派不到M1 或M2數

cow

原帖由 ANChan59 於 11-7-19 13:19 發表
M2 > M1 is based on the expert report of HKDSE in UCAS. If your kid may study in UK, you need to be careful.

I just looked at the may-be-not-updated table at http://www.ucas.ac.uk/students/ucas_tariff/factsheet/hkdip
and was lazy to look into the report.

The report does mention M2>M1 but in HK M2=M1, therefore it's still better to study M1 unless one's maths is very good.

cow

原帖由 gigivinda 於 11-7-21 13:52 發表
哎呀，真是忍不住要出句聲，不是大學收了就夠，要在大學讀得自在才成，也要大學畢業以后考專業試得心應手才成。沒有了calculus （M1/M2), Econ, Finance, Accounting, Physics, Insurance etc 都會讀得吃力。建議：不考試也要自修。

Agree if one's target subjects in U are Econ, Finance, Accounting, Physics, Engineering, and Insurance etc.

cow

HKCEE A.Maths is definately more difficult than Maths.

cow

原帖由 雙儿 於 11-7-23 17:44 發表
Everyone knows the topics of additional maths are more advanced than maths, including me. I'm not referring to the adsolute difficulty of the questions in the paper per se. When I say a paper is easy or difficult, I refer to the relative difficulty in getting a good grade.

In terms of absolute difficulty and the difficulty to get a good grade. A.Maths is more difficult than Maths.

For the same batch of students taking A.Maths and Maths, the percentage of students getting good grades in Maths must be greater than that in A. Maths.

[ 本帖最後由 cow 於 11-7-23 22:59 編輯 ]

cow

雙儿,

Don't use statisitc to fool yourself.
For those people taking A.Maths and Maths. Properly they will get the follwing grades:
Maths (A), A.Maths (A-D)
Maths (B), A.Mahts (A-D)
Maths (C), A.Mahts (D-fail)
Mahts (D), A.Mahts (E-fail)

In my old day, over 3/4 of my classmates got A in Maths but less than 1/2 got A in A.Maths. Over 90% got A-B in Maths but the figure is much lower in A.Maths. All got A-C in Maths but not all could get A-C in A.Maths.

If you want to use statistic:
Grade A in GCE AS English (10%)
Grade 7 in IBDP A1 SL English (~4%)
Grade A in HKU UE (less than 2%)
Don't tell me that HKU UE is the most difficult. In fact, IBDP A1 English is the most difficult.

You can also compare the IGCSE O Level English as 1st language with the one for 2nd language.

cow

雙儿,

You have to admit that you have given wrong analysis to your daughter if you have told her that studying A.Maths is easier to get a good grade than studying Maths.

Obviously you are not the one who took both Maths and A.Maths in HKCEE. Ask someone who has taken both subjects and you will get an answer. Actually you have got your answer already - the profiles of the candidates taking A.Maths and Maths are different.

By the way all of my classmates passed A.Maths.  

2010 HKCEE Grade A/5* percentage
English 1.2%
Literature in English 7%
Maths 3.4%
A.Maths 6.0%

2010 HKCEE Grade A-C/5*-4 percentage
English 17.3%
Literature in English 39.2%
Maths 28%
A. Maths 39%

[ 本帖最後由 cow 於 11-7-24 19:55 編輯 ]

cow

A Physicist, a Biologist, and a Statistician see two people enter an empty house, and then after some time, they see three people leave the house.

The Physicist concludes, "My initial observation must have been incorrect."

The Biologist concludes, "Clearly, the two reproduced..."

The Statistician concludes, "Well, if one more person enters the house, then there will be no-one in the house!"

cow

雙儿,

You are absolutely correct that A.Maths is more (absolute) difficult does not means it's more difficult to get a good grade than Mahts. But I have told you the truth that A.Maths is also more difficult to get a good grade than Maths because most people taking A.Maths are good in Maths but almost all students take Maths.

I have told you the fact of my classmates already - 3/4 got A in Maths and less than 1/2 got A in A.Maths...all got A-C in Maths but not all could in A.Maths.

Here are the solid figures I know:
Maths (A), A.Maths(A)
Maths (A),A.Maths(C)
Maths (B), A.Maths (D)
Maths (C), A.Maths (D)
Maths (C), A. Maths (D or below)
Maths (E), A. Maths (failed)

Usually one will have higher grade in A.Maths than in Maths is:
Maths (B), A.Maths (A)
due to careless.

Plesae share your real figures if you do have. If you don't have, please do some researches.

cow

雙儿,

fyi
From school web site:
St Bonaventure College & High School
2006 HKCEE result
Passing rate of Maths and A.Maths
Class C (85.71, 26.32)
Class D (100%, 81.4%)

Hearsay:
XX敎育中心數學主任吳Sir
- 聖XX英文書院前數學教師；
- 其任敎之2010年會考班45人中, 全部學生數學科成績均獲C級或以上, 半數以上更取得A級, 而附加數學也有半數獲A級佳績

[ 本帖最後由 cow 於 11-7-25 16:37 編輯 ]

cow

原帖由 雙儿 於 11-7-28 19:35 發表
你以為學生同時考additional maths 及 maths時， additional maths 會高一個grade，呢個肯定係錯嘅。用番2010數字，考到 additional maths A or B grade 嘅有3523人，比maths A grade 嘅3035人重要多，換句話說，就算non-additional maths 考生冇人 maths 考到Ａ都唔得。

學生同時考A.Maths及Maths, Maths唔一定高一個grade. 有D學生A.Maths有A,但Maths只有B. 對Maths好但不小心好的學生，A.Maths是比較易拿A。

但一班學生同時考A.Maths及Maths, 整體Maths拿A會比A.Maths拿A多，Maths拿A－Ｃ會比A.Maths拿A－Ｃ多。

cow

原帖由 雙儿 於 11-7-30 09:04 發表
You also ignore the complication that when a student takes both additional maths and maths, naturally he will devote more time on "maths" in general and statistically we have to discount this distortion when comparing an A-maths student's performance in maths against a non-A-maths student in maths if we want to know what if the amount of preparation is the more or less the same.

We just need to compare in general whether it is easy for students to get good results in Maths or in A.Maths. We don't need to consider how much time they spend on 'Maths' in general . However you have got a very good point that the time of students spending on Maths and A.Maths is relevant.

For me as an example, I put more than double if not triple time in A.Maths than in Maths but my Maths result is still higher than my A.Maths. My classmates also spent more than in A.Maths. Therefore, adding such a factor, A.Maths is even more difficult to get a good result.

cow

// devote more time on "maths" in general

BookloverJ,
I think 雙儿 means devote more time on A.Maths and Maths and other maths.

cow

原帖由 eviepa 於 11-7-31 10:00 發表
我們是天主教教區直轄中學裡，會考成績最好的一間。

eviepa,
以你提供的A.Maths和Maths成績, 恐怕貴校(以A.Maths和Maths而言)當年(~1980)並不是天主教教區直轄中學裡，會考成績最好的一間。
會考成績最好應是聖若瑟英文中學, 其次是觀塘瑪利諾書院/伍華書院.

cow

eviepa,

也多謝你的指正。聖若瑟英文中學和觀塘瑪利諾書院應是後期才由天主教教區管理。

伍華是其中之一, 當年可以稱得上是地區名校。貴母校當年會考成績可能不及伍華, 但現在一定比伍華好.

[ 本帖最後由 cow 於 11-8-1 06:58 編輯 ]

cow

雙儿,

For MSS
A.Maths(A-C):slightly greater than 70%
Mahts(A-C):slightly less than 70%
A.Maths (for small number of students only)
Maths (for all students)

For A.Maths group students, should be near 100% got A-C in Maths. For non-A.Maths group (including Arts and Science students) may be less than 50% got A-C.

We should focus on the A.Maths group students that the average grade of Maths should be higher than A.Maths.

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An analysis of the regression of science stream
matriculation results on certificate of education
examination performances in Hong Kong.
(p39-40)
hub.hku.hk/bitstream/10722/40781/1/FullText.pdf


iii) the mean of performance in C.E.E. Mathematics is 7.3 corresponding to a grade lying between B and A which is exceptionally high, and the standard deviation of 0.73 is abnormally low - such reduced variability of the predictor would most probably hamper its predictive value for the
criterion;

iv) approximately 7/9 of the students in the sample sat for C.E.E. Additional Mathematics, and the attained mean of performance is 6.1, which is much lower than that of Mathematics; and

[ 本帖最後由 cow 於 11-8-1 16:44 編輯 ]

cow

http://www.hkeaa.edu.hk/doclibra ... /alexamstat08_6.pdf
2008首次報考HKAL Pure Maths的日校考生有6557其中有6475人有考HKCEE A.Maths.
HKCEE Maths:
A. 1359
B. 2730
C. 2138
D:   320
E:       9
F:       1

HKCEE A.Maths:
A:   712
B: 1449
C: 2231
D: 1710
E:    346
F:      22
U:       5

http://www.hkeaa.edu.hk/doclibra ... 7/alexamrep07_6.pdf
2007首次報考HKAL Pure Maths的日校考生有6507其中有6413人有考HKCEE A.Maths.
HKCEE Maths:
A. 1426
B. 2702
C. 2097
D:  271
E:    10
F:      1

HKCEE A.Maths:
A:  830
B: 1457
C: 2249
D: 1500
E:   360
F:     15
U:      2