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標題: FW:英基資助擬削明年過渡私校教局倡逐步自負盈虧 [打印本頁]

作者: iseult 時間: 11-7-7 12:04 標題: FW:英基資助擬削明年過渡私校教局倡逐步自負盈虧

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作者: topkidsmom 時間: 11-7-7 12:44 標題: 回復 1# iseult 的帖子

如果真係轉為私校, 一定好多家長負担唔起。

作者: Mighty 時間: 11-7-7 15:27

呢条孫公、早D休息啦。　　唯恐天下不乱！！　如果真係要ESF変成私校、希望所有D英基家長OR想入英基的、都一斉上街。

作者: crystalpui 時間: 11-7-7 15:35

如英基都變私校
學費應會貴好多.....
但相信都唔少人想入

作者: bbprince 時間: 11-7-7 21:27

I feel so disappointed about ESF asking for more subsidy from the HK Government by claiming that 70% of their students are permanent HK residents. On one hand, ESF sets a hurdle to discriminate local children by classifying them as Cat 2 applicants; on the other hand use them as an excuse to get more money from the HK govt.

I am a supporter of ESF and appreciate the quality of education they provide. But just like most other parents in this forum, we are Cantonese speaking family and are labeled as Cat 2 applicants. We follow the rules of the game and sacrifice talking Cantonese with our child to try to squeeze in Cat 1 for getting a school place. Throughout the application process, we strongly feel that HK residents who know Cantonese are disadvantaged. I don’t argue with this point as this policy was set up by the past colonial government. (Using HK tax money to subsidize British families.) However this policy is obviously out-dated. And I see no other government subsidizing a school for Chinese when we study abroad. Then why should the HK govt subsidize an English school in HK that discriminates local students? Well, if it is for enhancing HK’s competitive advantage in the INTERNATIONAL market; can anyone tell me if there are any other governments subsidizing education for foreign language speakers? Moreover, expats in HK have plenty of choices of international schools or the English-medium local schools which are more affordable.

Don’t miss my point, I am not rich and I support “affordable” English education in HK. But I need to point out that ESF top management should change their application policy and student acceptance criteria before they ask for more money from HK residents (taxpayers). Stop discriminating us while asking more money from us.

By the way, just like many other elite local schools (St. Paul Co-ed, DBS, etc…), DSS is also a way out for ESF.

作者: searcher123 時間: 11-7-7 22:27

bbprince, you are well said. this admission policy is ridiculous, even parents from mainland china have privilege to enter esf and hk parent are put in the lowest priority

作者: heamami 時間: 11-7-7 22:29

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作者: Chole 時間: 11-7-7 23:55

杜茵妮強調：「現時65%學生為本港永久居民，他們的父母是香港的納稅人，應有權享用政府資助。」

Are they saying that all private schools in HK (perhaps>90% HK kids), should get the subsidies as well? How about most of the other international schools? Many of them have a high percentage of HK kids too. If so, who will bear the costs? Tax payers?

Yes, the law governing ESF is very out of date. I would think that if they don't want to be subject to the supervision of the EMB, the subsidies should not be given to the new students.

作者: redkoni 時間: 11-7-8 07:36 標題: 若撤資助英基學費加

都市日報
2011年07月08日,星期五

英基學校協會公布，屬下6間學校的4名學生，在今屆國際預科文憑試中取得滿分45分成績，但協會行政總裁杜茵妮說，一旦政府撤回每年提供的2.8億元定額資助，學校便有需要加學費，預料加幅最少20%。

學費介乎直資和國際學校之間的英基，一直靠政府資助達44年之久，但政府有意在新學年起終止資助，倡英基以「自負盈虧」過渡至私立國際學校。杜茵妮直言，學校佔70%的家長是香港永久居民，政府有責任為港人子女提供教育及補貼，一旦取消資助，學費必定增加最少20%，相信家長難以接受。

她又說，英基並非提供本地課程，若要轉為直資亦並非不可行，但一切有待政府研究英基去向，希望數月內有決定。另英基今年共有763位學生應考國際預科文憑試，成績是有史以來最佳，除4人獲滿分外，14名學生獲44分，109人獲40分以上，考獲35分或以上達47.5%，平均分由33.5分提高至34.3分。

作者: bbprince 時間: 11-7-8 09:01

No doubt that ESF is providing very high quality education. However, I don't want to be screened out or classified in a lower rank but paying the subsidy.

作者: boldboy3 時間: 11-7-8 09:44

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作者: twinsdady 時間: 11-7-8 13:25

我希望香港政府推行政策時,應作多方面考慮,政策利民而非害人.小班教學不推行,教得好的學校要減班.英基學校人才輩出.就不资助.好多學生都是香港市民,我們只想子女能接受比較小壓力的優質教育,點解小小资助都斤斤計較呢?希望政府大發慈悲考慮把英基轉成直资或給學卷方式來资坐我們這群為供樓,通脤,供子女教育已經惶恐度日的一群小市民.

作者: topkidsmom 時間: 11-7-8 14:38 標題: 回復 14# twinsdady 的帖子

I totally agree with twinsdady!

作者: WYmom 時間: 11-7-8 15:34

Yes, agree with twinsdady, giving out education coupon to all HK local permanent students is the best solution and it will be the fairest way. Everyone can choose whichever school using the coupon. If then, there will be no argument on which school should be subsidized.

作者: Chole 時間: 11-7-8 16:27 標題: 回復 14# twinsdady 的帖子

Yes, as a tax payer I would love to have my share of 小小資助 by means of coupons too. Is it fair to give it to only 1 "international school" which is not subject to the regulations of EMB?

By all means 既得利益者(including parents and the well paid staff) of course would want continuous subsidies (or even more, that's what ESF is asking).

I have no problem if they choose to be a DSS (comply with the relevant rules) and get the DSS subsidies. But please don't choose to become private (fewer rules) and 上街 protest against 加學費！

作者: moca 時間: 11-7-8 23:20

原帖由 twinsdady 於 11-7-8 13:25 發表
我希望香港政府推行政策時,應作多方面考慮,政策利民而非害人.小班教學不推行,教得好的學校要減班.英基學校人才輩出.就不资助.好多學生都是香港市民,我們只想子女能接受比較小壓力的優質教育,點解小小资助都斤斤計較 ...

It is exactly what I think.

作者: 宏媽 時間: 11-7-9 12:44

Totally agree! And I have 2 boys there. Elder one going to secondary in 2 years time.

Now the secondary school fee is approaching $10000 per month. How can we afford the school fee if they raise it by 20%? I pay tax which equals to 1 month of my salary each year. I think we Hong Kong permanent residents deserve to have subsidies at least equal to other students in Hong Kong.

For parents who sent their kids to private school, they knew that they have to bear all the education cost by themselves. But when I send my kids to ESF, I knew that the government is subsidizing my child, for a quality education system that no other subsidized schools in can provide. It is totally unfair if we are told suddenly that there will be no subsidies.

If we can't afford the school fee, what can we do? We cannot afford the school fee of other IS as well. Our child may not be fitting in local schools anymore. Not to subsidize our children's education is totally irresponsible!!!

原帖由 WYmom 於 11-7-8 15:34 發表
Yes, agree with twinsdady, giving out education coupon to all HK local permanent students is the best solution and it will be the fairest way. Everyone can choose whichever school using the coupon. If then, there will be no argument on which school should be subsidized.

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作者: twinsdady 時間: 11-7-11 13:44

如果一刀切,無能力资付高昂學費的家庭怎麽辦?要轉校譚何容易,好學校早巳滿額,看到自己子女因為政府的害人政策而要被迫進入band3學校.父母那有不傷心呢?他們有否孝慮到學生利益?這政策是否會害了很多好學生呢?有沒有比較好的安排呢?為何受壓後就要保住那些收生不足的學校而迫令一些好學校減班呢?為何受壓後又要整治英基呢?如要英基改善管理,請用一些殺傷力低一些的手段,請你們高台貴手放過我們的子女吧,稚子無罪.多謝多謝.行善積福公德無量.

作者: BFG 時間: 11-7-11 14:28 標題: 英基資助擬削

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作者: gabeparent 時間: 11-7-12 21:47

The ESF should submit to government oversight if they continue to accept subsidy. For starters, they should open their accounts for public scrutiny and comparison with, say, DSS schools in terms of financial competence.

作者: topkidsmom 時間: 11-7-12 22:06 標題: 回復 2# Brenday 的帖子

針唔拮到肉緊係唔知痛啦, 佢荷包大把嘛!

作者: Maxnmiu 時間: 11-7-13 10:55

I think if ESF would like to keep the subsidise from the government, they should review their two tier system. They should open their interview to all the applicants, not only the English speaking kids - tier one. This is fair to all tax payers, at least have a chance for interview, same as other IS. The government gots a lots of complaints of this two tier system and most of them are HK residents and tax payers, if ESF doesn't want to give up their two tier system, the government should stop the subsidise, that will be fair to all the tax payers in HK.

作者: yoyobb 時間: 11-7-13 11:43

政府晒氣啦... 現時香港直資學校佢地有好好監管盤數咩?? 咩咩直資學校咪又幾十萬起間狗屋看門口, 咪又係咁樣, 仲有好多好多數目混亂佢地唔去理??

44年資助, 而家D貪生怕死/怕揹鑊既官員先搵黎表現唔緊要, 但唔可以唔考慮英基家長既負擔??
明明小朋友入學時清楚了解英基受資助學費每月幾錢先入讀架嘛, 點可以話加就加??

除左對6X%香港納稅人英基家長唔公平外, 其餘外國家長都在港工作有交稅架!!

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作者: yoyobb 時間: 11-7-13 11:45 標題: 回復 6# BFG 的帖子

英基資助擬削

各位家長，今天五時立法會財務委會討論英基撥款、削資的議題，大家可以E-mail給負責的二十二位財委會議員，表這我們的意見。

財務委員會(委員會成員) www.legco.gov.hk/yr09-10/chinese/fc/fc/general/members.htm

[立法會議員通訊錄 www.legco.gov.

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SUPPORT SUPPORT !!

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作者: samelsaho 時間: 11-7-13 16:06 標題: 回復 3# Maxnmiu 的帖子

Totally agreed!

作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 11-7-13 17:46

Well said.

原帖由 Maxnmiu 於 11-7-13 10:55 發表
I think if ESF would like to keep the subsidise from the government, they should review their two tier system. They should open their interview to all the applicants, not only the English speaking kid ...

作者: alpham0m 時間: 11-7-13 18:02

星島日報 – 2011年7月12日星期二上午6:30

立法會教育事務委員會昨就對英基的資助進行討論，有議員指，英基在新時代應尋求新定位，若要得到與本地直資學校看齊的資助，必須接受政府的監管，以確保公帑「用得其所」；議員建議，教育局向英基採用對直資學校的監管模式，但課程上須維持原有的獨特性。出席的教育局官員表示，就英基的資助檢討於本年底完成，認為議員的建議可作為檢討的方向，繼續提供資助，但以直資模式監管。

　　成立近半世紀的英基，一直都是以提供可負擔的英語教育為宗旨，但教育局在立法會文件中指會審視英基的定位，希望能在不影響教育服務質素情況下，由明年起逐步將英基邁向自負盈虧的運作模式。

　　立法會議員張文光昨於教育事務委員會上指，英基的定位應隨時代改變，但大前提是要確保現有學生不會受到任何影響。他坦言不反對政府繼續向英基發放資助，但就覺得必須加強監管，以確保公帑運用得宜；同時又建議政府將以監管直資學校的模式應用於英基，但他坦言明白英基提供的是非本地課程，所以同意在課程、師資上有一定自主性，以維持英基的獨特性。

　　教育局副局長陳維安回應議員提問時表示，無計畫即時撤銷對英基的資助，又指會與英基繼續進行討論，預計檢討最快本年底完成，並提交立法會。出席會議的教育局副秘書長陳美寶補充，議員提出的建議可以作為檢討英基未來定位的方向，包括政府可以繼續提供資助，但以直資模式監管，不過，政府長遠仍然希望英基能邁向獨立自主的模式。

　　除討論對英基的資助外，會上有議員指，英基的成立其實是為外地來港服務人士的子女提供教育，認為若英基要繼續得到政府資助，就應向外地來港人士的子女預留一定學額，才能令公帑用得其所。

　　英基主席唐家成昨亦有出席會議，他同意有資助便須接受監管的說法，又指會努力與教育局檢討英基的問題，但就承認若要為外地來港服務人士的子女加開學位存有壓力，他指出現時英基的學生已有一萬二千多人，每班三十人已屬「到頂」，所以若要再加開或預留學額，可能須增建校舍才可應付。

　　唐家成又指，英基去年約有八億元儲備，但大部分均用作維修，以至重建校舍，現時儲備只足以應付兩至三個月開支，他表示願意繼續與政府討論，期間亦會向家長諮詢，以確保英基財政的透明度。

作者: FYLSK 時間: 11-7-13 18:13

Agreed with yoyobb:)

I also want to share my view on the admission policy. My kid will study in ESF Year 7 start from this coming Aug. We are the local chinese family (category 2) but still received the offer from ESF. I believe that their application system is not so unfair to HK citizen. Most important, your kid have a good english communication skill will have more chance to be accepted. Remember, this is an English medium school. Normally, they will have the central application for Year 1 and Year 7 in Sept every year. Simply followed their application procedure, that is, filled up the form together with the kid's profile. Then, they will arrange the examination in Nov to test the student's english level. They will issue the acceptance letter in Feb.

作者: ok_ko 時間: 11-7-14 10:29

好彩剩番1年!

作者: WYmom 時間: 11-7-14 11:14

Even govt keep freezing the subvention as before, the average subsidies per student has been decreasing for 20% in the past few years due to the increase of student nos. School fee has been increasing at average of 5% per year in the past 6 years. The increase of fee will be even higher in future due to the higher inflation rate and the large capital funds ESF ask for to reconstruct KGV and Island School.

Personally I only support basic upgrades of campus to meet educational needs. I don't think KGV should ask parents to fund the $120 million for a world class sport hall and swimming pool. It's just too luxurious and it's not fair for parents with children studying in other ESF schools to bear a share of such large expense.

Our school fees should be used more in improving the quality of education.

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作者: Maxnmiu 時間: 11-7-14 11:34

原帖由 FYLSK 於 11-7-13 10:13 發表
Agreed with yoyobb:)

I also want to share my view on the admission policy. My kid will study in ESF Year 7 start from this coming Aug. We are the local chinese family (category 2) but still received ...

Well, for year 1, usually the school will give the priority to category 1 kids for interview, if they accept all the kids from category 1, there will be no interview offer to the kids in category 2. Don't forget most of the kids in category 2 are HK resident and their parents are HK Chinese and tax payers. I don't think this is fair to everyone. I understand, some of the kids in category 1 are HK resident too and pure HK Chinese but English speaking is the first language because their parent train them up since they started speak. Maybe English speaking is the main different between the kids in two categories, then why don't ESF open their interview to all applicants and test their English speaking ability. For Category 2 kids at least can get a chance for interview.

作者: FYLSK 時間: 11-7-14 13:00

My kid only had assessment in Nov but no further interview. I dont know if there is any difference between Y1 and Y7. :)

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