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作者: leungchai 時間: 12-3-22 01:33 標題: 小四數學很差，應用題不懂，真煩！
We have been trying our best to review the questions for him. He's a slow learner and cannot understand the questions in detail. Feeling very tired and frustrated, what to do??? Pls help!! Besides, he's very careless in doing the work, whenever he faces the mid-term or final exam which includes a lot of topics, he's got everything in a mess!!
Please help, or should I find a private tutor to him on a 1 to 1 basis, any good reference?
作者: miffy 時間: 12-3-22 10:54
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作者: waiyuktsoi 時間: 12-3-22 11:10
我個女三年班數學勁差
作者: 囝囝mama 時間: 12-3-22 11:17
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要快D補救!!四年班真的深很多!!!平時是否有爸爸跟數學?
作者: smallfoothk 時間: 12-3-22 11:25
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差,可能有很多原因,找出才可救,做練習好方法
作者: 囝囝mama 時間: 12-3-22 11:34
本帖最後由 囝囝mama 於 12-3-22 11:34 編輯
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是心算還是文字題失分?或者做一本學林數學練習?佢會教數學概念!如何做算式,幾好的!!容易D理解
作者: 囝囝mama 時間: 12-3-22 11:44
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大眾書局,中華書局,(三聯應該都有)!!!
作者: motherotk 時間: 12-3-22 18:58
本帖最後由 motherotk 於 12-3-23 00:33 編輯
學林 exercise is good
My experience: if the kids are not good at Maths, don't try tutorial class or tutors unless the tutors understand your child's situations, maths need to teach one by one by parent, with patience and understanding of kid's level, and step by step concepts should be consolidated
My experience:
1) Observe what are the difficulties, e.g. don't undrestand the wordings or don't understand the concepts..
2) Understand the concept first, then select some of the questions that she repeatedly wrong to provide similar questions to practice..
3) accept the fact that some of the questions will never be understood by the kid, then just give up these few questions and focusing on what she can understand...don't get her frustrated, get her some learning satisfactions, to keep her going on with the learning, to have a sense of control that she is able to master...
作者: sallyhuang 時間: 12-3-22 20:09
試下畫圖解釋
作者: access 時間: 12-3-22 21:21
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作者: motherotk 時間: 12-3-24 14:09
"He's poor in understanding the question and applying the concept. He's a "straight" boy. He's OK in pure calculation but not the long questions"
Similar situation with my girl
I suggest you go to be basic concept first, do exercise with every concept, then deal with the problem solving...
Check PM
作者: motherotk 時間: 12-3-24 14:20
sometimes may lower the expectation, probably this is the limitation, then try to foused on other strengths to make up the marks..
For my girl, complicated maths will be difficult for her, whatever tutorial will not help, because of the limitations, but with my intensive training on the workable areas, can minimize the damage or chances to be failed, or if lucky, will have above average results sometimes..
作者: Charlotte_mom 時間: 12-3-24 17:06
我女呢, 所有基本野都識, 都明, 但唔夠純熟, 數感亦唔夠d男仔強(直到而家p6喇, 100除4都幾乎要用直式至知係25), 當學校d題目鐘意"炒埋一碟", 我女就c得喇, 打個比喻: 四方型周界16cm, 現在邊長增加1/4, 新周界是多少? 我女唔識做, 我問佢, 四方型周界16cm, 咁邊長幾多呀? 佢答我4lor, 我再話, 咁新既邊長增加1/4, 又即係幾多呀, 佢答: 5lor, 我又問: 咁新周界係幾多呀, 佢識答我20了!
所以我女問題出o係"策略"上
你可以試下買d坊間最基本既練習返黎, 叫你女做一版, 睇下佢識唔識, 如果佢輕鬆解決到, 就可以慳返d時間o係基本操練(無謂反覆做到佢都無心機啦), 而可以直接跳去解題/列式/高階思維, "學林"出版社d數學練習有一個系列叫"應用題及解題思路", 係專訓練小朋友step by step去解題的, 不妨一試, 如果問題係連基本野都未攪得掂, 而你自己又操練得好氣餒, 我會建議你搵專人教啦, 而家我女p6, 搵上門補數都係$100/hr, 我死少好多細胞..............
作者: motherotk 時間: 12-3-25 09:42
本帖最後由 motherotk 於 12-3-25 09:56 編輯
My girl has learning difficulties, very different learning process from son, so have to understanding and accept this difference:
I) getting marks strategies:
1) work on the workable areas;
2) practice and practice to get the high marks on workable areas; usually i can get 40-45/50 marks in test, for those difficult ones, you just let go..
II) getting the concept right (need more time and you need to know what concept he does not know, so if for tutorial, you may not know him well, use long holidays to work on these)
1) go back to P3 or P2 concepts (during long holidays) , to check what are the solid understnading level, start from there, teach him one concept, consolidate, then go to another step..
2) for learning difficulties kids, one small step at one time, then learning build up on these small steps.. repeat and repeat the same concept, come back to the previous concepts.....all these I am working, tutors cannot do this.
III) supports from parents and teachers
1) enormous patience, understanding from parents, understand that this is not the child's fault or the child's "laziness", it's some types of "limitations", just like when a child have visual difficulties, you cannot force him to see clear pictures without eyeclasses, and based on these to say he is incapable. As paresnts, you need to prepare a glasses for him, to teach him to learn within his limitations, and to use alternative ways of learning strategies. These cannot be done by tutors, unless you have an excellent tutors who understand these types of children, otherwise, another source of stress for the kids.
2) Motivate his learning, avoid emotional stress, get him a sense of control over learning.
3) To assess carefully the school envirnoment, if this is facilitating or limiting his learning, connect with teachers to accoomodate him, like special exam arrangements if possible.
4) Do not compare with children without learning difficuties, but never under-estimate the potentials if with good support
作者: access 時間: 12-3-25 12:17
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作者: motherotk 時間: 12-3-25 13:01
"驗證小學階段的數學並不需要與生俱來的天分" - why need validation..?
My purpose of learning - understand children's potential, as well as their barriers and limitations. Expand the potentials, develop them, accept the barriers and limitation (every kid's differnt)...
For children with special learning needs, special issues need to aware. that's why if parents feel ok to accept, it's better to teach by ourselves, as wehn you teach, you know what's happening to them...
作者: motherotk 時間: 12-3-25 13:03
本帖最後由 motherotk 於 12-3-25 13:28 編輯
I do believe that level of IQ related to Maths problem solving...Children with special learning needs, if child got higher IQ, less difficulties, average IQ (not low, not high e.g. 120 or up, but average 8x-100) + other difficulties and limitations, then you have to take spcial attention, to understand carefully and detailly about his/her limitations, and work on these limitations,
知己知彼百戰百勝!! No one will be caring and understanding than you on your kids. get a detailed understanding on children's potential and limitations through detailed assessment reports. you know how to work with them realistically.
If IQ high (say 120-140) with maths problems, then it's about the learning habit, or problems in the parent-child interaction or teacher-student interaction, can work on the habit, work through the relationship, or this can be done by tutors. Kids will achieve quickly...
作者: access 時間: 12-3-25 14:44
本帖最後由 access 於 12-3-25 15:04 編輯
motherotk 發表於 12-3-25 13:01 
"驗證小學階段的數學並不需要與生俱來的天分" - why need validation..?
先天是比較難去衡量，看見很多家長常常說在某方面已經盡了力幫助子女，但仍沒有效果，便很容易得出子女能力欠佳的結論，我不否定當中一定有此情況，但也不肯定是否每一位家長也具備足夠的知識和方法、以至足夠的耐性，一步一步解決子女的問題。如我能改善一些數學成績一直表現欠佳的學生，證明方法和技巧在小學階段的數學比諉過於資質更實際有效。
另一方面，限於各自的能力和經驗，可能不是每一位家長都有能力比教師或擅長某方面的人更能瞭解自己的子女，在此情況下，亦只能放手交給別人。即使是有心有力的家長，不斷與時並進，學習更多的技巧、知識及集思廣益，亦未嘗不好。
我是十分認同妳的理念和方法，只是我的對象是一些力有未逮或已經盡了力仍未見成效的家長們。
作者: motherotk 時間: 12-3-25 14:53
本帖最後由 motherotk 於 12-3-25 14:58 編輯
Parents can learn, if you believe that children can learn, why parents cannot learn!!
My personal experience: I never concern my son's homework as he is soo independent and I hate to teach children myself in the past as I was crazy at work. However, this is a challenge for me when the daughter come to have learning challenges. I believe that I can learn, only you learn, you know your child can learn.
Primary school math is simple, most of the parents can handle. we share experiences here, this is the platform to learn
I do think that sometimes if too stressful, you can have others help...but as parents, we have to handle our emotion before we can go on to teach our children...children are children, they are not mini adults, we need to really understand them, to learn to communicate with them....
作者: access 時間: 12-3-25 22:46
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作者: access 時間: 12-3-26 11:07
本帖最後由 access 於 12-3-26 12:08 編輯
各位版主，
是否自動禁言，對我而言並不重要。我從來不替人補習，而是以一個義工的身分，提供一些意見或方法給參考。如果BK連這樣的發言權利都要扼殺，於我而言亦不見得有甚麼損失。
access
屏蔽半小時前你的主題 小四數學很差，應用題不懂，真煩！ 被 JoJo 屏蔽帖子
違規宣傳. 請勿在版面作個人宣傳 (替人補習, 無論收錢與否也不能張帖此類回覆, 請看基本版規). 如再發現閣下違規, 會發給警告牌, 累積三次, 會被系統自動禁言, 敬請注意!
作者: JoJo 時間: 12-3-26 16:10
本帖最後由 JoJo 於 12-3-27 23:34 編輯
access 發表於 12-3-26 11:07 
各位版主，
是否自動禁言，對我而言並不重要。我從來不替人補習
，而是以一個義工的身分，提供一些意見或方法給參考。如果BK連這樣的發言權利都要扼殺，於我而言亦不見得有甚麼損失。
access
閣下在第一個回覆已表明可以替人補習. 還要看地區, 這已是違規 (不論是否以義工身份).
在這裡發言必要先看清楚版規, 違規回覆一定會屏蔽及給予通知.
如連這基本版規也不能遵守而強詞奪理說是扼殺發言權利, 抱歉你要禁言七天, 以作冷靜.
作者: access 時間: 12-4-6 19:14
本帖最後由 access 於 12-4-6 21:33 編輯
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hi JoJo,
提供協助=補習? 
不定期地指點日常生活中可用的方法和竅門，不牽涉金錢也算補習？
access
作者: iantsang 時間: 12-4-6 22:37
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Access,
請先參考以下版規:
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iantsang
作者: access 時間: 12-4-6 22:53
本帖最後由 access 於 12-4-6 23:13 編輯
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hi iantsang,
多謝回覆！
明白和同意你說的意思，但本人並非提供服務，而是幫助，兩者之間應有分別。
其次，收錢或免費的才是客，趁自己現在尚有餘力，本人會當作朋友和親子，義務和回饋社會。
本人並非想與版主們在此爭辯，其一本人不會贏，其二贏了也沒好處，只是希望提醒不用太敏感，以免殺錯良民。
本人一向直言，如有得罪，多多包涵！
access
作者: JoJo 時間: 12-4-6 23:09
access,
先感激你能仗義去幫助有需要的人. 可惜在討論區內真的不能在版面作這樣發帖回覆. 有違版規.
敬請見諒!
作者: iantsang 時間: 12-4-7 15:12
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Hi access,
多謝你的助人精神!
但是請見諒我們作為版主，實際上不得不比較敏感。
至於你早前直言，我不能怪你，我自己做過的事（無論情願與否）還是要自己負責任的，對嗎？
謝謝你的體諒。
iantsang
作者: access 時間: 12-4-7 16:00
本帖最後由 access 於 12-4-7 16:03 編輯
不打不相識，誤會到此為止，多謝兩位版主。
access
作者: LEE老師 時間: 12-4-8 14:45
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你的意見很好
但留意一件事: 家長未必知道何謂"數學概念". 因為我們讀書的年代, 很多時, 都只是學計數, 老師沒教概念, 即是說, 我們未必學過概念.
因此, 家長未必懂得教概念
另外, 樓主的小朋友是不懂, 還是有其他學習問題, 例如他有沒有讀寫障礙? 因為文字題需理解文字
如果樓主懂得"教數學概念", 然後每教完概念後附以相應的練習, 一步一步, 單對單, 很快會見效
作者: 青青河邊草 時間: 12-4-8 17:15
佢間學校係咪用英文學數學呀?
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