學象棋與圍棋,邊樣好D?

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睇下你覺得咩野叫做"好D"啦!
捉棋基本上是有益身心的活動.
致於什麼什麼訓練思維,專注力....我唔敢話錯,但就覺得真係唔知係雞先定係蛋先勒. 你見棋会聚埋的大人,小朋友其實by nature都係同類人,ie邏輯思維強的人,果d e方面弱既學學下已沒有学啦,有d就仲被家長迫返棋社學棋,有d家長以為真係學下棋小朋友的思維能力/專注力真係会提升,但迫唔到幾多年嫁! 学下係好,但係唔好期望太高&太實用主義.
純粹玩下,咪兩样都响屋企教下佢先,睇佢對邊樣有興趣.
不過我都同意,就高階思維來說,圍棋比象棋深一些,變化亦多一些.

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原帖由 judy 於 09-7-9 09:51 發表


圍棋可以小一點學。

同意! 因為d棋子可以亂咁放都得,而象棋就要按rules行,不能亂放.
我阿仔4歲時已曉捉圍棋,中國象棋&國际象棋.圍棋係唯一一样佢响外面學(當時,而家無學),我見有d小朋友根本完全唔明,不過一样可以對奕,因為無論佢識到咩程度,只要放d子上"點"上,又唔自殺的話,都可以玩.d父母唔知佢地浪費時間&$.

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原帖由 judy 於 09-7-9 10:55 發表


四歲曉捉圍棋,中國象棋&國际象棋，一定要好聰明至得。換着阿仔，我死得喇！

學圍棋另一好處就是學幾多、玩幾多。

好似我剛教阿仔點樣吃棋、點樣征子，點樣連，己可玩餐飽。例如教連仔，我在大棋盤上擺上七、八堆棋，每一堆都叫 ...

聰明與否見仁見智.佢係棋人,又係數人,一開始就唔洗用小朋友的術語教佢,好多野係自己睇棋書學.我只係教佢書上唔認得既字.所以我先有感而發,物以類聚,請d家長唔好以為學左棋對xxxxx有好大幫助,佢就算唔捉棋,果d所謂xxx邏輯思維,推理能力...數學...一樣好好.响棋社見果d捉得好既人都係e類.又d人就捉到某個水平就無咩突破嫁,你見佢地好專注,唔好以為棋訓練到佢地咁專注,只係因為e d 人太愛棋,我個仔對住棋 or 棋書可以幾個鐘頭唔郁,但係上音樂班就十分鐘都頂唔順. 當佢e d 野好,又有其他野弱. 我自己反而唔鍾意佢花太多時間捉棋.

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原帖由 foolish.mom 於 09-7-9 13:53 發表
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I agree that it may be a chicken and egg relationship: those who like chess and play well are basically strong in logical. But I think 圍棋 also train the right brain.
You are right that those  ...

Mmm....You really understand me! As a mother,not a coach,I hope my kid can has all-rounded development. If you watch "Birdy",you will know my worries. Those who have something too strong may not be very good for their personalities development. Your kid must studies in IS as he still can learn Chinese characters through Chess books. However, mine studies in local school, chess books cannot meet this purpose.
Anyway,I agree go chess can train both left brain and right brain. Mine can remember all the moves in a chess game and re-plays it without recording(打譜),but for go chess,he cannot remember all moves. Somehow go chess is more difficult, it's really 博大精深!!
You are right that playing chess online game is better than other computer game. I think it's good for my kid to do as he is asking for playing computer game recently. Could u give me the websites which kids can play chess online?

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Thank you very much! Actually he participated in some tournaments and got some awards in those competitions b4. However, I think it really time consuming. To me,chess is good when it's only an interest which kids play when they have leisure time.
Thanks for the link,next time he asks for computer game,I'll let him play this instead.

原帖由 foolish.mom 於 09-7-9 20:57 發表
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Hong Kong chess players usually go to these websites:

www.eweiqi.com

www.gokgs.com

Later on, you may consider letting your kid take part in some competitions. He will learn more, e.g. how to ...

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原帖由 foolish.mom 於 09-7-10 22:20 發表
eviepa,

圍棋 has a universal recognised system of achievement and advancement level, that is 段, but chinese chess doesn't have this system. 圍棋 is also becoming more popular today. Japanese and Kor ...

同意!圍棋是越來越普及,尤其是在小朋友的圈子.HK的棋會捉圍棋的小朋友亦多得很,國內很些幼稚園視圍棋如必修科.
由於段位制,認受性亦相對高,這是中國象棋未能比擬之處,(當然,指的是段位非級位).這對初學者雖未必有特別意義,但對習棋有一段時間,又有能力的棋手來說,是一個目標.
至於兩棋之別,在對高階思維的訓練來說,圍棋是勝一籌.象棋的變化相對少很多,佈局,策略的方法遠比圍棋的選擇少. 如果精於兩棋者,應明白箇中道理.
不過我始終覺得,那什麼什麼段練思考、增強專注力、培養勝不驕、敗不餒的態度。說來好聽,聽下就算,不要期望太高,小朋友做其他活動亦能達此效果.

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原帖由 eviepa 於 09-7-11 08:25 發表
圍棋跟象棋那種棋變化較多？如果用電腦去計算，圍棋的變化確是較多。但這只是一個很理論化的層次，實際上，相對於人腦來說，兩者都是無限。一個象棋國手，以高超智慧，窮一生的精力，也不能將象棋的所有變化拆解，這和圍棋是完全一樣的。總之，對一個凡人來說圍棋的變化是無限，象棋的變化也是無限，不分上下。

圍棋的變化確是較多,這並不只留於理論層次,任何一個有相當棋力的棋手都能指出,亦因為其中牽涉太多可能性,所以全盤的掌握難度相當高.兩棋涉及的思維能力是有高低之別的.所以你見到坊間的所謂導師,捉來捉去都不過業餘1,2段(有些跟本未評級),就是他的極限,他們的高階思維能力僅此而已,那麼,什麼對他來說都是無限. 這種討論意义不大.就如我問工筆/意筆畫的比較,對方不会go into details,只會答"兩者都要窮一生的精力去鑽研....",仲有咩好講

原帖由 eviepa 於 09-7-11 08:25 發表



2. 下圍棋要心平氣和，情緒不佳時，就容易意氣用事，對落子的質素會有很大的影響。相對地，情緒對象棋的影響就沒有那麼明顯。這點是圍棋的好處或壞處就見人見志。你可以說，圍棋較能培養EQ，也可以這象棋連心情不佳時也可以下。

這種說法頗主觀,相信論者未有象棋大賽經驗.

原帖由 eviepa 於 09-7-11 08:25 發表

另外有一點事實要澄清，無論香港、中國，雖然下圍棋的人對比於十年前有所增加，但象棋的普及性都遠遠較圍棋為高，「象棋普及，圍棋不普及」這個格局在未來二三十年都不會改變。

中國象棋的普及,就只限於中國,圍棋的普及是因為它能走出中國,有國際的認受性. HK小朋友習圍棋的遠比象棋多.當然,對我們一代/我們上一代而言,象棋幾乎是人人皆曉,咁過多二三十年,我地都未死,所以象棋都係普及d ,但對我們下一代來說,圍棋應不会是小眾的玩意. 如果要普及,點都唔及computer games.

原帖由 eviepa 於 09-7-11 08:25 發表


有仔有女，叫他們學手球還是學羽毛球？

有仔有女,我会比佢接觸不同的運動,讓他自己揀.就算少人玩,都未必無得玩,事在人為,學下無妨.

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原帖由 foolish.mom 於 09-7-11 22:28 發表
This afternoon, my kid was beaten by his teacher, because he only predicted the 20 steps forward, but his teacher predicted 30 steps forward.

Your kid can predict 20+ moves, very good wor! How old is he?

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原帖由 foolish.mom 於 09-7-14 23:42 發表
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My kid is 12 years old. He has learnt 圍棋 for almost 4 years.

very good! 入段未?

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原帖由 Octopusma 於 09-7-16 11:09 發表
foolish.mom,
如果佢話繼續學既, 我諗會帶佢去銅鑼灣聖保祿學校附近果間棋會, 我每星期帶阿仔游水時行過都見好多小朋友響入面捉棋, 但唔知果間叫咩名, 亦唔知好唔好,貴唔貴....

我仔連麻雀撲克牌都超鐘意, 打麻雀係 ...

e間好似叫'香港兒童棋院',係佐敦有一間一样既. 如果說兒童棋院,應該係最大既,環境都唔錯.