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ADD與gifted

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Gifted or ADD?

Parents, if your child seems bright then please, please, PLEASE have a qualified psychologist evaluate him or her for giftedness BEFORE you accept a diagnosis of ADD and medication.

Gifted children and adults are at high risk for being identified as ADD.  Most people, including most medical professionals, do not realize giftedness is often associated with the following behaviors:
underachieving ,  anger and frustration , high energy, intensity, fidgeting, impulsivity
individualistic,  nonconforming,  stubborn,   disorganization,  sloppy,  poor handwriting
forgetful, absentminded, daydreams,  emotional, moody,   low interest in details

Moreover, sometimes adults do not realize a child is gifted because they  don't really know what "gifted" means.  Or they may believe a child is  both ADD and gifted. As a result, many gifted children these days are being medicated for a brain defect they probably don't have.  

Most people have an incorrect view of gifted children and adults.  The"gifted" are supposed to be model students, teaching themselves how to spell and perfect their grammar, win spelling bees, have perfect social skills and become neurosurgeons.  This is true of SOME gifted children
and adults.   Many others, however, act out and space out in boring school settings, and their increasing anger and frustration may lead to oppositional behavior and underachievement.   They may have sloppy handwriting because of fast thought processes, miss details, and be unorganized and forgetful. Gifted adults are not always easy to spot, either.   They are housewives, teachers, and carpenters, and they may not even realize they are gifted.  Some even believe they are stupid.

There is some evidence that as many as half of all kids with IQs above 130 get below average grades, and in one study 13% of high school drop outs were gifted. In another study, a full 25% of children diagnosed with ADHD tested so high in creativity tests they qualified for state scholarships.  I recently spoke with a consultant for the gifted who said about half of the gifted boys referred to her had been told they were probably ADD.  Complicating matters is the uneven types of intelligence many people have.  People labeled ADD often have a "visual/spatial" type of intelligence that confuses many teachers and parents.   They might have trouble reading or spelling but have outstanding abstract reasoning abilities and become bored very quickly in traditional schools.

Proponents of the gifted assert that it is usually problems with the school environment that are to blame for behavior problems and underachievement, not any problem with the child.  You will not hear this from school officials or most psychiatrists, however.  They believe it must be a brain defect.
Parents, if your child seems bright then please, please, PLEASE have a qualified person evaluate him or her for giftedness BEFORE you accept a diagnosis of ADD and medication.

Gifted children MUST have an education that fits their needs.  If they don't, they should be expected to act out or space out, and it is NOT their fault!  Placing them on medication so that they can tolerate a more boring school is absurd.  There are much better options available, such as
home schooling, alternative schools and grade skipping.  

How is "Gifted" Defined? There is no consensus as to how "gifted" should be defined, except everyone seems to agree that people with an IQ of 130 or greater are definitely gifted.  But people with lower overall IQs can also be gifted by other avenues:

Creative-Gifted: Demonstrated creativity or high score on the Torrence Creativity test (above an IQ of 120 there is no correlation between IQ and creativity scores);
Demonstration of exceptional skills in a domain, like math or art;
Visual-Spatial thinkers are often gifted but may score below their actual level of intelligence on IQ tests (very high abstract reasoning, visual-spatial skills);
Sometimes "gifted" is defined as the smartest two percent, which correlates to an IQ of 125.

The fuzzy nature of the term "gifted" is apparent when one considers an idiot savant who cannot handle simple math but is a gifted pianist.  

The IQ cutoff of 130 is completely arbitrary. It's not like one child with an IQ of 130 is gifted rather than ADD and the next child with an IQ of 125 is "disordered" simply because he does not meet the threshold for  giftedness.   A child with an IQ of 120 may be considered "bright" or "superior" rather than gifted, but is just as likely to be bored by a school ciriculum designed for kids with an IQ of 85.

Of special interest here is the concept of the visual/spatial thinker.
These people are at high risk for an ADD diagnosis and are also likely to  be gifted.  They are often brighter than their IQ scores. Visual/spatial thinkers often have outstanding abilities in abstract reasoning,  visual/spatial skills, and problem solving.  However, they have relative weaknesses in processing auditory information and sequencing, and are often poor at spelling and phonics.  Such people are also called "right-brained."  Visual/spatial children are at high risk for school problems
because they become bored very quickly and dislike repetition and drills.
They are likely to act out or space out in school. Such children often need to be accelerated or homeschooled. The Gifted Development Center has done quite a bit of research on visual-spatial learners and has some excellent information at www.gifteddevelopment.com/VSL_List.htm.

Why do Gifted people act the way they do?   One reason is that gifted people become bored easily in settings that average people find tolerable (like school or work).  Boredom leads to restlessness, and restlessness leads to all sorts of problems.  Fast thought processes can lead not only to boredom but to poor handwriting, errors in simple work, disorganization and sloppiness.

In addition, brighter people tend to exhibit more "overexcitabilities" than average people. This has been well demonstrated in studies.  The five overexcitabilities that have been identified are:

Overexcitibilities          Negative Perspective
Physical                 hyperactive, fidgety, restless, impulsive
Emotional               moody, temperamental, prone to depression and anxiety
Intellectual               head in the clouds, inattentive to surroundings
Sensual                  picky eater, over-reacts to physical discomforts
Imaginational             daydreams, inattentive

For more information about the concept of overexcitabilities see  Overexcitabilities Used to Predict Giftedness.

Getting an Assessment:
Your school system may have some resources available as a start.  If you use them, you must be on your guard, because serious mistakes can be made.  Of special concern is the inability of school to identify very gifted student, such as those with IQs of 160, or 170.  Such students are more
common than most people realize and require VERY different schooling. A child with an IQ of 170 is completely different from a child with an IQ of 130. I recommend that parents go beyond the school system if at all possible.  

Look for a QUALIFIED psychologist. You can start with a list maintained by Hoagies Gifted Education Page at www.hoagiesgifted.org/psych.htm.  
An appropriate assessment is going to cost you some money.  BUT, your child's future depends on it, so open up your wallet and start counting.
Make sure the consultant knows about creative/gifted characteristics and visual/spatial learning styles, because these are common with kids labeled ADD.  If your child will be tested for creativity (recommended for ADD children) the Torrence Test for creativity should be used.  
An outside consultant is far more likely to give you an unbiased opinion about what you need to do for your child's education.  Most people associated with the school are more interested in preserving the status quo at the school rather than in helping your child.   School personnel are extremely unlikely to advocated grade skipping, for example.

Grade Skipping:
This is an excellent option for some kids, but you can expect the school to oppose it because of ignorance and misplaced egalitarianism. Children without any serious existing social problems should adjust quite well. I have found excellent information about grade skipping at Hoagies Gifted,
including information about studies (all studies support grade skipping) and how to put together a portfolio in support of a grade skip.  Parents of underachieving gifted students may have an especially difficult time convincing the school their child deserves a skip, since personnel tend to
believe such children don't deserve to be accelerated.  

A very important point with grade skipping is that it is done on a trial basis for six to ten weeks.  It will be easy to see if it's not working, and the child is simply place back in his or her former level.

Another method of acceleration is to allow a child to attend higher grades for certain subjects.  For example, a 2nd grade child who is ahead in  math, but not in reading, would visit a 3rd grade classroom for math.  

Enrichment Programs
School "Gifted" programs usually are in the form of enrichment rather than acceleration.  These programs have drawbacks and are not usually as successful as acceleration.   Such programs can backfire on the students because they are identified publicly as gifted and may become afraid of
failing when they get back to their regular class.  Or, they may feel like they are being punished for being smart by having to do more work.  An excellent essay on the subject posted at Hoagies Gifted is "Horizontal Enrichment vs. Vertical Acceleration."   

Alternative Education:
Homeschooling is by far the most popular option and growing rapidly in popularity.   This is an outstanding option for parents who can do it.
People worry WAY too much about "socialization."  Kids these days don't learn socialization skills at school, they learn anti-socialization skills.   Like teasing, bullying, and how to form clicks and exclude anyone who doesn't "fit in".  The school-yard and bus-ride pecking order is similar to "Lord of the Flies." Often gifted children and children identified as ADD take the brunt of this sort of abuse and may be traumatized for life.  There are plenty of socialization opportunities for homeschoolers, including sports, clubs, playing with friends, camps, volunteering, etc.

Homeschooled children are, on average, ahead of their peers          academically, often by several years. And they spend less time studying because there is less time wasted.  Homeschooled children are eagerly accepted by colleges, where they perform BETTER than other children.
Gifted children usually do very well when they are homeschooled. Studies are showing that homeschooled children are getting a much better education that kids in the public schools (especially in the U.S., partly  because standards in American public schools are so low.)

The specific requirements for homeschooling vary.  In the U.S., check with your state. In some regions, children are allowed to attend public school on a part-time basis.

There is a tremendous amount of information about homeschooling on the Internet, and there is no reason for me to duplicate that.  An excellent website to start with is The Homeschool Legal Defense Association.  You can find regional requirements from this website.

Be Cautious With Labels
Labeling a child "gifted" can cause problems.   Children who are told they succeed because they are smart often fear failure. They feel they are judged by their level of intelligence and success is due not to effort, but to intelligence.  Failure means they may not be as smart as everyone
thinks. Therefore, they may avoid trying anything unless they are certain to succeed.

It is much better to tell a child he or she is being advanced because of  hard work, because that encourages more effort in the future.  I tell my son he is a better reader because he reads more than his friends, not because he is smarter.  And that he is better in math because he works with numbers more than his friends.  For more information see the article  "raise Children for Effort, Not Intelligence, Study Says."

Can't Someone Be Both Gifted and ADD?
If by "ADD" you mean they meet the diagnostic criteria for ADD, then absolutely.  But that doesn't mean they have a brain defect.  Remember that ADD is really just a description of behavior that MAY OR MAY NOT be caused by a brain defect.

The environmental causes of brain defects leading to ADD include things like lead poisoning and exposure to drugs as a fetus.  These factors also reduce IQ.  So it seems rather improbable that a high-IQ person also has such a brain defect.  Not impossible, but not likely, either.

You cannot tell whether ADD-like behavior in a gifted person is normal gifted behavior or caused by a brain defect. It's simply not possible.   I've read that you can try and identify ADD in gifted people based on whether the gifted person tends to finish the projects they start.  I disagree.
There is natural temperament variation with regard to convergent and divergent thinking.    Divergent thinking is perfectly normal and is related to creative thinking and disorganization.   Under MBTI temperament theory, "erceivers" prefer to start projects rather than finish them, and
tend to be disorganized and run late for appointments.  A gifted Perceiver with overexcitabilities will have a very strong drive to start new projects.
Finishing projects and not starting so many new ones is definitely a learned skill for such people.  

The bottom line is that you cannot tell if a gifted person's behavior is due to a brain defect.  So why identify them as having a brain defect?

If Meds Work, Then Why Not Use Them?
Stimulant medications allow gifted children and adults to attend to things they otherwise find too boring.  That is exactly how the medications feel, too. They make boring things interesting.  Like organizing toys instead of learning how to play chess, practicing addition instead of learning
multiplication, or filing papers instead of troubleshooting coorporate problems.

Stimulants allow gifted people to thrive in environments in which they were not meant to be.  A child who is teaching himself division should not be required to spend endless hours in school practicing 5 + 4.  An adult with abstract reasoning abilities in the 99th percentile should not try and spend four hours filing.  The solution to problem behavior in the Gifted is to change the environment, not to change the Gifted person's brain.

Medications DO work, if your goal is to shove a square peg into a round hole.  But is that worthy goal?  Why can't the Gifted be different?   Why should they have to pretend to be like everyone else? Why should a child with an IQ of 140 be forced to twiddle his thumbs for six hours a day in
order to please the teacher, and be happy about it?  Does this make sense?

「對弱者的同情往往變成對強者的仇恨,我們尤其要學會如何將這種愚蠢的傾向昇華。」 ---馬斯洛,<<人本心理學>>

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Thanks for sharing...

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wings230,
       你....唔係....已經....睇完上面個篇長篇大論吧??     
「對弱者的同情往往變成對強者的仇恨,我們尤其要學會如何將這種愚蠢的傾向昇華。」 ---馬斯洛,<<人本心理學>>

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faith 寫道:
wings230,
       你....唔係....已經....睇完上面個篇長篇大論吧??     

Faith.....

係呀....我係右腦人...read like scanning... :

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"    Homeschooling is by far the most popular option and growing rapidly in popularity. This is an outstanding option for parents who can do it.
People worry WAY too much about "socialization." Kids these days don't learn socialization skills at school, they learn anti-socialization skills. Like teasing, bullying, and how to form clicks and exclude anyone who doesn't "fit in". The school-yard and bus-ride pecking order is similar to "Lord of the Flies." Often gifted children and children identified as ADD take the brunt of this sort of abuse and may be traumatized for life. There are plenty of socialization opportunities for homeschoolers, including sports, clubs, playing with friends, camps, volunteering, etc"

以上這一段講得十分精采,十分好呀.............﹗﹗         
「對弱者的同情往往變成對強者的仇恨,我們尤其要學會如何將這種愚蠢的傾向昇華。」 ---馬斯洛,<<人本心理學>>

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Faith...

Thanks...

There are plenty of socialization opportunities for homeschoolers, including sports, clubs, playing with friends, camps, volunteering, etc <--------

missing the cyber...the chatrooms ..icq....n forums

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chatroom.   icq.....唔........有保留吧?"虛擬社交"??有一些唔妥當吧??
「對弱者的同情往往變成對強者的仇恨,我們尤其要學會如何將這種愚蠢的傾向昇華。」 ---馬斯洛,<<人本心理學>>

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Faith....

in fact my kid learned his social skill in his forum...
almost 800 members now....some of them often
spend the nights in my house too...I then hv the
chance to screen his pals

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wings230
  哦,原來係咁。  => 633
「對弱者的同情往往變成對強者的仇恨,我們尤其要學會如何將這種愚蠢的傾向昇華。」 ---馬斯洛,<<人本心理學>>

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Faith...

u treat it as virtue reality....but to the teens....it is
real for them.....they hv gathering so often

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Faith....

Cyber外展社工...... :

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wings230
哦...原來係咁....

heehee=>634   
「對弱者的同情往往變成對強者的仇恨,我們尤其要學會如何將這種愚蠢的傾向昇華。」 ---馬斯洛,<<人本心理學>>

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i worked real hard here today.....634
aiming at 1,000...a loooong way to go~~

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me aiming at 500 in order to become coral bah

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faith

5555.....有冇中文呀,好多睇唔明......please....靚女 faith...   

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faith:

我剛看完這篇文章,真的有很多地方值得去思考,我兒子就是在這問題上打轉.

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dear frodo,
      hmmmm.....靚女呢,通常都係無腦ge........所以真係無能為力喇。.....
      其實剛把文章copy到去wings230給予的翻譯網址度,一翻....都唔知佢up乜鬼....唉,奈何我正翻緊hsc那本書中"給老師的二十個tips"...翻到我死死下咁.....至今都未翻完(要待阿仔讀高班時有需要給老師睇的)....所以.....不過,你把它print出黎,咁會容易睇d架....我覺得這篇文章真係寫得好好呀﹗
wings230....你看得咁快,不如....你.......  

[quote]5555.....有冇中文呀,好多睇唔明......please....靚女 faith...   
「對弱者的同情往往變成對強者的仇恨,我們尤其要學會如何將這種愚蠢的傾向昇華。」 ---馬斯洛,<<人本心理學>>

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wings230....你看得咁快,不如....你.......haha~~
好介紹....but....lee 排好懶...

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faith:

多謝你copy的文章。而我都曾懷疑他ADHD,我細個是阿媽就提出過同樣的疑問。

摘錄:
ADHD的小孩,由於自我語言内化和規則運作的行爲能力有問題,所以容易造層以下的情況:
1  一般孩童能夠遵守規則,即使受到外界的影響,他的行爲表現也不易產生明顯的變動;但對過動兒而言,他們容易受到外界環境的刺激影響,造成學習和行爲表現常出現不穩定的情形,時好時坏。
2  一個人能夠遵循規則的話,就比較少受到情景上的立即後果或事件所影響,也就比較不容易發生無法預期的改變;然而過動兒常常隨心所欲,讓外界的十五控制他們的心智,作出草率敷衍、不負責任的決定,所以他們不容易遵守承諾而賴皮。
3 當我們遵守規則時,即使任何的獎賞可能會延遲,我們荏苒能夠堅持必須作的事情;但過動兒似乎無法細攷比較深遠的後果。例如該寫功課的時候,他們寧可先追求在當時享樂的事物,而把功課拖到半夜才寫。(像極我,我經常玩到唔記得有功課添。)
4 一般孩子隨著年歲的成長,我們可以預見這種遵守原則的行爲能力會增加;但過動兒常常無法成熟的蛻變,也就是因爲他們容易受到即時的時間和後果所影響,造成他們總是不容易控制自己和整合計劃未來的行爲。

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長毛一定係過動兒....唔係...應該係過動叔...
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