交小一入學伸請表估唔到有咁多新移民

ziyi

呢個topic一直有問題是將

新移民=行為不好
"Label"晒所有新移民

如果你說某某學校校風不好,沒有關係
各人有各人的想法
我只希望我囡囡不會同你的小朋友讀同一間,因道不同不相為謀

原帖由 Reximom 於 09-9-29 14:38 發表


哈哈哈, 真係比你笑死!

mug你以為呢度d家長係因為d新移民窮先至唔喜歡同佢地d仔女一齊讀書?

我諗如果佢地窮或沒有學識, 但有高尚既品格, 我諗好多人, 包括我, 會好樂意同佢地d仔女一齊讀書囉! 一般人最擔心既 ...

好命婆

點講呢? 我本來都對新移民無咩意見....但經過小一觀校活動之後..又咗新睇法

"嗰朝我哋一家參加咗地區性嘅小一觀校活動, 當中有班由口音聽得出應該係新移民嚟嘅家長&小孩, d小孩子好嘈好曳, 好多時都聽唔到演講者說話(已經坐第一排), 係車上就更誇張, 根本就大人有大人講, 小孩有小孩玩, 總之整過旅程都好嘈當時我都無覺得咩, 覺得有小朋友就會嘈d. 直至當日下午去某私小面試, 感覺完全唔同, 在場都有好多小朋友&家長等候, 但點解都咁靜嘅原因係咩? ...我唔肯定, 但就令都小女說話都細細聲...

猴子爸

经过Reximom一讲，我明白了你们的看法，你们以为我一直是歧视新移民穷?对，我有提过低收入低学历，但我是指很多时候，就是这些家庭没办法提供良好教养给下一代，但请注意，是大部分，不是全部，这是客观事实。

原帖由 ziyi 於 09-9-29 14:35 發表
這樣說我同意,我也不是鼓勵送小朋友去一些校風不好的學校
對我現在有能力負擔小朋友教育,但不代表我無接觸或經歷
我可以對你說我自小經歷比你多
你試過穿鞋底有洞的上學嗎?你試過沒有錢要去做清潔交學費?

...

gingerale

为什么直资私小会那么宝贵他们可以自主收生?我可以大胆这样讲，他们不一定是找最有钱的，但却是找愿意投放时间资源在小孩身上的，在新移民家庭里，有多少可以做到?小孩子没人管没人教导的话，大部分会是怎样呢?


Why do you keep assuming that new immigrant parents don't have time to spend on their kids and they don't discipline and teach their kids?  I thought many local people assume that they don't find jobs and just receive 綜援 from the government?  They should then have a lot of time taking care of their kids.  

Are you aware that some middle-class parents are busy working all day and leave their kids to the Filipino/Indonesian maids to take care of everything including their homework?

The reason I react strongly to your views is that I come from the exact same kind of family "under the Lion Rock".  My parents were not able to teach me anything academically.  They didn't even know all the 26 alphabets.  But they worked hard everyday to support the family and this was the motivation for me to study hard and to be an educated and caring person in return.  And trust me, I was not alone.   

I am sure there are still many "poor" children like that out there and they deserve a better judgement by middle-class parents, especially those who were growing up in the same background.

猴子爸

如果有一间学校，学生都是来自低收入低学历新移民家庭，但有教养，勤奋好学上进，我也希望我儿子可以跟他们做朋友。

原帖由 Reximom 於 09-9-29 15:20 發表


"千金難買少年窮”, 如果我d仔女有個窮, 但有好品格既朋友仔, 正所謂窮得有骨氣個種, 我一定叫佢地多多親近呢個小朋友, 向佢好好學習tim!


...

猴子爸

As pointed out by Reximom, we cannot compare the present situation to the past.  Nowadays, a lot of new immigrants are coming here to enjoy the benefits.  Some others with good nature are working hard, but due to their education and skill level, they need to work long hours for little.  It goes without saying that their kids are less likely to get proper nurturing and training.  In fact, it is unrealistic to expect that the upbringing of their kids in most cases are similar to that of the kids several decades ago.
gingerale, you raised a good point.  Some local parents may also leave their kids unattended by letting their helper do the nurturing and training.  These kids could be in trouble too.  

原帖由 gingerale 於 09-9-29 15:20 發表
为什么直资私小会那么宝贵他们可以自主收生?我可以大胆这样讲，他们不一定是找最有钱的，但却是找愿意投放时间资源在小孩身上的，在新移民家庭里，有多少可以做到?小孩子没人管没人教导的话，大部分会是怎样呢?


Why do you k ...

[ 本帖最後由 猴子爸 於 09-9-29 15:54 編輯 ]

gingerale

猴子爸,
I believe you and I have made our own views clear.   Obviously neither of us will be convinced by others and there is no point to argue further.  Nevertheless, I trust that you are a good daddy who will offer the best for your son's future.  You never know, he may end up in the same school as my kid.  

Reximom,
I certainly would not mind having your kid as my children's schoolmate, but I sincerely hope that your kid will get some civilized education at school!

原帖由 猴子爸 於 09-9-29 15:42 發表
As pointed out by Reximom, we cannot compare the present situation to the past.  Nowadays, a lot of new immigrants are coming here to enjoy the benefits.  Some others with good nature are working hard ...

ziyi

講真,為什麼一定要在低收入低學歷的後面加上新移民?
香港700萬人,在2戰時香港有多少人,幾十萬而已
為什麼多了那麼多?
全都是移民,大部份現在香港的人都是移民的第2代
到了我們卻要在一些說話上加上"新移民",雖然你說沒有歧視,是習慣了
我同意猴子爸你說的低收入的家庭為了生活,令到很多時候沒有足夠時間去好好教養小朋友
我也不會給小朋友去讀一些校風不好的學校,但絕不會因他們是比較窮的新移民
相反,Reximom,不是你高攀唔起,是我高攀唔起你及你的小朋友.因我會帶小朋友去普通的公園去玩,接觸普通人
教她分享,要有愛心
而你這樣怕"低收入新移民",肯定不會去普通的公園,因這樣免費的場所,他們就時常去
也不會去一些社區會堂,願你去做你想做的

原帖由 猴子爸 於 09-9-29 15:34 發表
如果有一间学校，学生都是来自低收入低学历新移民家庭，但有教养，勤奋好学上进，我也希望我儿子可以跟他们做朋友。

gingerale

Oh yes, you are right finally.  There are no hopes that you can be re-educated anymore.  But I always have hopes in kids and yours certainly need a school with emphasis on life education.  Bye for now.   

原帖由 Reximom 於 09-9-29 16:03 發表



講野都係實事求事好d, 單單打打對我係唔work架!

  

猴子爸

gingerale, ziyi, reximom, I really enjoy discussing this topic with you.  Our point of view may be different, but i'm sure you are all dedicated parents.  I won't have any concern if my son becomes a classmate of your kids someday.  Well, i'm afraid you may have such concern instead since my son is a bit too active (though not hyper), as "advised" by almost all of his teachers...

[ 本帖最後由 猴子爸 於 09-9-29 16:30 編輯 ]

ziyi

隨你怎樣斷章取意啦
亦隨你喜歡單單打打啦
亦隨你喜歡扣帽子
口在你,手在你

原帖由 Reximom 於 09-9-29 16:27 發表


你份人都幾鍾意無限上綱, 扣人帽子個喎, 我話我讚同人揀間少d新移民既學校, 就等於我怕"低收入新移民",肯定不會去普通的公園”?

“帶小朋友去普通的公園去玩,接觸普通人,教她分享,要有愛心”, 同揀間咩學校讀書 ...

HIN2003

我只是過路, 但忍唔住想插嘴.
我覺得大陸人, 唔等於窮.
只係文化唔同, 我接受唔到佢地無衛生常識, 唔喜歡排隊, 樣樣都理所當然.

jeremyphlam

原帖由 好命婆 於 09-9-29 15:02 發表
點講呢? 我本來都對新移民無咩意見....但經過小一觀校活動之後..又咗新睇法

"嗰朝我哋一家參加咗地區性嘅小一觀校活動, 當中有班由口音聽得出應該係新移民嚟嘅家長&小孩, d小孩子好嘈好曳, 好多時都聽唔到演 ...

我也有類似經驗，雖然中產也有冇質數的，又係機會率的問題。

你話我係歧視都好，我唔會將自己個仔的前途攞去搏！

有對朋友夫婦係專業人士，住係馬鞍山某私人屋苑。唔信邪唔考私校、直資，覺得喺咩學校讀都唔緊要，最緊要都係自己，結果派番同區某小學。讀了一年，P2都係要轉出市區某私校。原因係間小學太雜，同學的價值觀有很大差別。

以上是真實個案，如有得罪請諒。

[ 本帖最後由 jeremyphlam 於 09-9-29 18:22 編輯 ]