learing period and get stuck because they have not equipied themselves enough to go other IS nor local schools.

I think ESF should close their kinder if they cannot offer seats to a reasonable % of their students.
They have done poorly in managing parent's expectation this year!..

[ 本帖最後由 strayteddy 於 10-2-9 15:15 編輯 ]

作者: strayteddy 時間: 10-2-9 15:08

送孩子入哪間學校是家長的選擇，學校講得清清楚楚，不是直升，家長要怎麼辦由家長決定。

原帖由 pslma 於 10-2-9 14:44 發表
我本來還考慮送女兒去英基, 現在不去了 ! 學校怎可以讓孩子讀了2年英文後不優先讓孩子升讀同系小學呢 ? 結果孩子不中不西, 好事成了壞事, 家長怎麼辦 ? 本人很同情該夫婦的困境, 但稚女無罪, 其母行為不可取! 教署 ...

作者: oooray 時間: 10-2-9 15:09

原帖由 strayteddy 於 10-2-9 15:05 發表
拜託，別再在傷口上洒盬。

Yes. Interesting parties please open a NEW THREAD discussing ESF kindergarten quality.

作者: jjd 時間: 10-2-9 15:11

Yes, as from day one, all ESF kinder parents were informed that there would be no guarantee that their children would be accepted by an ESF primary school. They only have a higher priority to be interviewed. They need to equip their children to pass the admission screening in order to secure a seat in an ESF primary school. That is the rule of the game and I am sure every ESF parent is well informed of that. True I pity the little girl, her dad and even her mum but I don't think putting the blame on ESF or the government can be justified.

原帖由 reneeleung 於 10-2-9 15:00 發表
Agreed 「稚女無罪, 其母行為不可取!」, 但不同意要教署和英基負責.

英基幼稚園在他們的入學簡介己清清楚楚列明幼稚園只是有INTERVIEW的優先條件.

英基到現在為止都是我的首選, 但如果我的小朋友沒有英基小學收的 ...

作者: Mighty 時間: 10-2-9 15:16

当然無人想見到此事、実在是悲劇。　　丈夫同小朋友永遠都会留下陰影。　　但説学校同政府要負責、又講不過去。　　看看比率、便知不会所有ＥＳＦ　ＫＩＮＤＥＲ　会升ＥＳＦ　ＰＲＩＭＡＲＹ的、但家長仍然選択讀ＥＳＦ　ＫＩＮＤＥＲ、応該有心理準備個「万一」。　　世事怎能尽如人意。　　如果ＥＳＦ　ＫＩＮＤＥＲ真的ＭＡＮＡＧＥ得不好、便会自然「流失」。　　不是ＥＳＦ　ＫＩＮＤＥＲ的、入了ＥＳＦ　ＰＲＩＭＡＲＹ、大有人在。　　又或者現在是流行「抵頼」文化？　　或許哪位女士本身情緒有問題、我不知。但連大人都這様容易放棄、小朋友如何面対人生更大的挫折？

作者: Pianokc 時間: 10-2-9 15:27

This was indeed a very sad story.

However, the school and Education Bureau, and the society cannot be blamed for this tragedy.

It was simply an impulse and sudden accident.

If every mother had to jump and kill herself if the child didn't get into her "target" school.... I think many many of us would be dead already.

It's too bad she chose to resolve the problem this way.

作者: cocobean225 時間: 10-2-9 15:30

作者: reneeleung 時間: 10-2-9 15:43

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作者: sophia1201 時間: 10-2-9 21:39

I thought for those from esf kinder, if they fail the p1 interview, they can schedule a second interview a few month later? and most kids will pass the second interview after having "chicken essense" English class for several month.

作者: almom 時間: 10-2-9 21:45

原帖由 pslma 於 10-2-9 14:44 發表
我本來還考慮送女兒去英基, 現在不去了 ! 學校怎可以讓孩子讀了2年英文後不優先讓孩子升讀同系小學呢 ? 結果孩子不中不西, 好事成了壞事, 家長怎麼辦 ? 本人很同情該夫婦的困境, 但稚女無罪, 其母行為不可取! 教署 ...

Since when did ESF promised that every single ESF kindergarten child wil be granted a place in an ESF primary school?

作者: happyvalley 時間: 10-2-9 21:55

原帖由 reneeleung 於 10-2-9 15:43 發表
From the ESF pri sch and "REAL" Cat 1 parents viewpoints, they also don't like too much English as second lang. children studying with their kids, right?

Learning is not only sch responsibility, but ...

下次唔知到邊間

作者: reneeleung 時間: 10-2-10 00:08

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作者: rach_mama 時間: 10-2-10 00:09

原帖由 pslma 於 10-2-9 14:44 發表
我本來還考慮送女兒去英基, 現在不去了 ! 學校怎可以讓孩子讀了2年英文後不優先讓孩子升讀同系小學呢 ? 結果孩子不中不西, 好事成了壞事, 家長怎麼辦 ? 本人很同情該夫婦的困境, 但稚女無罪, 其母行為不可取! 教署 ...

you're right! "....結果孩子不中不西..."

Not lot of parents who are targeting ESF school can afford any other more expensive IS. Therefore, they are hanging their child middle of no where once they failed to admit ESF primary.

Frankly speaking, IS path is kind of one way where it's really hard for those kids to switch back to local stream due to the chinese level. Therefore, it's really sad to hear the news above and I believe this is the pressure that most of those target ESF parents are facing all the time.

I am not ESF parent yet. But, I am one of those who are facing the pressure I mentioned above....

作者: Cherishvalue 時間: 10-2-10 10:26 標題: 不中不西???

Just would like to share our experience.....

We are Cantonese speaking family.

My boy went to a real IS kindergarten (not ESF though) and spent a year with ESF primary school. We switched him back to a local primary school at 6-year old.

I have to admit that it took a little while for him to get used to the "new" environment - learning Chinese/doing assignment on a daily basis. But frankly speaking, the difficulties are not as big as quoted here. Not easy but manageable.

原帖由 rach_mama 於 10-2-10 00:09 發表

you're right! "....結果孩子不中不西..."

Not lot of parents who are targeting ESF school can afford any other more expensive IS. Therefore, they are hanging their child middle of no where once they ...

作者: 可愛小肥媽 時間: 10-2-10 10:31

May I ask why you transfer your son back to a local school?

原帖由 Cherishvalue 於 10-2-10 10:26 發表
Just would like to share our experience.....

We are Cantonese speaking family.

My boy went to a real IS kindergarten (not ESF though) and spent a year with ESF primary school. We switched him back ...

作者: Cherishvalue 時間: 10-2-10 10:59

A mixture of reasons wo!

Just want to share that no school is perfect!

原帖由 可愛小肥媽 於 10-2-10 10:31 發表
May I ask why you transfer your son back to a local school?

作者: AP 時間: 10-2-10 12:20

100% agree

原帖由 reneeleung 於 10-2-9 15:00 發表
Agreed 「稚女無罪, 其母行為不可取!」, 但不同意要教署和英基負責.

英基幼稚園在他們的入學簡介己清清楚楚列明幼稚園只是有INTERVIEW的優先條件.

英基到現在為止都是我的首選, 但如果我的小朋友沒有英基小學收的 ...

作者: reneeleung 時間: 10-2-10 13:39

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作者: rach_mama 時間: 10-2-10 18:08

原帖由 Cherishvalue 於 10-2-10 10:26 發表
Just would like to share our experience.....

We are Cantonese speaking family.

My boy went to a real IS kindergarten (not ESF though) and spent a year with ESF primary school. We switched him back ...

You're right IF a Cantonese speaking family. We are not full cantonese speaking family at least I myself is not from HK originally although I'm a chinese in racial. I don't write traditional chinese at all.

That's why my path is one way...

作者: Mighty 時間: 10-2-10 19:48

Lots of mainland chinese teens learn traditional chinese easily. So I am sure your young child wl hv no problem if you choose to go to a local school.

作者: Cherishvalue 時間: 10-2-10 23:07

Of course it would be difficult if both parents do not understand Chinese!

原帖由 rach_mama 於 10-2-10 18:08 發表

You're right IF a Cantonese speaking family. We are not full cantonese speaking family at least I myself is not from HK originally although I'm a chinese in racial. I don't write traditional chinese ...

作者: pingoj 時間: 10-2-11 01:29

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作者: rach_mama 時間: 10-2-11 23:30

原帖由 Cherishvalue 於 10-2-10 23:07 發表
Of course it would be difficult if both parents do not understand Chinese!

exactly.....

作者: pslma 時間: 10-2-11 23:58

當然我們不可以每件事都說成社會的錯、別人的錯、政府的錯。我說政府及學校要負責的, 不是哪女人為何尋死, 而是要檢討為何明知學額不足, 為何仍讓學校開辦幼稚園呢 ? 不錯, 學校巳經預先聲明只有優先面試及不保證學位, 但所有做生意的人都知道何為先小人後君子, 我先講明條款, 願者上釣, 日後你達不到要求續不了約便你死你事, 但是這是做生意呀, 不應用同樣的手法放在孩子的身上呀 ! 孩子念了2年英語後無法上去同系小學, 不中不西, 然後再叫小孩去適應全然不同的環境, 你們當他們是實驗品嗎 ? 如果明知小一學額不足以容納所有esf kinder, 哪esf還是不要開設幼稚園好了,讓所有有足夠英語能力的孩子小一才考進去便好, 免得教了2年不再教, 叫人無所適從.

原帖由 reneeleung 於 10-2-9 15:00 發表
Agreed 「稚女無罪, 其母行為不可取!」, 但不同意要教署和英基負責.

英基幼稚園在他們的入學簡介己清清楚楚列明幼稚園只是有INTERVIEW的優先條件.

英基到現在為止都是我的首選, 但如果我的小朋友沒有英基小學收的 ...

作者: strayteddy 時間: 10-2-12 11:40

要小孩去做實驗品的是家長，全港不是只有英基幼稚園，家長明知有風險還是要把孩子送進去，又不鋪好後路，這不是家長的責任，是誰的責任?

依你的邏輯，小學不全收同系幼稚園學生的所有辦學團體，也應關掉幼稚園吧！

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作者: reneeleung 時間: 10-2-12 12:01

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作者: CSJ安樂窩 時間: 10-2-12 13:26

你的諗法我好難明白, 以你所講, 你都要鬧下民生書院?因為民生小學都只會收到65%左右自己幼稚園學生, 請問有問題嗎?

你要明白priority for interview只係interview, bottom line是你的小朋友要PASS, 冇錯, ESF的kinder未必係最好, 但想問下, 佢地既kinder student有幾多個係冇得interview for ESF primary呢? 我相信係'無', 全數都有得Interview, 只係有好多係FAIL, 但你可以出去問下其他international kinder, 有幾多Cat. 2係冇得interview 呢? 答案係'好多'.

好似你咁唔理解ESF system既家長, 最好都係唔好比小朋友讀ESF 學校, 免得將來有misunderstanding.

原帖由 pslma 於 10-2-11 23:58 發表
當然我們不可以每件事都說成社會的錯、別人的錯、政府的錯。我說政府及學校要負責的, 不是哪女人為何尋死, 而是要檢討為何明知學額不足, 為何仍讓學校開辦幼稚園呢 ? 不錯, 學校巳經預先聲明只有優先面試及不保證學 ...

作者: Kareese 時間: 10-2-12 19:32

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作者: AL_mom 時間: 10-2-13 12:10

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作者: strayteddy 時間: 10-2-13 18:05

No one has the official figures yet. It is too early to draw the conclusion.

原帖由 CSJ安樂窩 於 10-2-12 13:26 發表
全數都有得Interview, 只係有好多係FAIL

作者: strayteddy 時間: 10-2-13 18:06

ESF kindergartens teach in English but do not teach English. In the interview, the primary schools look for readiness, including maturity, for an English primary curriculum.

原帖由 AL_mom 於 10-2-13 12:10 發表
ESF primary interview 並不難. 只需基本口語溝通, 相信考過的人都會同意. 小孩在全英文幼稚園讀了兩年, 連基本口語溝通都不行, 學校是否也該檢討?

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作者: jonvan 時間: 10-3-9 21:54

a very sad story indeed, but the mom had no right to take her little girl with her!

as from day one all esf kinder's been informed they only have a higher priority to be interviewed, so everyone should have a back up plan if u are in cat 2... that is totally why i rejected the offer from esf kinder, i rather have my girl studying in an IS kinder n being able to learn how to read n write then just buying for a higher priority interview place as it seems to be at esf kinder!

作者: pslma 時間: 10-3-15 14:56

民生書院 ? 戒毒果間 ? muk有kindergarten ??

原帖由 CSJ安樂窩 於 10-2-12 13:26 發表
你的諗法我好難明白, 以你所講, 你都要鬧下民生書院?因為民生小學都只會收到65%左右自己幼稚園學生, 請問有問題嗎?

你要明白priority for interview只係interview, bottom line是你的小朋友要PASS, 冇錯, ESF的kin ...

作者: strayteddy 時間: 10-3-16 00:14

What a joke!

The drug rehab school on Lantau is called Zheng Sheng while Munsang College which has secondary, primary and kindergarten section is in Kowloon City.

原帖由 pslma 於 10-3-15 14:56 發表
民生書院 ? 戒毒果間 ? muk有kindergarten ??

作者: sllee 時間: 10-5-30 23:41

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作者: Darth 時間: 10-5-31 09:27

真無聊
無端端 UP 個 TOPIC 上黎

作者: sllee 時間: 10-5-31 14:39

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作者: Mighty 時間: 10-5-31 20:14

我又幾賛成DARTH的講法、因你所謂SHARING同這個THREAD無甚関係、這個TOPIC的新聞其実真的是人間悲劇、事情都過去了、痛苦的家属相信応該不想其他人旧事重提。　你的SHARING可以自開標題、相信応該有人願意INPUT的。　其実看你的文章、倒覚得有点「曬命格」呢！
定係是辞不達意、不過FORUM是FORUM,不用動気。

作者: sllee 時間: 10-6-1 09:58 標題: Thanks Mighty

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作者: c200 時間: 10-6-1 10:55

If anyone wants to secure a space for the kid, please try to communicate with you kid in English as much as possible.

I totally agree with you,this is the most important point to get into ESF Primary school

作者: jediknight 時間: 10-6-1 12:34

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作者: Mighty 時間: 10-6-1 13:30

Yup I second Jediknight. Dont even think about asking your helpers to train your kids' English. Using your own native language is the best whenever possible.

作者: rogerc 時間: 10-6-1 17:43

Can't agreed more...use your native language is the best for your kid.. I feel upset / disgrace when a local HK parent communicates ( or talks ) with their kid in English in public places such as MTR / BUS / Kindergarten / playground but the accent is being localized. Would you expect the kid can grasp the aspiration of the language??? I don't think so.

It may causes speech delay in a sense that worsen your kid total development. Not all the young child is able to manage two languages at the same time.

If you want your kid with good English speech / use abilty, you may start make friends with real foreigners and arrange your kid to play with them..this is more effective than paying fee to join play group or language training session.

歡迎光臨教育王國 (/)