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ANChan59

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Just for curiosity, IS, ESF & some IB DSS have any % or quota of IBDP bilingual diploma ..... not necessary Chinese and English, may be other combinations.

I heard about a school pushed her students >50% to bilingual diploma, do you think it's realistic? According to IBO, around 30% students awarded bilingual diploma, students' results may be affected or they must be very very good, but I doubt it.

A friend who knows IB more than I, shared with me that, if we consider IBDP results, we also need to consider the following:

1. actual scores out of 42 and 45;
2. bilingual diploma or not;
3. taking syllabus B or AB in group 2;
4. taking maths studies instead of maths; and
5. university destinations.

His rationale likes this: Score high in IBDP with bilingual diploma, it means take both languages as mother languages in A SL/HL, the results are impressive. Maths Studies is much much easier than Maths, but it's ok for non-numerate students, if more than half of students taking MS...... something fishy. The most important is university destinations, if the scores so high, but the universities not match with the results, something wrong of the combinations and most universities discount their subjects like Mandarin B/AB, Chinese B/AB......may not count.....

His comment is LPC still the best in HK, as top 50 high schools have high % of students get into Ivy League, only 2 out of US, one is LPC. [In late 2007, the Wall Street Journal identified the College as one of the world's top 50 schools for its success in preparing students to enter Ivy League universities, one of only 2 schools located outside the US. http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-COLLEGE0711-sort.html] It sounds interesting to me, but it's too late for my son.

I try to verify with some "elite" IS, ESF and LPC....    IS around 30% bilingual diploma, aligned with world average, ESF <30%, no data from LPC.

Criteria 1-5, up to you to research and analyse....you draw your own conclusion.

After review such facts, my son should take the following to get into medicine (forget about bilingual diploma):

English A L&L SL
Chinese B HL
Maths Studies SL
Chemistry HL
Physics SL
Economics HL

What do you think? It's cool ......

[ 本帖最後由 ANChan59 於 11-11-21 03:30 編輯 ]
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poonseelai

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Do you know whether HKU requires students to take Phy, Chem and Bio in IBDP?  I heard a case where a girl who only took 2 out of these 3 subjects and scored 45 points in IB was eventually accepted by HKU medicine with a letter of recommendation from her school.  An alternative is for a student to apply to IB for special approval to take all 3 subjects in DP.

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WYmom

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原帖由 ANChan59 於 11-11-21 03:24 發表
Just for curiosity, IS, ESF & some IB DSS have any % or quota of IBDP bilingual diploma ..... not necessary Chinese and English, may be other combinations.

I heard about a school pushed her students  ...


For most IB students in IS, they target at overseas universities, so no need to take bilingual diploma.  If they target at local universities in HK, then taking bilingual diploma (English A and Chinese A) will be better.  

The school pushing for 50% bilingual diploma - are the students mostly local Chinese?

Maths studies is too easy, so maybe only students who target at art faculties will take it.

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ANChan59

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回覆 3# WYmom 的文章

The school pushing for 50% bilingual diploma - are the students mostly local Chinese?

[Yes, correct.]

Maths studies is too easy, so maybe only students who target at art faculties will take it.

[Not necessary, some aim for medicine with 2 science HL .......]
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ANChan59

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Do you know whether HKU requires students to take Phy, Chem and Bio in IBDP?  

[No need, only Chemistry HL is compulsory, plus one more science subjects.]

I heard a case where a girl who only took 2 out of these 3 subjects and scored 45 points in IB was eventually accepted by HKU medicine with a letter of recommendation from her school.  

[that's normal track for IB.]

An alternative is for a student to apply to IB for special approval to take all 3 subjects in DP.

[I check the IB handbook, students can take min 6 subjects and max 7 and need advance approval from IBO. Take one more Science subject is not a great strategy, take 4 HL can be another options, but it not sensible to push the student without any clear advantage.]
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annie40

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Hereunder is the exact % of students who were awarded the IB billigual diploma in 2011.

Island: 9.8%
South Island: 25%
West Island : 5.6%
KGV: 7.2%
Shatin: 6.6%
Renaissance: 59%
CIS : 35%
French International: 32%  (French+English)














原帖由 ANChan59 於 11-11-21 03:24 發表
Just for curiosity, IS, ESF & some IB DSS have any % or quota of IBDP bilingual diploma ..... not necessary Chinese and English, may be other combinations.

I heard about a school pushed her students  ...

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ANChan59

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回覆 6# annie40 的文章

So50% is not unrealistic.......
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kym

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I don't mind if my son score lower by 1 if he took chinese A, but 2 or more I might think differently.

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penguin_chick

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I used to misunderstand the meaning of billingual IB as all of you.
Actually, billingual IB means if a student takes the language in group A, usaully his mother tongue, is different from the language used in group 3 and 4. So, it's no magic for  Hong Kong Chinese students to take billingual IBD.
They just need to take Chinese in group 1, they will get a billingual IBD.

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ANChan59

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回覆 9# penguin_chick 的文章

We are talking about bilingual and also high IB scores as well.

If taking bilingual and only score less than 30, that's not our discussion. So some IB schools recommend their students to take B instead of A.
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ANChan59

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原帖由 kym 於 11-11-21 20:06 發表
I don't mind if my son score lower by 1 if he took chinese A, but 2 or more I might think differently.


HL to SL, may up one point. For B, up 2 points.
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bobbycheung

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With the exception of FIS, I wonder if the % also reflects more or less the percentage of Chinese students in each school.

原帖由 annie40 於 11-11-21 17:34 發表
Hereunder is the exact % of students who were awarded the IB billigual diploma in 2011.

Island: 9.8%
South Island: 25%
West Island : 5.6%
KGV: 7.2%
Shatin: 6.6%
Renaissance: 59%
CIS : 35%
French Int ...

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bobbycheung

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If you are talking about the % of students going to Ivy League or the equivalent, then the best 2 IB schools in HK are LPC and CIS.  Their records are similar.  (HKIS did a lot better in this year but it had twice as many students as the other 2 schools and its past records are dismal.)

When one applies to the Ivy League, I don't think a bilingual diploma carries any weight especially when a Chinese students is doing Chinese/Mandarin as his 2nd language.  The situation is similar to a Chinese students getting grade 8 in piano.  Nowadays it's more difficult to find someone not having it.  Even top scores in IB and SAT are probably the minimum requirements only.  They will only give you an entrance ticket to the race.  Taking Harvard as an example, with 27,000 applications received annually (and most of them are already the top students in their own schools) and an admission rate of just 7%, Harvard does not make the decision by comparing amongst the applications.  They do it by a process of elimination.  They will go through your application with an aim to find fault so as to reduce the number of applications to a more manageable number.  So in the eyes of an Ivy League admission officer, criteria 1 to 4 may not be good attributes but rather sitting ducks for him to justify an elimination.  Anyway, one only has to go to College Confidential to see how cut-throat the competition is.  Having said that, LPC and CIS still manage to get so many students into Ivy League and the equivalent each year is truly amazing.  By the way, this is not an advertisement as I have no kids and do not know anybody studying in the above schools.  I only hope that other IB schools in HK will emulate and better these results.


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原帖由 ANChan59 於 11-11-21 03:24 發表
Just for curiosity, IS, ESF & some IB DSS have any % or quota of IBDP bilingual diploma ..... not necessary Chinese and English, may be other combinations.

I heard about a school pushed her students  ...

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ANChan59

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Thanks Bobby

I got your point and in-line with my assumption, no point to push bilingual diploma as no one care.

Ivy League is not my son's target so far, but glad to know more info.....

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tingtingting

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Went to the university admission briefing organised by our daughter's school's university admission and careers counselor the other day.  There were amongst us a few other parents who had sat in the interview panels of a few US universities (Carnegie Mellow, Yale, Cornell and UCLA).  The general consensus is that a bilingual  diploma does matter, but only when other factors being equal.  Generally, admission officers are more impressed by a 7 in English A (HL) from a HK student.  Good grade in some "hard" subjects (e.g. HL math, HL 2nd language, HL History, HL Economics and HL Music) is also generally recognised as evidence of a developed mind.  Unless one truly hates math, do math (SL) instead of MS.

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tingtingting

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Forgot to add - most admission officers do not care about grades (the simple fact is that all the shortlisted have top grades).  It is the applicant's attitude, all-roundness and ability to impress that really counts.  A cheerful and positive 45-mark-student is more likely to get an offer from a top medical/law/business school than another 45-mark-student who looks like as if he has just exited from a funeral parlor, isn't it?

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bobbycheung

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Nowadays the pressure is so intense that not only the students look like come out from a funeral parlor, the parents do as well.

原帖由 tingtingting 於 11-11-22 11:28 發表
Forgot to add - most admission officers do not care about grades (the simple fact is that all the shortlisted have top grades).  It is the applicant's attitude, all-roundness and ability to impress th ...

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annie40

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Hi Bobby,

Thank you for your information.  Very helpful. My daughter's teachers are forcing her to take billingual diploma , (ie taking Chinese as first language).  She's in dilemma to choose subjects right now.

I'm a very relaxed mom that I don't mind if she would go to ivy league or not.   Since she is always busy in sports competitiions, I hope she would decide to take French or Chinese as second language finally.

annie

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bobbycheung

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Hi, annie,

To be honest, I don't know much about IB or Ivy League.  All the information I've got, I gleaned it from websites and the dozen of books I have on college admission.  I am certainly no expert.  You said the teachers are forcing your daughter to take Chinese (instead of French) with the aim of getting a bilingual diploma,  I wonder if they are doing it for the benefit of the school or, as they should, with your kid's interest in mind only.   Anyway, it's nice to know your daughter is also good in French.  Having another language as a choice is a luxury not many people can afford.

原帖由 annie40 於 11-11-23 13:00 發表
Hi Bobby,

Thank you for your information.  Very helpful. My daughter's teachers are forcing her to take billingual diploma , (ie taking Chinese as first language).  She's in dilemma to choose subject ...

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