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標題: 看完德望中學年報, 你會選讀德望, 還是九龍塘宣小? [打印本頁]

作者: Jackie310    時間: 11-2-24 13:57     標題: 看完德望中學年報, 你會選讀德望, 還是九龍塘宣小?

看完德望中學2009-10 Annual School Report, 你會選讀德望, 還是九龍塘宣小?

http://www.ghs.edu.hk/plans_repo ... ol_report_09-10.pdf
作者: DaddyX    時間: 11-2-24 14:17

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作者: DGJS    時間: 11-2-24 15:12

其實我都是德望的擁躉!

其他thread都討論過。其實都是中學部的事,我認為對小學部影響輕微。

幾年前的新中學校長"用人為親" (其實見仁見智),安插親信,大事改革,把曾得過獎的教師也逼走。最近期的報告反映其結果!中學校長罕有地在學期未完結前離職!

以上所講未經證實。亦可能不是事實的全部。不過離職前又有單審計事件,已離職校長都難解釋!

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作者: twinsstar1    時間: 11-2-24 15:39

yes ...quite a no. of them go to overseas uni too. And also many go to overseas after F.1-5

And afterall, as discussed in another thread, you can't just look at data of one single year.

原帖由 DaddyX 於 11-2-24 14:17 發表
Other 可以係Overseas

會唔會D人有$左?

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作者: jaycee_mami    時間: 11-2-24 15:54

page 9 的數據令人有點意外!
作者: lyhv    時間: 11-2-24 16:04

原帖由 jaycee_mami 於 11-2-24 15:54 發表
page 9 的數據令人有點意外!


high dip + others 有接近6成, 太誇張吧~~~這是FORM 7 成績噃~~
作者: 小曳人    時間: 11-2-24 17:12

之前有朋友同我講過呢個問題, 我check過.. 係轉直資嘅第一年畢業生
我相信係呢個原因..
咪俾自己幾年時間, 睇吓之後點囉! 唔好咪揾過第二間中學囉!

btw, 如果我自己有女~ 都唔會俾佢讀GH, 係我心目中, 佢唔算係一間成績好好嘅學校, 起碼5 banding年代, 佢唔係band 1! (我母校升唔到中四嘅同學, 當中被派去GH讀) 當然~ 轉咗直資令佢對中產多咗分吸引力, 希望佢之後可以做好d.. 令我呢d有偏見嘅人跌眼鏡啦~
作者: brian61950    時間: 11-2-24 18:30

睇唔睇也不是我那杯茶·
作者: 小天使kiki    時間: 11-2-24 18:37

Jackie, 你同我煩埋同一個問題,我都真係未決定到,但佢嘅result真令我太驚訝
作者: meimeimama1    時間: 11-2-24 20:56

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作者: Jackie310    時間: 11-2-24 21:39

原帖由 小天使kiki 於 11-2-24 18:37 發表
Jackie, 你同我煩埋同一個問題,我都真係未決定到,但佢嘅result真令我太驚訝


係呀!德望小學既學生大部份可以上番佢哋既中學本來係小學既優勢嚟,如果升大學既情況係咁,真係令人擔心喎!比咁貴既學費都無保證。似乎宣小有好多好既comment,K3校網又靚,又可以考直資,選擇較多,但要承受升中呈分既壓力,但我仍覺得宣小係唸得過。
作者: 小天使kiki    時間: 11-2-24 22:07

宣小絕對讀得過,佢d評價真係好好,尤其而幾年越來越好,其實當初驚六年後又係考番德中好傻所以諗住讀德小,但而家德中咁差,動搖咗
作者: 小天使kiki    時間: 11-2-24 22:11

雖然德中成績差咗,但我又覺得德小又好好,尤其英文,所以都諗緊如果德小後唔升德中可以去邊?你女女邊間幼稚園,我由SC轉咗去德幼K3
作者: angrybirds    時間: 11-2-24 22:20

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作者: fishcakes    時間: 11-2-24 23:11

唉!真係抺一額汗,好彩當年冇揀佢,唔係又比C6話我揀錯嘢,其實我都知佢中學有好多讀讀下就會出國,不過真係冇諗過入本地U率咁低
作者: fishcakes    時間: 11-2-24 23:14

唔係而家啦, 一早知,只不過有太多家長以為有中學做backup就天下無敵啫
原帖由 angrybirds 於 11-2-24 22:20 發表
GH而家真係好唔店

作者: angrybirds    時間: 11-2-24 23:30

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作者: DGJS    時間: 11-2-25 09:27

又不要這樣說, 2009年前 (資深教師離開前)的成績都是很好的。


德望中學現在要做的是要想辦法從回軌道。



原帖由 angrybirds 於 11-2-24 23:30 發表
校長鐘意炒股、炒基金同放數多過教人,你話死唔死?

作者: Jackie310    時間: 11-2-25 09:55     標題: 回覆 18# DGJS 的文章

係有幾個資深既英文教師離開...
作者: jpang0107    時間: 11-2-25 10:09

如果唔上GOOD HOPE 中學, 就真係唔好選GOOD HOPE 小學LA..黃大仙個中學網一定無九龍塘甘好!
作者: 小天使kiki    時間: 11-2-25 10:58

D成績到底會唔會好得番?走咗嘅老師會唔會返去?
作者: 小曳人    時間: 11-2-25 11:34

原帖由 小天使kiki 於 11-2-25 10:58 發表
D成績到底會唔會好得番?走咗嘅老師會唔會返去?


良好學習氣氛..應該由"收生"嗰邊著手, 效益會更快 (所以我"買"佢之後會有進步架!)
真正熱門名校, 好成績從來唔係由老師度嚟嘅, 學生個個自動波, 老師好得閒架!
舊老師當然唔會返轉頭, 亦無需咁做!
作者: 35C9    時間: 11-2-25 11:55

原帖由 小曳人 於 11-2-25 11:34 發表


良好學習氣氛..應該由"收生"嗰邊著手, 效益會更快 (所以我"買"佢之後會有進步架!)
真正熱門名校, 好成績從來唔係由老師度嚟嘅, 學生個個自動波, 老師好得閒架!
舊老師當然唔會返轉頭, 亦無需咁做! ...


你講野真係好鬼死有道理呀, 好學校, 係入面, 你覺得有一股強大的讀書風氣, 個個以讀書為重任, 宣小個個都以考劍橋英文試, 皇家音樂試為榮 ! 不過, 頂唔頂得順就.... 見人見智.
你頂唔順走, 唔緊要, 你唔讀, 大把人爭左入去讀.
作者: 小曳人    時間: 11-2-25 12:11

原帖由 35C9 於 11-2-25 11:55 發表


你講野真係好鬼死有道理呀, 好學校, 係入面, 你覺得有一股強大的讀書風氣, 個個以讀書為重任, 宣小個個都以考劍橋英文試, 皇家音樂試為榮 ! 不過, 頂唔頂得順就.... 見人見智.
你頂唔順走, 唔緊要, 你唔 ...


呢個係我親身經歷
話說以前官校係鐵飯碗, 唔鍾意個老師, 校長最多要求調走佢 (升職!!) 當年我响某新開官校讀預科, 教Kings多年嘅廢柴Chem 佬自己同我地講: 以前d學生自己讀書, 有問題就問.. 唔駛點教嘅...

所以~ 千其唔好覺得响名校教嘅老師就係好嘢!
我身邊都有幾個好有心嘅老師, 佢地都唔係响名校教
作者: overview    時間: 11-2-25 12:31

呢d可能係錯配, 有心教學的老師去到band 3學校教書, 見到d學生根本無心向學, 任憑老師幾有心又有何用呢 ?

幾時讀書都要靠自己, 好學的學生就算老師教唔明, 佢哋都會憑上進心自己去搵答案, 解決難題, 如真係遇到好老師就係bonus.

原帖由 小曳人 於 11-2-25 12:11 發表


呢個係我親身經歷
話說以前官校係鐵飯碗, 唔鍾意個老師, 校長最多要求調走佢 (升職!!) 當年我响某新開官校讀預科, 教Kings多年嘅廢柴Chem 佬自己同我地講: 以前d學生自己讀書, 有問題就問.. 唔駛點教嘅...
:igiveu ...

作者: easybring    時間: 11-2-25 12:51

我都係買佢有進步, 係落重注係d家長身上...學校都係好需要家長的"協助"!  good hopers' parents 要交學費之餘, 都要比心機"配合"學校lor.

原帖由 小曳人 於 11-2-25 11:34 發表


良好學習氣氛..應該由"收生"嗰邊著手, 效益會更快 (所以我"買"佢之後會有進步架!)
真正熱門名校, 好成績從來唔係由老師度嚟嘅, 學生個個自動波, 老師好得閒架!
舊老師當然唔會返轉頭, 亦無需咁做! ...

作者: DGJS    時間: 11-2-25 13:28

一間有良好歷史的學校有其持之以恆的制度。名校之所以是名校並不是一間新學校搞一個新理念就得。好的理念也要能實行出來才成。


德望09年的退步,我並不認為她那屆的學生特別差。這剛好證明好學校,好制度,好老師對學生的重要。這亦是父母為什麼要找好學校的其中一個原因。

原帖由 小曳人 於 11-2-25 11:34 發表


良好學習氣氛..應該由"收生"嗰邊著手, 效益會更快 (所以我"買"佢之後會有進步架!)
真正熱門名校, 好成績從來唔係由老師度嚟嘅, 學生個個自動波, 老師好得閒架!
舊老師當然唔會返轉頭, 亦無需咁做! ...

作者: Jackie310    時間: 11-2-25 13:29

咁6年後可能會有唔同既景象, 無人可以預計到...
作者: DGJS    時間: 11-2-25 13:43

正是。但Good Hope的基礎應該未變。特別是小學部.





原帖由 Jackie310 於 11-2-25 13:29 發表
咁6年後可能會有唔同既景象, 無人可以預計到...

作者: easybring    時間: 11-2-25 15:30

望佢不要革新,注重番傳統和成績,留住小學生升中學部。
作者: twinsstar1    時間: 11-2-25 15:39

As i know, there were A LOT of good students went to study F.6 in other schools (free of charge) /  international schools or overseas secondary schools after F5. Plus a lot of them leaving in F.1-4 (to other top schools and overseas). That;s why those leaving behind might not be the brightest ones. And some bright ones went to overseas to study uni too.

One of the reasons might be the school fee difference 0f  studying in International schools / overseas & ghs F67 isnt that big. ANd the parents of that year probably didn't expect to pay any school fees when they were admitted to p1 in Ghs.

ANyway... just the university entry data of a single year can't tell the overall performance of the school. If you try to go through the reports of those elite schools, you would probably find that there are ups and downs in different years of university entry data and public exam results.


係呀!德望小學既學生大部份可以上番佢哋既中學本來係小學既優勢嚟,如果升大學既情況係咁,真係令人擔心喎!比咁貴既學費都無保證。似乎宣小有好多好既comment,K3校網又靚,又可以考直資,選擇較多,但要承受升中呈分既壓力,但我 ... [/quote]
作者: jaycee_mami    時間: 11-2-25 15:56

原帖由 easybring 於 11-2-25 12:51 發表
我都係買佢有進步, 係落重注係d家長身上...學校都係好需要家長的"協助"!  good hopers' parents 要交學費之餘, 都要比心機"配合"學校lor.



小學生就話家長可以配合和協助, 但中學生, 就無得再靠家長, 家長最多係俾錢子女去補習.  所以老師和朋輩對中學生相對重要, 當然, 幾年後的事無人知, 可能德望愈辦愈好呢.
作者: dad1234    時間: 11-2-25 18:51

原帖由 overview 於 11-2-25 12:31 發表
呢d可能係錯配, 有心教學的老師去到band 3學校教書, 見到d學生根本無心向學, 任憑老師幾有心又有何用呢 ?

幾時讀書都要靠自己, 好學的學生就算老師教唔明, 佢哋都會憑上進心自己去搵答案, 解決難題, 如真係遇到好老 ...

我都有親戚朋友教書,教band1同教band3真係好唔同.
有教band1老師去教band3學校,根本唔識處理學生書本以外既問題,又見過有教band3老師去教band1學校,比學生問到唔識答,英語又講得唔好,其實band1band3老師都各有所長,真係無必要殺band3學校.
作者: angrybirds    時間: 11-2-25 21:13

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作者: icbb1230    時間: 11-2-26 00:01

唔係呀,咁大投資要自己日日睇,呢個世界有investment bank 幫手睇㗎 (e.g. Goldman Sachs)。

其實,呢單嘢我又唔係咁反感,攞去投資D錢係咪全部都係政府俾
作者: angrybirds    時間: 11-2-26 21:31

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作者: crystalwsm    時間: 11-2-26 22:22

其實宣小係咪真係好好?我個女好榮幸考入咗,但佢資質麻麻,我驚課程深得滯佢頂唔順,但見佢小六派位結果又好吸引,仲十五十六...........

原帖由 35C9 於 11-2-25 11:55 發表


你講野真係好鬼死有道理呀, 好學校, 係入面, 你覺得有一股強大的讀書風氣, 個個以讀書為重任, 宣小個個都以考劍橋英文試, 皇家音樂試為榮 ! 不過, 頂唔頂得順就.... 見人見智.
你頂唔順走, 唔緊要, 你唔 ...

作者: nicolemummy    時間: 11-2-27 00:25

搭嘴....我都係每日對住部bloomberg機, 我睇d portfolio都係球球計, 不過我都心機理其他野... 因為d錢唔係我嘛....

講下笑, 唔好太認真.

原帖由 angrybirds 於 11-2-25 21:13 發表


如果你每日對住部大利市或BLOOMBERG機睇住一個7、8千萬既PORTFOLIO上上落落,仲有冇心機理其它野?

作者: Jackie310    時間: 11-2-27 02:46

原帖由 crystalwsm 於 11-2-26 22:22 發表
其實宣小係咪真係好好?我個女好榮幸考入咗,但佢資質麻麻,我驚課程深得滯佢頂唔順,但見佢小六派位結果又好吸引,仲十五十六...........



小朋友既資質未定既,可能佢讀得嚟呢!唔試吓又點知佢唔得呢?我有朋友既女係宣小讀近小一,佢好滿意喎!
作者: meimeimama1    時間: 11-2-27 18:07

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作者: crystalwsm    時間: 11-2-27 18:22

多謝你嘅安慰,自己個女有幾多料自己點會唔知,有無APS嘅家長可以分享下課程有幾深??

原帖由 Jackie310 於 11-2-27 02:46 發表


小朋友既資質未定既,可能佢讀得嚟呢!唔試吓又點知佢唔得呢?我有朋友既女係宣小讀近小一,佢好滿意喎!

作者: TelleTelleMom    時間: 11-2-27 23:26

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作者: Jackie310    時間: 11-2-28 13:38

原帖由 meimeimama1 於 11-2-27 18:07 發表
其實GH小學d女仔
多唔多升返中學部
如果唔入GH中學會去邊?


呢個問題既答案係佢地個網站係搵唔到既...可能要有囡囡讀近GH既媽咪先會知..
作者: meimeimama1    時間: 11-2-28 18:45

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作者: crystalwsm    時間: 11-2-28 21:04

我相信TelleTelleMom講的係APS


原帖由 meimeimama1 於 11-2-28 18:45 發表

"your son"
我以GH係女校tim...

作者: crystalwsm    時間: 11-2-28 21:05

多謝你的分享

原帖由 TelleTelleMom 於 11-2-27 23:26 發表
My son is now studying in P1.  He enjoys his school life very much because of 1) caring teachers; 2) not too much homework; 3) little holiday homework.  However, APS students need to spend more time o ...

作者: elmolly    時間: 11-3-1 00:23

原帖由 Jackie310 於 11-2-28 13:38 發表


呢個問題既答案係佢地個網站係搵唔到既...可能要有囡囡讀近GH既媽咪先會知..


中學部會收90%左右小學部既學生
作者: DGJS    時間: 11-3-1 09:31

如果是真的,正面去看,九成都能原校升讀。負面去看,只有一成人走得到。

原帖由 elmolly 於 11-3-1 00:23 發表


中學部會收90%左右小學部既學生

作者: meimeimama1    時間: 11-3-1 09:43

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作者: easybring    時間: 11-3-1 11:34

我聽高小家長講, 佢地都想直升中學部, 只有"學費"問題才會轉其他中學or有幾個去dgs.

早幾年的小學家長expect升津貼ghs, 而家轉左直資, 學費又唔平, 成績好既學生有好中學收, 都會轉走.  呢幾年家長心態都唔同, 成績好的學生應該多數留低升中學部.  如果經濟好, 搵到錢, 家長會願意交學費.

我估協恩也會經歷幾年的成績起落(只是估計), 成績起落不全是學校的問題, 收生質素也有影響, 對學校來說, 收甚麼學生也一樣教, 讀書不靈敏的孩子也是孩子, 只是家長看重學校有幾多個狀元.  看清楚一點, 如果自己囡囡成績不錯又乖, 已經十分好啦....想全世界狀元, then沒有狀元了!

[ 本帖最後由 easybring 於 11-3-1 11:55 編輯 ]
作者: 國家    時間: 11-3-1 11:40

想問GH小學及中學的學費幾錢? Thanks.
作者: easybring    時間: 11-3-1 11:54

小學:
http://www.chsc.hk/primary/tc/schooldetail.asp?sch_id=254&viewpart=2

中學:
http://www.chsc.hk/secondary/tc/schooldetail.asp?sch_id=1457&scl_District=local&District=

原帖由 國家 於 11-3-1 11:40 發表
想問GH小學及中學的學費幾錢? Thanks.

作者: TelleTelleMom    時間: 11-3-1 22:58

本帖最後由 TelleTelleMom 於 16-8-20 22:52 編輯

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作者: twinsstar1    時間: 11-3-1 23:13

yes .. the good ones might choose to go to DGS, St Paul Coed / MCS ...

原帖由 easybring 於 11-3-1 11:34 發表
我聽高小家長講, 佢地都想直升中學部, 只有"學費"問題才會轉其他中學or有幾個去dgs.

早幾年的小學家長expect升津貼ghs, 而家轉左直資, 學費又唔平, 成績好既學生有好中學收, 都會轉走.  呢幾年家長心態都唔同, 成績 ...

作者: Jackie310    時間: 11-3-1 23:16

GH中學學費貴,特別係高中。小一仲係大班教學,45人一班,小朋友要好專心同好乖先得,老師睇唔到咁多,不過都好有經驗教大班。
作者: twinsstar1    時間: 11-3-1 23:22

Guess if they chose to study in ghs primary, most have planned (or satisified) to stay in its secondary ... so pretty normal to have 90% staying in the end?! I can't see the negative implication here....

honestly, if your kids are bright, they'll be able to get into DGS, SPCC, MCS in the end, no matter which one you choose for primary school.
If you're not confident that your kids would be that bright, I think it is more "safe" to choose schools with secondary school back up, though it might not be the very top ones like DGS...




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原帖由 TelleTelleMom 於 11-3-1 22:58 發表
那要看對學校的睇法是正面還是負面了

[ 本帖最後由 twinsstar1 於 11-3-1 23:23 編輯 ]
作者: jollyma    時間: 11-3-1 23:40

真係講中晒,問題唔係佢收幾多%,係收你你都要諗下值唔值得讀,中學學費(尤其高中)拍得住人地超級名校喎,如果入本地u率高,都話值呀!唔通真係俾學費你投資咩
如果係叻嗰班就冇問題,去邊都得,家長最concern係自己小朋友資質一般ok或不錯,但入咗一條"骨頭巷"
原帖由 DGJS 於 11-3-1 09:31 發表
如果是真的,正面去看,九成都能原校升讀。負面去看,只有一成人走得到。

[ 本帖最後由 jollyma 於 11-3-1 23:46 編輯 ]
作者: twinsstar1    時間: 11-3-2 09:56

"自己小朋友資質一般ok或不錯"... then they have to think if their kids have the ability to find a school better than GHS lor, if they are confident in it, you might find ghs not attractive.

However, not all staying in ghs are being "forced" to stay or because they have "no choice" outside. I know some kids who rank 1-10 places in ghs primary section still choose to stay in ghs secondary just because they like the school.  

Again, don't just look at the university admission rate of one particular year and neglect the strengths of other areas.

原帖由 jollyma 於 11-3-1 23:40 發表
真係講中晒,問題唔係佢收幾多%,係收你你都要諗下值唔值得讀,中學學費(尤其高中)拍得住人地超級名校喎,如果入本地u率高,都話值呀!唔通真係俾學費你投資咩
如果係叻嗰班就冇問題,去邊都得,家長最concern係自己小朋友資 ...

作者: happymami    時間: 11-3-2 12:50

我想知如果唔係宣小同GH, 而係 協恩小學 同 GH , 咁大家又會選擇入讀邊間小學呢! 因為2間都係很好的女校, 究竟 這2間女校有咩分別,  如教學方式及成績, 真係好難選擇, 怕選錯給女兒. 請大家幫忙比比意見!
作者: Jackie310    時間: 11-3-2 13:34

協恩小學暫時唔會轉直資, 唔駛比學費, 口碑又好, 我會選協恩...
作者: happymami    時間: 11-3-2 15:26

其實我真係好想知兩所學校既分別, 學校教學/ 學生品德 等等.....因為我覺得小朋友一入讀就 十幾年, 真係好想知多些, 請大家幫幫忙, 提供多些這兩間學校資料, 謝謝!
作者: DGJS    時間: 11-3-2 17:52

HY GH的透明度其實都很高。在他們的網頁上,我們大致能找到要看的東西。反而MCS就有D! HYGH都是好學校。品德教育及辦學宗旨十分相近。


過去三年, HY的公開試成績是十分穩定。但中學部明年轉直資。


如果兩間小學都收,我會以以下幾點作考慮:
1. 6年學費,HY可以省很多。
2. 如果有信仰,就很容易揀
(天主教與基督教)。

3. 地點,HY中學網比較好。
4. 每班人數HY(40) vs GH(45)


寫寫下才發現原來HY好像好D!


原來HY6學生全部是HY5升上去的。E個再要加D分。


原帖由 happymami 於 11-3-2 15:26 發表
其實我真係好想知兩所學校既分別, 學校教學/ 學生品德 等等.....因為我覺得小朋友一入讀就 十幾年, 真係好想知多些, 請大家幫幫忙, 提供多些這兩間學校資料, 謝謝! ...

作者: elmolly    時間: 11-3-2 18:26

原帖由 DGJS 於 11-3-2 17:52 發表
HY 及 GH的透明度其實都很高。在他們的網頁上,我們大致能找到要看的東西。反而MCS就有D難! HY和GH都是好學校。品德教育及辦學宗旨十分相近。


過去三年, HY的公開試成績是十分穩定。但中學部明年轉直資。


如果兩間 ...


留意中學係直資既話就唔可以參加中央派位, 要睇下最後心儀邊間中學.

今年無資料, 但GH前幾年既中六都無outsider, 全部都係自己學校升上去的.
作者: twinsstar1    時間: 11-3-3 09:07

原來HY6學生全部是HY5升上去的。E個再要加D分 ... ghs also. I guess most EMI school would be the same for this area.

原帖由 DGJS 於 11-3-2 17:52 發表
HY 及 GH的透明度其實都很高。在他們的網頁上,我們大致能找到要看的東西。反而MCS就有D難! HY和GH都是好學校。品德教育及辦學宗旨十分相近。


過去三年, HY的公開試成績是十分穩定。但中學部明年轉直資。


如果兩間 ...

作者: DGJS    時間: 11-3-3 09:32

原來係咁!What is EMI?

原帖由 twinsstar1 於 11-3-3 09:07 發表
原來HY中6學生全部是HY中5升上去的。E個再要加D分 ... ghs also. I guess most EMI school would be the same for this area.

作者: Jackie310    時間: 11-3-3 13:12

GH 返學時間係7:30a.m., 大家要考慮埋佢個地點同車程, 以及星期六返學校上課外活動既安排 (如有參加的話)...
作者: twinsstar1    時間: 11-3-3 13:54

i.e. the old system -- schools using "english as a medium of instruction" ....

If you go over the past data abt the available F.6 seats after the 1st round of admitting F.5 students. Most seats of the EMI school are filled up by their own students in the 1st round of admission  

原帖由 DGJS 於 11-3-3 09:32 發表
原來係咁!What is EMI?

作者: angrybirds    時間: 11-3-3 22:31

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作者: nicolemummy    時間: 11-3-4 06:14

我都玩緊部IPHONE4.

原帖由 angrybirds 於 11-3-3 22:31 發表
今日響荔景站見到個德望中學學生玩緊部IPHONE4

作者: DGJS    時間: 11-3-4 10:44

D古怪! 下面是從 GH 2009-2010 report 拿出來的人數. 理論上今年的S1會是明年的S2, 如此類推. 從以下資料, 好像每升一級都有十多個人不見了! 但在同一report, exit rate 只有~ 1%!?

LevelS1S2S3S4S5
(2007-2008)270254239227155
(2008-2009)254265222209207
(2009-2010)239238249207198

HY & St. Mary 就相對穩定. MCS 就相當神秘!



原帖由 twinsstar1 於 11-3-3 13:54 發表
i.e. the old system -- schools using "english as a medium of instruction" ....

If you go over the past data abt the available F.6 seats after the 1st round of admitting F.5 students. Most seats of t ...

[ 本帖最後由 DGJS 於 11-3-4 11:34 編輯 ]
作者: twinsstar1    時間: 11-3-4 11:40

Factors of repeat? hahah ...how to calculate exit rate ga?

but as far as  I know .. really a lot of them will go overseas. I don;t know if it is the case in other Band 1 schools also.

原帖由 DGJS 於 11-3-4 10:44 發表
有D古怪! 下面是從 GH 2009-2010 report 拿出來的人數. 理論上今年的S1會是明年的S2, 如此類推. 從以下資料, 好像每升一級都有十多個人不見了! 但在同一report, exit rate 只有~ 1%!?

LevelS1S2S3S4S5(2007-2008)27 ...

[ 本帖最後由 twinsstar1 於 11-3-4 11:43 編輯 ]
作者: DGJS    時間: 11-3-4 13:46

In general, early exit rate is the % of pupils leaving the school earlier than graduation. GH listed ~1%.

The figure shows that an average of ~6% of pupils exit in each year in each level. It is not general. It is not possible that all of them go overseas.

As mentioned, you can also check the reports in St mary and Heep Yunn. They do not show that high exit rate except from F.3 to F.4.

I am not critising GH. I like GH as well. I just don't know why. Especially, their report shows that the exit rate is only ~1%.


原帖由 twinsstar1 於 11-3-4 11:40 發表
Factors of repeat? hahah ...how to calculate exit rate ga?

but as far as  I know .. really a lot of them will go overseas. I don;t know if it is the case in other Band 1 schools also.

作者: twinsstar1    時間: 11-3-4 14:00

Thanks for your clarification

of course I know you're not critising ghs la ... I don't mean that you're critising actually :) Sorry if my words have made you feel bad ...

But can't it be repeating? so the students are still there but the no. of the students in that form drop. ... ? But you're right ... even after counting the factor of "repeat" .. the % seems quite high too.... hahah really don;t know the reasons ....

原帖由 DGJS 於 11-3-4 13:46 發表
In general, early exit rate is the % of pupils leaving the school earlier than graduation. GH listed ~1%.

The figure shows that an average of ~6% of pupils exit in each year in each level. It is not  ...

[ 本帖最後由 twinsstar1 於 11-3-4 14:32 編輯 ]
作者: DGJS    時間: 11-3-4 14:34

No, it cannot be due to repeating. The figure in the table shows the total # of pupils in each class in each year. If one pupil has repeated, the coming class will have one more pupil quitted in order to make the same number of pupils in that form.


原帖由 twinsstar1 於 11-3-4 14:00 發表
Thanks for your clarification

of course I know you're not critising ghs la ... I don't mean that you're critising actually :) Sorry if my words have made you feel bad ...

But can't it be repeating ...

[ 本帖最後由 DGJS 於 11-3-4 14:39 編輯 ]
作者: twinsstar1    時間: 11-3-4 14:42

then really don;t know ...


原帖由 DGJS 於 11-3-4 14:34 發表
No, it cannot be due to repeating. The figure in the table shows the total # of pupils in each class in each year. If one pupil has repeated, the coming class will have one more pupil quitted in order ...

作者: DGJS    時間: 11-3-4 15:09

我把HEEP YUUN 的也列出來。今年的S1會是明年的S2HEEP YUUN 是相對地穩定。GH 的 ~6%太奇怪了!

Heep Yunn
levelS1S2S3S4S5
(2007-2008)219218208199200
(2008-2009)200213208206191
(2009-2010)190203210199205
GH
LevelS1S2S3S4S5
(2007-2008)270254239227155
(2008-2009)254265222209207
(2009-2010)239238249207198


原帖由 twinsstar1 於 11-3-4 14:42 發表
then really don;t know ...


作者: DGJS    時間: 11-3-4 15:44

如果把網上能得到的資料全取下來,情況更古怪。GH所收的學生, F.1 讀到 F.5, 從平均260人跌到平均200人。有60人不知去向!

2003-2004)年的就更奇怪!他們中一有260人。到中二還是260人。中三是232人,中4195人,到中五只剩下155! 這一屆應該有問題。這一屆升到中七 時是 2009-2010)年度, 剛好就是成績最差的一屆。

問題是從F.1 F.5, 升了四次班後平均有60人不知去向!這是一個迷!

GH
LevelS1S2S3S4S5
(2003-2004)260245254222218
(2004-2005)266260226244207
(2005-2006)264253232206219
(2006-2007)266251236195191
(2007-2008)270254239227155
(2008-2009)254265222209207
(2009-2010)239238249207198


[ 本帖最後由 DGJS 於 11-3-4 17:23 編輯 ]
作者: Sumyeema1    時間: 11-3-4 15:56     標題: 回覆 77# DGJS 的文章

首先聲明,我認同 GH 是一所好學校。

DGJS, 你能自 School Report 的學生人數中分析出成績下降的原因,真系
作者: twinsstar1    時間: 11-3-4 16:09

then why can't it be overseas studies / going to other schools? and repeat too?

i think these 2 are the chief factors ... just that I don't understand why it is 1%. That's why i ask how the exist rate is calculated



原帖由 DGJS 於 11-3-4 15:44 發表
如果把網上能得到的資料全取下來,情況更古怪。GH所收的學生, 自 F.1 讀到 F.5, 從平均260人跌到平均200人。有60人不知去向!

(2003-2004)年的就更奇怪!他們中一有260人。到中二還是260人。中三是232人,中4是195人,到中五只 ...

[ 本帖最後由 twinsstar1 於 11-3-4 16:16 編輯 ]
作者: twinsstar1    時間: 11-3-4 16:13

hey hey .. what about each form they got people repeating, plus people going overseas ... then there won't be one person more in the coming form even there's one person repeating in a year.

Moreover, the F.1 intake of each year is different too .. so it's a bit difficult to estimate how many that each form has originally.

seems a bit complicated ar ..



原帖由 DGJS 於 11-3-4 14:34 發表
No, it cannot be due to repeating. The figure in the table shows the total # of pupils in each class in each year. If one pupil has repeated, the coming class will have one more pupil quitted in order ...

[ 本帖最後由 twinsstar1 於 11-3-4 16:14 編輯 ]
作者: DGJS    時間: 11-3-4 16:37

再說一遍,我對Good Hope 無偏見!我瞭解每年都有可能有人去外國,但6%真的太大。我自己沒有遇過,所以我才查Heep Yunn St. Mary。她們的數字告訴我6% 是不正常的。如果那6%是發生在中五畢業生升上中六, 我會認同。

至於留班,我用一個例子。(2007-2008S5 只有155人。這班在中4本來有195人。如果說有40人留班,他們應該會留在 2007-2008)的 S4 內。本來 2007-2008)的S4 (有227人) 2006-2007)的S3 236人。本來只是不見了9人。但如果有40個留班生, 2007-2008S4 227人便是有40個留班生, 2006-2007)的S3 同學能升上S4的便只有187人了,不見了49人。

不見了的學生數字始終沒變!

原帖由 twinsstar1 於 11-3-4 16:09 發表
then why can't it be overseas studies / going to other schools? and repeat too?

i think these 2 are the chief factors ... just that I don't understand why it is 1%. That's why i ask how the exist ra ...

[ 本帖最後由 DGJS 於 11-3-4 17:19 編輯 ]
作者: twinsstar1    時間: 11-3-4 19:58

I know ... I actually never feel that you have bias towards GHS ar ... I'm also just talking about the data, not really commenting on the schools as well. If for any lines that I have made you feel bad, I;ve to appologize.


原帖由 DGJS 於 11-3-4 16:37 發表
再說一遍,我對Good Hope 無偏見!我瞭解每年都有可能有人去外國,但6%真的太大。我自己沒有遇過,所以我才查Heep Yunn 和 St. Mary。她們的數字告訴我6% 是不正常的。如果那6%是發生在中五畢業生升上中六, 我會認同。

至於 ...

作者: twinsstar1    時間: 11-3-4 20:13

If that is the 1st year of turning to DSS, then it might be one of the reasons explaining the high exsit rate.

1. Parents are more well-off, then can afford sending their children to overseas.

2. Some of the parents are forced to pay school fee in sec. (As when they first admitted to ghs primary, they did not prepare to pay in secondary) so they might choose to change to other band 1 schools (equally good or even better schools) where they did not have to pay school fee.

well.... a wild guess. I don;t mean to offend anybody here

Talking about "repeat", I mean there are F.5 students repeating to F.4 and at the same time, there are also F.4 students repeating to F.3 and so on and then at the same time, we never know the exact amount of F.1 intake each year. That's why it's abit difficult to find out the exact no. of students leaving from the table.

Again .... a wild guess, my maths isnt good anyways.


原帖由 DGJS 於 11-3-4 16:37 發表
再說一遍,我對Good Hope 無偏見!我瞭解每年都有可能有人去外國,但6%真的太大。我自己沒有遇過,所以我才查Heep Yunn 和 St. Mary。她們的數字告訴我6% 是不正常的。如果那6%是發生在中五畢業生升上中六, 我會認同。

至於 ...

[ 本帖最後由 twinsstar1 於 11-3-4 20:35 編輯 ]
作者: cherrieshum    時間: 11-3-4 21:00

我樓下的女仔也是讀德望,最終只讀到中三就出國留學了。我問她媽媽,她媽媽說對德望很失望,女兒整體成績不是太好,只有英文較為客觀;她又說中文科竟然將中文、中史、普通話合為一科,很奇怪!
作者: icbb1230    時間: 11-3-4 23:06

error, not sure what happened!

[ 本帖最後由 icbb1230 於 11-3-4 23:14 編輯 ]
作者: icbb1230    時間: 11-3-4 23:13

其實成日討論GH,大家覺唔覺都係聽呢個講,聽
作者: icbb1230    時間: 11-3-4 23:16

why can't type whole message in chinese!  give up!
作者: DGJS    時間: 11-3-5 16:38

The first year is 2002-2003. The result of this year's candidate was fine.

http://www.ghs.edu.hk/GHS/DSS/DSS_info1.htm

The school fee set at that time was:-
School Fee :
  • F.1 - F.3 : $35,000 per annum
  • F.4 - F.5 : $45,000 per annum
  • F.6 - F.7 : $50,000 per annum



From the school fee structure, it seems that school management had defined a structure that no. of higher form students would be less than that of lower form.



原帖由 twinsstar1 於 11-3-4 20:13 發表
If that is the 1st year of turning to DSS, then it might be one of the reasons explaining the high exsit rate.

1. Parents are more well-off, then can afford sending their children to overseas.

2. S ...

[ 本帖最後由 DGJS 於 11-3-5 16:43 編輯 ]
作者: twinsstar1    時間: 11-3-6 22:37

you mean public exam results of that year?

In 2002-2003, only F.1 students need to pay school fee, so it wouldn't affect the F.2-7 students

I mean if 2009-2010 was the 1st batch of DSS students taking AL exam..... sorry for the confusion made

btw, if the HKCEE results of this batch of students were not that bad (I haven't checked it), the poor uni entrance result of that year might be due to the fact that many good students left after F.5....


原帖由 DGJS 於 11-3-5 16:38 發表
The first year is 2002-2003. The result of this year's candidate was fine.

http://www.ghs.edu.hk/GHS/DSS/DSS_info1.htm

The school fee set at that time was:-
School Fee :
F.1 - F.3 : $35,000 per an ...

[ 本帖最後由 twinsstar1 於 11-3-7 23:01 編輯 ]
作者: DGJS    時間: 11-3-7 09:27

AL result of the year 2009-2010 was comparatively bad. You guess it might be due to the fact that 2003-2004 was the first year of DSS. Then I checked and found that the first year of DSS was 2002-2003. After the 2002-2003 students promoted to F.7, the AL result of them was good.

Anyway, my emphasis was not on the above. I always concern about the ~6% early exit rate per year. The school fee structure gives me some hint that Good Hope school management designs this kind of class structure. That is to say, the school allows ~6% of pupil to leave the school in each year in each form!

Other DSS famous schools (e.g. SPCC, DGS, DBS, St. Stephen) with stable of student do not have school fee varation.   



原帖由 twinsstar1 於 11-3-6 22:37 發表
you mean public exam results of that year?

In 2002-2003, only F.1 students need to pay school fee, so it wouldn't affect the F.2-7 students

I mean if 2009-2010 was the 1st batch of DSS students ta ...

[ 本帖最後由 DGJS 於 11-3-7 09:29 編輯 ]
作者: survivor    時間: 11-3-7 10:23

這裡是"小一選校",我想知多一點德望小學的情況,特別是教學質素、老師態度、學生操行、課程深淺等。希望多D德望小學家長分享一下!

我認識的德望小學女生,很乖很有禮貌,每天功課10多樣都可以自已處理,我都很欣賞。

不過,不少德望小學女生都會中途轉校,在BK都看到不少。

BK上有人報料,話德望中學會轉校長,希望新人士新作風,可以重發2003年前德望中學的風采。
作者: twinsstar1    時間: 11-3-7 11:45

I guess I understand what you mean now


btw .... yes.. may be we better focus more on primary school disucssion rather than secondary school discussion... sorry for that!

原帖由 DGJS 於 11-3-7 09:27 發表
AL result of the year 2009-2010 was comparatively bad. You guess it might be due to the fact that 2003-2004 was the first year of DSS. Then I checked and found that the first year of DSS was 2002-2003 ...

[ 本帖最後由 twinsstar1 於 11-3-7 11:46 編輯 ]
作者: crystalwsm    時間: 11-3-7 11:57

GH開始call waiting list未?有無waiting list已註冊嘅幸運兒?

或者,因為GH呢排咁多新聞,就算waiting入到都會放棄?
作者: DGJS    時間: 11-3-7 12:23

The reason why we have been emphasizing on the secondary because of this thread.

It is true that this section is for P.1 selection. Let's move on in another thread.

樓主的標題是從中學年報開始探討, 如果希望從其他角度去談, 是否應該另起標題討論。(不喜勿插)


原帖由 twinsstar1 於 11-3-7 11:45 發表
I guess I understand what you mean now


btw .... yes.. may be we better focus more on primary school disucssion rather than secondary school discussion... sorry for that!

作者: Jackie310    時間: 11-3-7 13:49

其實我係好想知道大家對兩間學校(GH/APS)既睇法, GH 小學既賣點係有佢既中學back-up, 唔駛6年後煩考中學. 雖然我地預計唔到佢既中學會唔會係6年後變番以往既成績, 但目前黎講, 佢既小學都有唔少好既評價.
作者: DGJS    時間: 11-3-7 15:28

兩間都是很好的小學。她們有分別,如:-
1.1. 上課時間 GH早半小時)
2.2. 宗教背景 (基督 vs 天主)
3.3. 男女校 vs 女校
4.4. 校網

APS明顯比Good Hope academic(至小 P.4開始係)。APS偏向學樂器。GH general
D


你的標題其實有道理的。不然,我也不會花時間去研究。如emolly 所說是事實的話,9成人會升讀Good Hope 中學。即是只有約20人會升往其他中學。Good Hope 中學應該被研究。

Good Hope 中學一直是我心中的band 1 中學。這亦是我心偏向其小學的重要原因之一。

原帖由 Jackie310 於 11-3-7 13:49 發表
其實我係好想知道大家對兩間學校(GH/APS)既睇法, GH 小學既賣點係有佢既中學back-up, 唔駛6年後煩考中學. 雖然我地預計唔到佢既中學會唔會係6年後變番以往既成績, 但目前黎講, 佢既小學都有唔少好既評價. ...

作者: survivor    時間: 11-3-7 17:36

Hi DGJS

I have to say you are really good in sharing your comments with good reasons and analysis. I honestly appreciate and respect your contributions to this thread. MY HAT OFF TO YOU!

Hi All

As far as I know, there are around 20 pupils who will move to other primary schools (e.g. DGJS, MCS and HY) each year, while taking some pupils from other primary schools.

I am still keen to see more GH parents to share their first-hand information on GH Primary Section. Thanks!





原帖由 DGJS 於 11-3-7 15:28 發表
兩間都是很好的小學。她們有分別,如:-
1.1. 上課時間 (GH早半小時)
2.2. 宗教背景 (基督 vs 天主)
3.3. 男女校 vs 女校
4.4. 校網

APS明顯比Good Hope 谷 academic(至小 P.4開始係)。APS偏向學樂器。GH 就general
D。

你 ...

作者: twinsstar1    時間: 11-3-7 22:59

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[ 本帖最後由 twinsstar1 於 11-3-7 23:12 編輯 ]
作者: twinsstar1    時間: 11-3-7 23:19

You're really very resourceful! I can see that you've spent a lot of time and effort in analysing the data and share it in BK without bias. Your effort is much appreciated!

Hope to see your analysis about other schools in other threads too


原帖由 DGJS 於 11-3-7 12:23 發表
The reason why we have been emphasizing on the secondary because of this thread.

It is true that this section is for P.1 selection. Let's move on in another thread.

樓主的標題是從中學年報開始探討,  ...

[ 本帖最後由 twinsstar1 於 11-3-7 23:21 編輯 ]
作者: Jackie310    時間: 11-3-8 00:11

DGJS: 好多謝你一直比好多分析同意見比我0地啲媽咪, 其實我會等埋大抽獎先再決定比囡囡讀邊間小學, 如果囡囡派唔到心儀既小學, 我先會比佢讀私小, 但距離大抽獎放榜仍有點時間搜集多啲意見, 希望唔好選錯學校比佢.....

另外, 我知APS啲學生到P.4開始谷, 特別係上到P.5,P.6仲會遲放學, 同埋學費會貴啲...

原帖由 DGJS 於 11-3-7 15:28 發表
兩間都是很好的小學。她們有分別,如:-
1.1. 上課時間 (GH早半小時)
2.2. 宗教背景 (基督 vs 天主)
3.3. 男女校 vs 女校
4.4. 校網

APS明顯比Good Hope 谷 academic(至小 P.4開始係)。APS偏向學樂器。GH 就general
D。

你 ...





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