Uncorrupted version: Ying Wa is more difficult ro get in than Harvard

猴子爸

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只想发问，不是挑战。

如果香港的教育制度是制造跟随者，相信中国大陆的制度更是制造跟随者，就是说中国整个国家都充满着跟随者。
欧美的制度是制造领导者，就是说欧美这个地区都充满着领导者。
在中国，只要有人有领导者的特质，就很容易得到很多跟随者。
在欧美，领导者之间要打餐死，才得出最后领导者，其他人被逼做跟随者。
从globablization来看，欧美的领导者甚至要过来这边来当领导者，但可惜，他们大多都不懂地道文化语言，碰到一面灰。
在香港，要做领导者，要不就是要到欧美学习，要不就是要进国际学校。

以上的逻辑，对吗?

Mayandrew

香港投資人遊走安全資產（如地產）和high tech (hi 嘢也不少但也有真心希望支持invention不只是博高回報）。然而大部份家庭（即我們）並不想冒險去讓孩子去創新。

猴子爸

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不想冒险 - “险”在於没本钱“输”。
在欧美，是因为社会保障高，所以多人愿意“冒险”？还是他们已经被教育成比较愿意“冒险”？

Mayandrew

說回大家對名校的期望。大家可知我們不少供應商（音樂、運動、語文、文化學科的補習老師或教練）其實也來自全球超級名大學如Oxford, Parsons school, 北大，Harvard等。這些老師／教練現在的事業（如用收入和穩定性來衡量）相信不會是大部份家長對子女的期望。然而如我認識的那位Harvard 畢業生教打波，他樂在其中。他的思維和性格可能就是「被訓練」成敢於做一些自己有興趣而又是非主流的工作？！

akys

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深有同感！有时我会问自己，为什么做得好好地竟然发傻去做Hitech？

4eyesDad

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我不是邏輯專家，我亦是填鴨式教育的產品，我會常常記住，我的見解，可能有錯。我可能是井底之蛙，向井外的發問，希望得到提點而已。

4eyesDad

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以前的太監制度，為害不淺，偏偏大有支持者。數百年後才消失！係人都知填鴨教育唔好，小學世襲制之荒謬，偏偏...

ANChan59

akys 發表於 13-5-3 12:01
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深有同感！有时我会问自己，为什么做得好好地竟然发傻去做Hitech？ ...

我識幾個朋友都是40歲創業，因為看到科技的空間，所以滿腔熱誠去嘗試，有勉強資金，能力及網路，但十分痛苦，不足為外人道！
他們都找到滿足感，但賺錢是另一回事。

Mayandrew

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問題往往在父母，我供你讀Harvard，現在教打波揾得只夠自己。各有各道理 :)

JadeW

The fundamental concept of doing business and being a professional to earn a high and stable salary is quite different.

The risk factor - you may earn different amount every month (high or low) vs a stable high salary.

The Future prospect - you may have a business that generate income for you even after you retired and may transfer to your offsprings vs MPF or retirement plan from company or self retirement plan.

The earning process - Money may generate itself if you manage the business good which means less time and more brain power is needed vs you have to spend your time to earn the good salary and in most cases, it means more time and brain power, the more salary you earn.

For most hk people, they prefer more stable income and less risk with better self retirement plan.  But the exchange is their time and the higher the hierarchy the more time you needed.  Moreover, people prefer to work in a big corp for the fame.

But for doing business, there is a chance, just a chance but not guaranteed that you may have higher income.  However, if you cannot earn much or less the same income as you work under other company and you don't have a vision of what and why you are doing so, it'd better for you to  be a professional than a businessman. It is high risk and high return model and you should have a continuous income even without you for most of the time if it is successful. In most case, just a few people will know the name of your company and there will be no wow effect.

JadeW

I also have the same thought and query  as猴子爸。

That's why I don't like some famous school which tends to educate the child to be a follower than a leader.

HKTHK

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I agree that the US system, in particular, trains leaders and expects people to lead and innovate.  And to instill that in our children, studying abroad and/or in an IS is a good way to go.  There is no certainty that if you send your children to IS that they will be an entrepreneur or that if they go to LS, they cannot.  Rather, I think they will just have a much high chance of doing so.  I don't agree that the spirit is because of the good social security system.  I have met a lot of entrepreneur and I don't know of one of them who thinks they can fail and rely on the government.  They are simply not wired and do not think that way.  If they fail, they will just try to find another opportunity.

HKTHK

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If they can feed themselves and enjoy what they are doing, why not?  

ANChan59

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I did both for years, some of your points are valid, but you didn't mention entrepreneur's mental state when they are in their ventures......
High risk is for sure, not necessary high return (Monetary terms), may have other higher mission and or vision.

Mayandrew

Sure parents should give room to kids. Nonetheless, majority here doesn't go this way and still fancy about gearing up their kids in all dimensions going after so-called famous schools.  No right or wrong but just telling the situation.

Komama168

這是一則偽命題：進入香港禮賓府比進入北京中南海更困難。

4eyesDad

深水埗佛教能仁書院去年三個副學士課程僅收到13名學生，佔300個學額的4.3%。

ASamSam

原帖由 4eyesDad 於 13-05-07 發表
深水埗佛教能仁書院去年三個副學士課程僅收到13名學生，佔300個學額的4.3%。 ...

所以比較是要跟相同背景才有意義。

猴子爸

我反而觉得，一个人有没有创业精神，家庭和成长经历的影响，远高于学校的教育。一个在直升机父母的无微不至的照顾下长大的小孩，长大后要创业的话，都要他爸妈工人做助手。一个在虎妈威逼下长大的小孩，可能长大后要创业的话，可能是要开jumping gym. 一个从小就独立，要尽力才得到自己想要的东西的小孩，才知道自己要什么，怎样才得到别人的信任和欢心，和怎样拼搏才能赢。

4eyesDad

4eyesDad 發表於 13-5-7 09:36
深水埗佛教能仁書院去年三個副學士課程僅收到13名學生，佔300個學額的4.3%。 ...

看來，資源分配存在重大差距，香港不同階段的教育系統，存在的問題太多，可憐學生、家長及教育界人士，慘遭折磨。