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Re: 王德

I am sorry but this whole thing sounds to me totally unscientific and smells of myth and business/profit more than anything else. Preying on the parents' concern on their kids to make money! Why is there still people who believe in this kind of thing?

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空泛的指責及批評不是科學的態度, 腦象圖專利技術是一門科學,它也會像任何科學一樣經得起科學的論證及考驗, 我們歡迎任何人從科學論據上提出挑戰！

有些人會說:腦電圖不是用來判識疾病的嗎? 沒錯, 過去腦電圖一直是用來判識疾病的, 可近年來, 先進國家對腦電波在大腦認知上的研究已經有了更高的認識, 而且中國的專家在這方面的研究並不落後於先進國家。


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Re: 王德

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發表於 06-11-20 09:16 |只看該作者

Re: 王德

王教授 :

我也想知道有關測驗的地點和費用??

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發表於 06-11-20 10:58 |只看該作者

Re: 王德

Hi voasia!
Please check PM. Thanks!
http://www.potential.hk/c01.html

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Re: 王德

Hi kwankit!
Please check PM. Thanks!
http://www.potential.hk/c01.html

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Re: 王德

Indeed it is important that this so-called scientific analysis has evidence to support. Quoting examples of cases can be biased and so in modern science, it is crucial that Control, double-blind randomised studies are performed. The results should be reviewed by independent experts of the same field and published in peer-reviewed journals.
Could Professor Wang tell us, in which university she was the professor and the proper title. In which journals have the results been published and when? More importantly, has the result been reproduced by other scientists?

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發表於 06-11-20 11:01 |只看該作者

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See this for what i meant by control study:

A control group study uses a control group to compare to an experimental group in a test of a causal hypothesis. The control and experimental groups must be identical in all relevant ways except for the introduction of a suspected causal agent into the experimental group. If the suspected causal agent is actually a causal factor of some event, then logic dictates that that event should manifest itself more significantly in the experimental than in the control group. For example, if 'C' causes 'E', when we introduce 'C' into the experimental group but not into the control group, we should find 'E' occurring in the experimental group at a significantly greater rate than in the control group. Significance is measured by relation to chance: if an event is not likely due to chance, then its occurrence is significant.

A double-blind test is a control group test where neither the evaluator nor the subject knows which items are controls. A randomized test is one that randomly assigns items to the control and the experimental groups.

The purpose of controls, double-blind, and randomized testing is to reduce error, self-deception and bias.

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Re: 王德

Seems that I am not the only one with doubt:

http://www.hkoceanshores.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=12101&forum=14

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Re: 王德

1. 關於王德堃教授的專業資格的已經披露過,在網站上也能查到.

2.腦象圖技術是中國國家知識產權局批准的專利產品,在審批過程中,提供了所有的實驗數據及學術論文.專利號碼:ZL 89104320.9

3. 腦象圖專利技已經過20多年的實踐及30000個案例,已是一個成熟的技術, 它經歷了您所提出的所有過程. 但在20多年前的中國,仍是較為封閉的,中國科學家的學術論文根本沒有途徑刊登在國際刊物上．

王德堃教授在國內的學術刊物上發表了幾百篇學術論文,在國內發表不等於就差過在國際上發表，在國內發表也不等於就不是科學!

3.有關腦象圖專利技術,請查閱<2005年中國知識產權年鑑>.

4.我們仍在為進一步完善腦象圖技術不斷地努力,因此,我們將不會再回應任何有關的問題.

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Re: 王德劏教授為您解答：通過腦電波測試找出子女大腦優勢密碼及因腦施教的問題

王教授寫道:
1. 關於王德堃教授的專業資格的已經披露過,在網站上也能查到.

那個網站很多都是 broken link。那些「論文」不是找不到就是亂碼。我已試過 big5, gb, unicode 等編碼，全部看不到。請問是甚麼問題？

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Re: 王德堃教授為您解答：通過腦電波測試找出子女大腦優勢密碼及因腦施教的問題

網站維護致使有些連接失效,現已逐步恢復正常．不便之處，敬請原諒．

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發表於 06-11-20 16:53 |只看該作者

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If it is true that 30000 cases have been done and that this is a 'mature' technology, howcome it is hardly something ever heard of and used in the West. What you said about publication in China years ago are simply excuses. If it is such an advanced test, it should be widely used everywhere, China and abroad.

Any method that is supposed to benefit a child's growth and development, is like Fung Shui. You never know whether it really works or not, even after many years.

I have no objection you promoting this to make profit. After all, we have many 'pseudo-science' products in the market like hair-growth or 'immunity-boosting' herb etc. But please do it properly, advertise in a proper way. Do not put in up as a thread in a discussion forum and give people impression that you are doing this to help others without benefiting yourself. It is hard-sale and misleading, as people in other forum pointed out.

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And if it is such a superior method, howcome other groups / researchers haven't tried to develop similar methods and apply to practicial use. Howcome, the Chinese government has not promote this method in schools officially?

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Re: 王德堃教授為您解答：通過腦電波測試找出子女大腦優勢密碼及因腦施教的問題

王教授寫道:
網站維護致使有些連接失效,現已逐步恢復正常．不便之處，敬請原諒．

真的嗎？如此石破天驚的重大發明，絶對可以吸引大量投資者，資源應該不是問題。怎麼連一個如此簡單的網站都不能正常維護？

另一個叫人摸不著頭腦的是那些圖。看來是一些數學圖案，只要根據不同的參數 (parameter) 就可以繪製出來，和 EEG (Electroencephalography) 看來是風馬牛不相及。請解釋當中的關係。

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Re: 王德堃教授為您解答：通過腦電波測試找出子女大腦優勢密碼及因腦施教的問題

到目前為止，該網站仍然是很多 broken links.

王德堃教授在國內的學術刊物上發表了幾百篇學術論文,在國內發表不等於就差過在國際上發表，在國內發表也不等於就不是科學!

請問王教授在那些國內的學術刊物上發表學術論文？有沒有在《中国生物医学工程学报》 Chinese Journal of Biomedical Engineering 發表過？

近年國內學者在國際上發表論文並不是甚麼特別的事情，為甚麼王教授沒有在國外發表這個除時可以問鼎 Nobel Price 的研究結果？

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Re: 王德堃教授為您解答：通過腦電波測試找出子女大腦優勢密碼及因腦施教的問題

請問王教授會怎樣回應曹宏威博士的 comment?

其中幾句如下：

我看了,不知所云,你還說要帶孩孑去做實驗鼠, .....

那些小孩子戴甚麽,是腦掃描的探針嗎?
不似吧,
那整篇文章都只講成例,卻不講用甚麼儀器,甚麼測法,我能怎評?

全文：
http://leetm.mingpao.com/cfm/Forum3.cfm?CategoryID=6&TopicID=132&TopicOrder=Asc&TopicPage=6

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Re: 王德堃教授為您解答：通過腦電波測試找出子女大腦優勢密碼及因腦施教的問題

王教授 :

我也想知道有關測驗的地點和費用??

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My daughter and son did the test last month, and, be honest, the results were quite convincing. Before I decided to take them to do the test, I doubted if it was merely a scam. So I searched on the web and tried to see if there were any other articles mentioning such new technology. I finally found one, and that's the one which made me decide to have a try.

http://www.fengkun.net/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=4283&extra=&page=1

I declare that I have no relationship with Professor Wang at all. I just want to express my view.

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Re: 王德ṃ教授為您解答：通過腦電波測試找出子女大腦優勢密碼及因腦施教的問題

RRR 寫道:
My daughter and son did the test last month, and, be honest, the results were quite convincing. Before I decided to take them to do the test, I doubted if it was merely a scam. So I searched on the web and tried to see if there were any other articles mentioning such new technology. I finally found one, and that's the one which made me decide to have a try.

http://www.fengkun.net/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=4283&extra=&page=1

I declare that I have no relationship with Professor Wang at all. I just want to express my view.

你所說的那個網頁只不過是另一個討論區的一個不知名用戶的留言，內容根本就是照抄那個「王教授」的網頁之其中一小部份。難道你連「王教授」本身的網頁也沒有看過，單憑一個討論區的留言去判定真偽？？？這樣是否有點兒戲？

那篇中國女排的文章提及由王德堃教授以腦象圖發掘出來的現任隊長馮坤，她本人若真的是以這個方法才能夠加入中國女排，為甚麼她本人的網頁和她 FANS 的網頁對「王德堃教授」和「腦象圖」隻字不題？

既然你認為 "the results were quite convincing",我想信你也不會介意分享一下怎麼 convincing吧？

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