Siblings 在CKY和傳統學校的分别

sschiu

我們便是這個case，仔在CKY讀Y6，女在傳統讀P3。我可以寫一份論文關於他們的學習情況！在CKY，劉校長不斷提醒我們，孩子要有愉快學習的童年；在女兒學校，校長在小一入學家長會上已來不及警告，＂唔好唸住可以愉快學習，否則到五、六年級時你會好痛苦！＂聽到都驚，也佩服她的坦白。還有，她也說每個人都有不同的＂高矮肥瘦＂，不是每個人都可以讀倒這學校的。這跟CKY的信念：every child is good at something成很大對比！

時間方面，很自然給了妹妹80%，要應付她每周默書，每年三測三考。你不陪公主讀書也可以，除非你不介意低分過別人，名次落後吧。在CKY也有挑戰站和assessments，但不會有與人爭名次、鬥高分的壓力，不需要操卷，但我們平時也有用時間看看他的功課，了解他在學習甚麼，發現有弱的地方時便要幫幫他。少了時間給哥哥，結果是他被迫要自己學獨立，自己負責，幸好CKY是較包容的！

女兒學校的測驗考試全部有model answer，大家考試時找past papers操練。連Reading科也有，老師甚至會要求她們把部分段落背誦，那麼考試時直接默出來就可以攞分了。CKY就比較少依賴model answer，很多時要求學生要有分析能力或表達自己意見，所以書寫能力一定要學好。

我自己就很喜歡CKY經常讓學生做presentation，在人面前分享，兒子現在很獨立、表達能力強、有自信。傳統學校就課程框架清晰，大家知道每學期在學甚麼，也方便家長和補習老師。

sschiu

主要是因為妹妹考小一時，哥哥還在小三，我們對CKY不是很有信心，當時哥哥也有遇到不好的老師（已經離開）。後來妹妹成功獲派心儀的傳統女校，就沒再想其他學校了。

sschiu

原帖由 fatgoat 於 13-06-13 發表
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原帖由 channgaki 於 13-06-13 發表
多謝分享，我了解學校多了。除了學術上不同之處外，可否再告知在德育、紀律、品德、discipline等分別
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其實兩間學校都很著重品格培養，傳統天主教學校當然嚴格一點！個人觀察，孩子的品格最受父母和家庭影響。

sschiu

原帖由 sasa1202 於 13-06-14 發表
Thanks for the sharing.  I totally agree that all CKY did is theoretically sounded, but in reality,  ...

I think it is difficult and not fair to compare the "academic" of CKY and my daughter's school. The learning process and emphasis are very different. For example, CKY kids write a lot of journals, reports, creative writing since Yr 1 but my daughter just started to write short English paragraphs at P2. For Chinese, she just started writing longer pieces at P3. However, she has been learning a lot of grammar rules, vocabs, verb lists etc and keep practising them since P1. At CKY, there are fewer drills in grammar and vocab, but more book reports to do. Book reports at CKY allow a lot more freedom, while at my daughter's school there are a lot of guidelines to follow, and I would say, limit their freedom to think and reflect on their reading. Sometimes marks are deducted if you think too far away outside of the box!

sschiu

Continue...at CKY there are also a lot more opportunities to learn about doing presentions, group discussions and team work. There is a stronger environment of English and Putonghua, I believe it is because there are A LOT MORE native English and PTH teachers. At my daughter's school, they are required to speak in English in school but their motivation is not as strong and they do not speak as naturally as CKY kids. May be it is because most teachers are local they just don't have the feel of an "English speaking environment". For PTH, can't be compared with CKY at all! Hope the above information is helpful!

sschiu

原帖由 train 於 13-06-14 發表
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哥哥六年級了, 哪麼愉快學習，是否到五、六年級時會好痛苦? 滿不滿意CKY的成果? ...

哥哥到五、六年級時仍然很愉快！不過工作量和要求是突然加重的。五年級集中教寫論文，由資料搜集開始至寫好論文再present，對他來說是有點挑戰的！所以由Yr 1 to 4的語文基礎一定要打好。升Yr 6又是另一轉捩點，因為升了中學，學校真的在教別人中學的課程，又有中史、地理等專科，又要學法文！一個學年下來好像還未warm up呢！

sschiu

sads1202, I can't say she "enjoys" very much but she adapts well in three years. She is the "good girl" type and follows teachers' instructions closely. She has got some very good friends at school so she is happy. She also likes some of her teachers and enjoys their lessons.

We try to keep a balance on school work and extra curricular activities for her. I let her spend a lot of time and energy on her favourite ballet, gymnastics, art...you can imagine we haven't pushed her for high scores but keep her at a "comfortable" level. I am not the helicopter kind of mum that checks homework and schoolbag everyday. So, she is fine, and me too...for now!

sschiu

mandyk105 發表於 13-6-25 14:51
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好開心聽到你的分享.   有一個問題想問, 仔仔 及囡囡的性格如何 ?  你考慮IB or 傳統 ...

mandyk105:
其實當年的阿仔都屬較内向，被動的類型，我很擔心他如果入傳統學校，會變成更被動，只會死讀書的呆子！所以不如賭一鋪讓他讀CKY，希望能開啓他的小腦袋。我記得Yr 1-2時他是有點吃力的，但幸運地，Yr 3遇到了一位很好的老師，竟能使他開竅起來，那年還獲得最佳進步獎！Yr 4-5他已經變成了另一個人，非常talkative並且很主動！

妹妹就屬動靜皆宜的乖女型，能集中上課，聼老師話又很自動自覺做功課那種，也喜歡說話，我覺得她反而是傳統或國際學校都可以適應的。

只是一點點分享希望幫到你。

sschiu

基礎很好我不敢說，我估不能與傳統名校直接比較。但他們剛考完TSA，阿仔說覺得容易，所以CKY學生水平應該不差的。

如果讀PYP，MYP一條龍，學費一定貴很多！

sschiu

哥哥也不會支持不住，問題是家長有幾支持得住出來的"產品"？

sschiu

原帖由 陳皮爸媽 於 13-07-12 發表
Sschiu: 請問家長的involve 多不多？如溫習，projects 等，仔仔的功課量又多不多？

另外如果學課外活動， ...

請問你是否準備入小一的呢？聽說現在的小學的情況跟我們那些年的已經很不同，不如請現在在低小階段的家長回答比較好？但總體而言，我覺得家長是要多參與的，要不然有一天會被嚇一驚的！

課外活動是要另外收費的！

sschiu

lewis5 發表於 13-7-19 00:04
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It is because we, as parents, are exhausted with the school's pace - too much  ...

lewis5: It is very wrong to think that CKY is a place for escape from the traditional school pressure you are experiencing now! Actually you may be even MORE frustrated with CKY's style of teaching if you are already used to the traditional style. While in your daughter's school they will give you full details of curriculum structure (at least from the textbooks) and full guidelines of expectations (as in my girl's school, pages of rules to tell you how marks will be deducted in dictations, e.g. the letter "a" is "taller" than the blue line, commas cannot be too long, etc). At CKY, they only give you a high-level objective of the unit's learning (e.g. about "inventions" at Y6, for example) and then give students reading materials and worksheets around that topic. Occasionally there were grammar notes and exercises and then some quizzes to "test" their understanding. However, quizzes were not announced beforehand and they would not have revised (or learnt) to prepare for them. Some parents prefer this style because there will not be any pressure in helping children to excel in the quizzes. There is also no need to compare with other classmates and aim for higher scores next time. I think some parents like this kind of teaching style which is in between traditional and international schools. For those who monitor more closely may step in more to support the child (e.g. with extra tuitions), for those who are more care-free will be most happy when they see the brilliant booklets and posters the child created but may be horrified when one day they found that the child's ICAS scores has dropped suddenly! The question is, can you let go of being able to control / monitor your daughter's progress, and to know exactly what she is going to learn, in return for less pressure?

I think there are pros and cons for both traditional and CKY style schools. For your case I will also consider the chance of going on to a good secondary secondary. (How is the banding of your daughter's school right now? What is the chance of getting into a good band 1 secondary school, etc?) You may also want to consider if you want to take DSE? If you choose CKY your daughter will be taking international exams at the end. Also, will you send your daughter abroad for university? If not, probably staying with a GOOD traditional school may be more guaranteeing!

Just my two cents. Hope can help a bit. You may also see this thread for a reference:
http://www.edu-kingdom.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=2622878&extra=page%3D1  
   

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lewis5: you asked about assessments at CKY. When my son was in primary, the teachers told parents that there is no need to help them study, and worksheets and workbooks were not allowed to bring home for revision (a few occasions for my case). In fact even if my son had brought his worksheets home, I would not have known how to help him study since there was no textbooks at all! I think the school really wanted children and parents not to have any pressure in tests and assessments, as this is the ideal of Principal Lau. They wanted to know how children have been learning in daily classroom. For children who were not able to do well in the assessments, they will be recommended to attend after-school intensive classes. My son had attended the Chinese ICC and it really helped him improve. I am sure you know how different it is in traditional schools about exams and tests and there is no need for me to compare here.

I have to emphasise that this was the case several years ago and I really do not know if they are handling assessments differently in primary now.

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原帖由 kyliema2006 於 13-07-19 發表
看來ckwliu對學校頗為不滿。我在蔡繼有所見的孩子，有些越來越強，亦有些賣老本的學生，對中學係被大市拋離 ...

Kyliema2006: 你的意思是，被大市拋離了的學生應要走是吧？不能自學自強的不適合...這是學校／劉校長／老師對教育的態度嗎？請你clarify ？（可是我們見到不少成績最好的能成功轉校啊！）

sschiu

如果要孩子不要迷失就要有人帶領他們，教他們有用的知識，用地圖和指南針找到方向，迷失時便要引領他們囘正確航道。我覺得這是老師應有的責任！在CKY六年，我見到有的老師做到了（阿仔也有幸遇過幾位），但也有些是令人失望的。我覺得學校真的要加強品質管理 (quality management)，不能讓迷途的學生自生自滅。