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標題: 兩 大 推 非 聯 招 優 先 取 錄 [打印本頁]
作者: leeleelumlum 時間: 11-12-8 11:47 標題: 兩 大 推 非 聯 招 優 先 取 錄
(星島日報報道)應屆中七高考生的大學聯招日前截止，昨日的立法會會議上，議員何鍾泰向教育局提出書面質詢，要求當局提交有關資料，解釋香港大學及中文大學首度通過非聯招途徑，於本年底優先取錄持有國際預科文憑（IB）和英國普通教育文憑高級程度考試（GCE A-level）學歷的學生資料。
教育局局長孫明揚以書面回應指，以二○一○學年為例，持IB及GCE A-level學歷入大學的非聯招本地生申請人約一千名，佔整體收生人數的百分之七，而非聯招的非本地生則約有一千九百人，佔百分之十三。他又指，一二學年的非聯招收生程序之中，兩所大學的做法與海外大學相似，中大稱為「提前錄取」，港大則稱為「加快取錄」。
「優先取錄的安排由個別院校自行推出，以便在正常的申請周期內提前處理申請，讓學生可盡早準備及計畫各學士學位課程的申請，同時讓院校有充分時間考慮及評審所有申請。所有申請計畫的學生，必須在入學前符合所有入學要求，不能提早一年入讀大學。」
孫明揚指，大學教育資助委員會沒有就聯招及非聯招入學的學生定立比例，收生事宜由個別院校自行處理，而近年聯招錄取人數與核准收生學額的比例保持平穩，新增的非本地生是通過在核准學額以外超收錄取，不會與本地生構成直接競爭。
中大發言人表示，明年持IB及GCE A-level學歷入學的學生，將可於三年內完成學士課程，而一三年入學的學生，最多可獲二十四個學分豁免。至於優先取錄計畫的申請及取錄人數，中大及港大發言人均拒絕透露有關數字
2011-12-08
作者: WYmom 時間: 11-12-8 12:30
In many overseas universities, they will admit students by conditional offers earlier based on predicted exam results... so it is very normal for HKU and CUHK to do the same, why need to be questioned??
作者: JP 時間: 11-12-8 14:43
原帖由 WYmom 於 11-12-8 12:30 發表 
In many overseas universities, they will admit students by conditional offers earlier based on predicted exam results... so it is very normal for HKU and CUHK to do the same, why need to be questioned ...
One of my friend(whose daughter is studying in UK for A level) went to CU & HKU Admission Talk for non-Jupas in Oct. According to her, universities will give firm offers (not conditional offers) to those non-Jupas applicants based on their GCSE and UK AS level results earlier next year (well before release of their A Level results). It seems that the policy is similar to that of Early Admission Scheme for HKCEE.
Not sure whether this scheme is applicable to non-Jupas IB applicants. If yes, how can the universities assess their academic performance before release of the IB results?? Base on predicted grades given by teachers?
作者: ANChan59 時間: 11-12-8 15:12 標題: 回復 3# JP 的帖子
Not sure whether this scheme is applicable to non-Jupas IB applicants. If yes, how can the universities assess their academic performance before release of the IB results?? Base on predicted grades given by teachers?
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Yes.
My son's senior use PG of Year 1 to apply Non-JUPAS of HKU & CUHK via Fast Track and Early Admission, they all got interviews, now wait for firm offers which will be announced in Jan 2010. If no firm offers then will go to main round for general admission.
You may ask how can HKU & CUHK trust the PG from the teachers. I guess they will consider ESF, IS, DBS with benchmark from their previous either IB or other exam results. For newly accredited DSS IB schools, they may discount some of their grades or not offer firm offers, conditional offers instead.
作者: JP 時間: 11-12-8 15:26
原帖由 ANChan59 於 11-12-8 15:12 發表
My son's senior use PG of Year 1 to apply Non-JUPAS of HKU & CUHK via Fast Track and Early Admission, they all got interviews, now wait for firm offers which will be announced in Jan 2010. If no firm offers then will go to main round for general admission.
Thanks for sharing!
If I were議員何鍾泰, I would follow up and ask why such Fast Track and Early Admission does not apply to HKDSE based on teachers' predicted grades?
作者: ANChan59 時間: 11-12-8 15:38
原帖由 JP 於 11-12-8 15:26 發表
Thanks for sharing!
If I were議員何鍾泰, I would follow up and ask why such Fast Track and Early Admission does not apply to HKDSE based on teachers' predicted grades?
IB and GCSE & GCE AL are not new matters and IBO also modulated the standard of accredited schools.
But our parents and educators requested to cut public exams even cut short TSA.... our HKDSE students are zero track record and internal examinations not modulated. How can you compare DGS, SPCC, DBS, LS, MCS with other schools' A? Very soon, more parents will force their kids to sit GCSE....... Then, why cut HKCEE?
From my limited info, the Big 3 also invited the elite schools' principals to nominate their top students to participate Fast Track and Early Admission, may not all schools. Universities seem to focus on schools have EAS record as reference.
作者: JP 時間: 11-12-8 16:50 標題: 回復 1# ANChan59 的帖子
ANChan59,
See your points!
But I don't think the Big 3 will give any firm offers to those elite schools' top students who are invited for early interviews without even a promise for any conditional offers.
One of my friend's son will sit for UK AS/AL next year while studying HKDSE in HK. I guess more people will follow this route--Fast Track and Early Admission!!
作者: kym 時間: 11-12-8 18:43
用IB 校內成績再加SAT會唔會好D?
作者: ANChan59 時間: 11-12-8 21:48
原帖由 kym 於 11-12-8 18:43 發表
用IB 校內成績再加SAT會唔會好D?
In local universities, professors may prefer IB >>> SAT, unless the PG is not promising.
作者: eschung 時間: 11-12-8 21:50
During the HKU admission talk, the speaker has confirmed that those students invited for interviews with good performance will have additional marks only. There will not be any conditional offer for DSE students. Now, it seems that taking Non-Jupas route is a better choice. But who knows, after one or two years, the universities may change their policies. A headache to all parents.:igiveup:
作者: ANChan59 時間: 11-12-8 22:17
原帖由 eschung 於 11-12-8 21:50 發表
During the HKU admission talk, the speaker has confirmed that those students invited for interviews with good performance will have additional marks only. There will not be any conditional offer for ...
You are absolutely right, after 1-2 years, universities may offer conditional offers and then firm offers for some schools and students.....
As HKDSE standard is below IB, so universities feel more comfortable to accept IB PG...
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-1-16 00:14
In my son's school, NSS students had interview may have some interview score, but no offers yet.
But most IB students got offers from HKU & CUHK, medicine (42-43 included bonus; QFin 38, BBA (Law) 42.......)
作者: slamai 時間: 12-1-16 19:26
Any offer from HKU LLB currently known together with the PG/conditional score?
ANChan59 發表於 12-1-16 00:14 
In my son's school, NSS students had interview may have some interview score, but no offers yet.
But most IB students got offers from HKU & CUHK, medicine (42-43 included bonus; QFin 38, BBA (Law) 42.......)
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-1-17 11:46
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I need to check.
My gut feeling is similar to BBA & Law, or a bit lower as LLB has more seats.
作者: kids33 時間: 12-1-17 13:11
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Hi ANChan59,
It seems to me that 42-43 is a very high score.
Is a conditional offer of 42-43 helpful or does it make a big difference?
Unlike unconditional offer, student still needs to bear the risk of public exam and have to strive and work very hard to achieve the score.
There is another query.
For UCAS tariff, 7 in IB HL gets 130 points but SL only max 70 points.
Max points for IB is 720.
While for HKDSE, 5* is 130 points, max could be 130 x 7 = 910.
For those planning for UK, would HKDSE be a better choice?
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-1-17 13:50
For hot program's, no matter JUPAS, non-JUPAS are competitive. When we are talking medicine, reasonable standard. For enilginerring, unconditional offer may be 30 or below, for HKUST, 30 is the min.
About UCAS, we should also consider % of students achieve that, and using an extreme example may lead to wrong conclusion. Moreover, I guess we don't expect all kids and families are the same.
We can view the issue in another angle, how many % from 40-45, cf equivalent in HKDSE (its a question mark right mow) If very low % in HKDSE, the impact is minimal. My assumption of IB better than HKDSE may valid for the first 2-3 years. Later, I can't tell..... That's the best I can respond to a speculative question. I also highly recommend you to view the Expert Report of HKDSE in UCAS, if my memory don't fool me, some subjects may not count and core Mathis only count half, we shouldnt double count M1 or M2. More time, read the similar report of IB.
IB may work for my son, may be HKDSE more suitable for other equal talented kids. No right or wrong, just best fit.
Sorry, my notebook was dead, I can respond in mobile phone, my logic or explanation not do good. In case, some point may upset you, pls accept my apology in advance.
作者: mezk 時間: 12-1-18 12:21
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Dear ANChan59,
May I ask why you said "HKDSE standard is below IB"? As I know, except English and Chinese, it seems students will learn less in IB then in HKDSE.
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-1-18 12:46
I just observed from UCAS' expert reports, you can compare HKDSE vs GCE AL; then IBDP vs GCE AL. I strongly recommend parents to read the HKDSE expert report personally, you will see how UK universties grade M1 vs M2...... Dont just listen to the propagenda from the SAR Government.
According to Lab reports, essays and commentaries in other subjects, I observed that it's standard much demanding compared with NSS in terms of quality, self learning, motivation of study..... May be some subjects like Geography, the coverage of HKDSE/NSS may be wider than IB & GCE.
If you just refer to examination results and syllabus on paper, may be you are right in certain subjects at HL. You may be correct, I need to distinguish between the standard of NSS and or HKDSE. HKDSE should be compared with IBDP, NSS vs IB respectively.
BTW, I always shared here, HKDSE/NSS should follow IBDP/IB to classify subjects in Elementary and Advance levels similar to Maths, Core + Extended Modules, so that the students can have better exam performance and reflect their standard. Even in HKCEE, 7-8k students got "Zero", if the paper and syllabus even more advance compare with HKCEE, so the exam system create more victims or failures. If less students score "Zero", then I doubt the qualification of HKDSE.
HKDSE still takes time to reflect the actual standard, as a HK citizen, I cordially wish it flies as HKALE in the past. As my son is the second batch of NSS, I doubt the standing of HKDSE in the first few batches; I recommend him to "jump ship" to take IB and also I prefer a more effective learning method and better student teacher ratio when I can afford.
I hope I answer your good question.
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-2-20 17:44
ch1970
Pls refer to my replies carefully, I cited the expert report of OCR under UCAS as reference.
作者: ch1970 時間: 12-2-21 01:52
ANChan59 發表於 12-2-20 17:44 
ch1970
Pls refer to my replies carefully, I cited the expert report of OCR under UCAS as reference. ...
作者: Fanny2012 時間: 12-2-21 19:19
大學收生，一向分Jupas and non-jupas，non-jupas不是新事物。2012是雙軌制，有3年制和4年制大學，non-jupas 可二擇其一。
想指出一點，2012年，JUPAS收窄了收生比例至80%。不知道，是不是多了本地生轉考IB, IGCSE的後果!?
換句話說，Non-Jupas系統可提供另外的20%的學位給本地生(如考IB, IGCSE...)、國際生，內地生。可想而知，non-jupas競爭十分激烈。
記得HKU MBBS Admission Talk, 就有不少UK High School家長問，憑GCE A level 全A的成績又有Oxford Medicine Offer，點解都入唔到HKU? 教授話考得MBBS，全是精英，面試對答好重要，不要死讀書的學生。
另外，教授提醒DSE考生，得不到校長推薦到大學面試，不要慌張，只要最終得到理想DSE成績，就有機會入MBBS。到尾，最重要都是公開試的成績。
作者: penguin_chick 時間: 12-2-21 23:15
據我所知，是大學收取非本地生的上限是20%，即非本地生再好，也只可收至20%大學學額。這兩年的非本地生只佔十幾%，未用盡20%的上限，即表示非本地生報考並不踴躍，或是成績不算很好。
非本地生與本地生是一種分類方式，DSE, IB, AL又是另一種分類方法，不要混淆，本地生可以考DSE, 也可以考IB或AL，考IB或AL的本地生也算在80+%之內，並非與非地生爭取那20%學額。
本地生考DSE, IB, AL或其他國成的會考，都是排同一隊，所以大學有權收15000個IB生(如果有這麼多的話)，也可以收15000個DSE生。
聽聞有本地生因同時持有外國護照，又是考AL，所以以非本地生報考，結果收了，但照理應不會有好處，因為如果非本地生已收足20%，而他排第21%，便不獲取錄，反而同樣成績即使在本地生中排第81%，也有機會被取錄，除非有關方面對非本地生有篇好，這就難以估計了！
還大一點，非本地生要交兩倍以上的學費！
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-2-22 00:42
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Penguin_chick
Your comment on
"非本地生與本地生是一種分類方式，DSE, IB, AL又是另一種分類方法，不要混淆，本地生可以考DSE, 也可以考IB或AL，考IB或AL的本地生也算在80+%之內，並非與非地生爭取那20%學額。"
Do you know where I can find the source of your info? It's a good news for my son, if it's valid.
ANChan59
作者: slamai 時間: 12-2-22 13:46
According to my understanding, 分類方式是"非本地生與本地生" and "JUPAS and non-JUPAS". The split of 80:20 between 本地生 and 非本地生 is not rigid. Nevertheless, there is a rigid quota for subsidised places which should all be allocated to 本地生. The statistics that I have come across show that non-JUPAS admission rarely reached 20% before even for the most "international" U in Hong Kong while all 非本地生 belong to this category (plus other 本地生 not following the JUPAS path).
ANChan59 發表於 12-2-22 00:42
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Penguin_chick
Your comment on
"非本地生與本地生是一種分類方式，DSE, IB, AL又是另一種分類方法，不要混淆，本地生可以考DSE, 也可以考IB或AL，考IB或AL的本地生也算在80+%之內，並非與非地生爭取那20%學額。"
Do you know where I can find the source of your info? It's a good news for my son, if it's valid.
ANChan59
作者: amy888 時間: 12-2-22 16:24
My daughter got a condition offer from HKUST(non-jupas). It is her 2nd choice.
Do anyone knows when will the HKU send out the offer?
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-2-22 17:31
amy888 發表於 12-2-22 16:24
My daughter got a condition offer from HKUST(non-jupas). It is her 2nd choice.
Do anyone knows when ...
作者: amy888 時間: 12-2-22 17:39
Is that means no news is bad news.........
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-2-22 18:07
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Did she attend an interview in HKU? She may go to the main round instead of Fast Track only, be positive.
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-2-22 18:32
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slamai
Cut it short.
My son study IBDP in HK, he applies local universities through non-JUPAS, he falls in which quota. Local 80%, non-JUPAS 20%.......... so still 20% quota.
You also mentioned the subsidized places, I guess the 14500 places are UGC funded except the international students.
ANChan59
作者: penguin_chick 時間: 12-2-22 21:50
ANCHAN,
你的兒子應屬LOCAL(除非他有外國護照而又選擇以非本地生報考)，但不限於80%，只要本地生爭氣，是可以全取the 14500(appr) UGC funded places.
根據下文︰2010年的本地非聯招(non-jupas)佔10.3%+7.1%=17.4%，與JUPAS加起來有97.4% (以核准收生人數 14580人為100%計)，而與非本地學生(非聯招)合計有17.4%+12.8%=30.2%，遠高於規定的20%。因此本地NON-JUPAS生不用害怕被非本地生爭學位。事實上不少人士害怕NON-JUPAS生會搶去JUPAS生的學額，更有立法會議員在立會中提出這種憂慮，但孫公重申︰教資會資助院校並沒有就經聯招及非聯招途徑入讀的學生訂定比例！
你鼓勵兒子選擇IB，是名智之舉，也促使你鑽研NSS與IB等制度，使網友都獲益良多！
高校非本地生學額增倍2007
本港高等院校的非本地生限額，所佔總學額比率將由原來的10%增加至20%，預算最快可於08/09學年正式實施……
但供本地生的大學學額並不會因此減少。
http://paper.wenweipo.com [2007-10-30]
201112立法會七題 非聯招收生
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……總括來說，教資會資助院校並沒有就經聯招及非聯招途徑入讀的學生訂定比例。
2005/06 2010/11
核准收生人數 14 500 14 580
實際總收生人數 15 041 16 054
（包括超額收生） （103.7%） （110.1%）
本地學生 14 012 14 195
（96.6%） （97.4%）
聯招 11 458 11 660
（79.0%） （80.0%）
非聯招 1 517 1 502
（副學位或同等學歷） （10.5%） （10.3%）
（註2）
非聯招（其他學歷） 1 037 1 033
（註2, 3） （7.2%） （7.1%）
非本地學生（非聯招） 1 029 1 859
（7.1%） （12.8%）
http://www.info.gov.hk/gia/general/201112/07/P201112070227.htm
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-2-22 23:29
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Thanks so much for your detail reply. You info reflected ~30% non-JUPAS quota matched with what I heard from some professors.
My son study Pre-IB and IB for sometime, I further confirmed that IB is more suitable to his learning style instead of non-JUPAS. He plans to study in HK years ago, IB is his safety net for overseas university and or some top notch university.
Research on NSS and IB just 自求多福 and may help some parents who face the same struggle.
Thanks again.
作者: mattsmum 時間: 12-2-22 23:36
本帖最後由 mattsmum 於 12-2-22 23:38 編輯
the following are my understanding:
A) part:本地學生 14 012 14 195
（96.6%） （97.4%）
consisting of:
1)聯招 11 458 11 660
（79.0%） （80.0%）
2)非聯招 1 517 1 502
（副學位或同等學歷） （10.5%） （10.3%）
（註2）
3)非聯招（其他學歷） 1 037 1 033
（註2, 3） （7.2%） （7.1%）
-----this should be IB/a level etc.
------2011 there were about 1300 IB candidates in HK.
B) part:
the following are from oversea or china:
非本地學生（非聯招） 1 029 1 859
（7.1%） （12.8%）
from UGC website:
按出生地區劃分的教資會資助課程的非本地學生人數，載於http://www.ugc.edu.hk/eng/doc/ug ... nualRpt_2009-10.pdf。八所院校在全球各地招生，但現時大部分學生來自內地。在所有非本地學生中，內地學生佔超過90%，這可能是由於內地與香港聯繫密切，而且內地學生對優質的高等教育需求日增。
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-2-23 00:04
I always have an impression that the quota for mainland students is 5% for undergraduate programs. Am I correct?
作者: penguin_chick 時間: 12-2-25 02:11
收生比例
根據︰
http://www.info.gov.hk/gia/general/201112/07/P201112070227.htm
教資會資助院校並沒有就經聯招及非聯招途徑入讀的學生訂定比例。
http://www.ugc.edu.hk/eng/doc/ug ... nualRpt_2009-10.pdf。
第78頁
09-10年度非本地生有5191人，其中內地生有4562人，佔88%。
這四千多人是包括大一至大三的，平均每級有約千五人，相對每年約萬五大一學額，內地生約佔10%。
到目前為止，我手頭上的資料，有白紙黑字寫明的QUOTA只有一個，就是非本地生人數上限為20%。
非本地生中，內地生與其他如歐美生人數比例沒有規定。
本地生中，聯招(NSS)與非聯招(AL, IB, SAT ..etc)的比例也無規定。這點很易理解，大學收生都是擇優而錄，為甚麼要設限來自縛手腳呢？如果某年首萬五個JUPAS生都有3344的成績，而IB最好的只是24分，那為甚麼要捨3344而取24分；又假如某年只有五千個JUPAS生的成績在2233或以上，而有一萬個IB 40分考生(太跨張了，只是假設)，大學又怎會拾40分而取2233呢？
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-2-25 11:52
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penguine_chick
Thanks for your info. After reading the ending of the reply
透過非聯招入讀的總學生人數增加，主要是因為院校增加取錄非本地學生。近年新增的非本地生是透過在核准學額以外超收錄取，與本地學生並不構成直接競爭，因此院校實際錄取的學生人數亦相應增加至2010/11學年的約16 100人。非本地生須繳交較高的學費。
Does it mean the figure you quoted for mainland students more than 5%, due to some spaces are
核准學額以外超收錄取 and then > 5%.
Just for curiosity.
ANChan59
http://cdcf.ugc.edu.hk/cdcf/searchStatisticReport.do;jsessionid=BC95564AF2AECD051A5B62E13B98A0AB
This link shows the breakdown of student origins, other than local by institution and level of study - 09-10 and 10-11.
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-2-25 12:16
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Yes, correct. He will take local, non-JUPAS route.
作者: penguin_chick 時間: 12-2-25 23:00
根據有關報告，外地生的上限是UGC核准學額的20%，但沒有限制當中的內地生佔多少，即可以佔全數的20%。我則希望內地生與其他外地生都有，內地生通常都很勤力，可作本地生的榜樣，其他外地生則可擴闊本地生的國際視野。
作者: slamai 時間: 12-2-28 14:43
As others have already explained in details above, there is no split in quota to distinguish between local JUPAS and local non-JUPAS candidates for the subsidised places.
ANChan59 發表於 12-2-22 18:32
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作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-2-28 15:10
slamai 發表於 12-2-28 14:43
As others have already explained in details above, there is no split in quota to distinguish between ...
It's a good news for local non-JUPAS students.
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