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作者: sabun    時間: 09-3-17 20:12     標題: RC 同ISF,兩間都收,入邊間好啲?

你哋会怎樣揀,不需考慮車程和錢的問題,强調,我不是有錢人,只是一個普通打工仔,只想問那一所較理想.
作者: kcPooh    時間: 09-3-18 15:23

I have the similar problem. For ISF, i just think the financial burden is quite high and the history of the school is still new.

原帖由 sabun 於 09-3-17 20:12 發表
你哋会怎樣揀,不需考慮車程和錢的問題,强調,我不是有錢人,只是一個普通打工仔,只想問那一所較理想.
作者: sabun    時間: 09-3-18 20:14

Yes,ISF just increase the school fee to 11450 per
month!And ISF is not IB.
RC has all IB programme and cost only$6840
per month.
But both of them a good school,and difficult
to get in.
作者: kcPooh    時間: 09-3-18 21:31

True so I would say cost is part of the reason for consideration as the fee is too high compared with other schools. Fee for one child can afford 2 child in the other schools for more.

Of course, I can say the resource for ISF may be better, Teacher to student is around 1:20 of ISF and 1:30 for ESF/RC. The two schools are two diff system, RC being a english based intl school, ISF being a Chinese emphased new school and no IB is offerred now. For ISF, it is still at the investment stage but I just wonder if I should pay for its investment.
作者: popolung    時間: 09-3-18 23:43

This is a happy problem.

But I want to say, RC is in MOS and ISF is in Cyberport. I guess unless you move your house otherwise you should consider how far your kid need to travel and spend daily on transportation.
作者: Onsen    時間: 09-3-19 19:04

I thought ISF is a Chinese school with 100% local kids (despite the name International) while RC is an ESF school with emphasis on Chinese.  Am I right?
作者: popolung    時間: 09-3-19 19:54

原帖由 Onsen 於 09-3-19 19:04 發表
I thought ISF is a Chinese school with 100% local kids (despite the name International) while RC is an ESF school with emphasis on Chinese.  Am I right?


see this from ISF:

http://www.isf.edu.hk/eng/admissions_ap.html

Students:

Language Requirements:

Foundation Year
Students are not required to be proficient in Putonghua and English. Students who are not proficient in Putonghua or English are expected to have strong academic foundations in other areas and enjoy new situations and challenges. It is recommended that parents of new language learners arrange tutoring from the time of admission through the summer prior to enrollment.
Grade 1
We accept students with proficiency in either Putonghua or English. Students who are not proficient in Putonghua or English are expected to have strong academic foundations in other areas and enjoy new situations and challenges. It is recommended that parents of new language learners arrange tutoring from the time of admission through the summer prior to enrollment.
Grade 2 to Grade 5
Applicants are assessed for Chinese and English language proficiency. A higher level of proficiency is required to ensure transfer students can adapt to The ISF Academy language curriculum.
Grade 6 and above
Students take progressively higher levels of language and literature classes in Chinese and English. A third language will be introduced in Grade 8 as an elective.
As a result of our Immersion Program, most students are comfortable conversing in both Putonghua and English within a few months. If required, The ISF Academy will implement a "Scaffolding Program" for students requiring added language reinforcement (additional fees may apply). The ISF Academy will also arrange language foundation courses during the summer for new students. Ongoing support throughout the first year is necessary to ensure a child's successful transition to dual-language instruction.
作者: Onsen    時間: 09-3-19 20:50

I know nothing about ISF.  I only read a related party with a child studied at ISF for 2 years wrote about ISF recently on geobaby.com so I just like to share with you:

"My nephew is happy, though, at school, because he has a few good friends now. So this may be the luckiest part of everything. However, my sister wanted to transfer him out of ISF but he has failed in all applications with international schools. Even with Yew Chung which is known to have slightly lower expectation with English, They only offered to put him in the IEP program, which is a special English immersion class, because his English was considered poor. For comparison, another friend's daughter with a local school has successfully secured a place from Yew Chung without the need to go for any special english immersion class.

Tricky enough, it appears that ISF has never said that they are an international school. My sister threw away all pamphlets she got 2 years ago but I think they never used the term "international school". And strangely, I saw that their most recent advertisement in newspapers are in fact marketing themselves as "a Chinese school". This is again a shock to me."
作者: popolung    時間: 09-3-19 22:09

原帖由 Onsen 於 09-3-19 20:50 發表
I know nothing about ISF.  I only read a related party with a child studied at ISF for 2 years wrote about ISF recently on geobaby.com so I just like to share with you:

"My nephew is happy, though, a ...


this is the link to primary program:

http://www.isf.edu.hk/eng/academics_psc.html

they also have a link to IB, but said "under construction"....
作者: JUL08BB    時間: 09-3-20 00:25

Popolung, 我覺得我要同你敬禮,無論ESF or otherthan ESF school, 你都會用心幫忙,真係要同你講聲''多謝多謝''
作者: mrsho    時間: 09-3-20 00:30

It is true.  Isf never said they are international school.
作者: popolung    時間: 09-3-20 01:43

原帖由 JUL08BB 於 09-3-20 00:25 發表
Popolung, 我覺得我要同你敬禮,無論ESF or otherthan ESF school, 你都會用心幫忙,真係要同你講聲''多謝多謝''


You are welcome. I spent a lot of time studying these schools and website, and struggle quite a lot with schools. Though I have finally "send" my daughter to CWBS, I still want other parents to get enough info in order to bring their kids to the IS they love to, or at least no need to walk via some unnecessary step. Good Luck to all!
作者: tingtingting    時間: 09-3-20 09:48

原帖由 Onsen 於 09-3-19 20:50 發表
I know nothing about ISF.  I only read a related party with a child studied at ISF for 2 years wrote about ISF recently on geobaby.com so I just like to share with you:

"My nephew is happy, though, a ...


I went to geobaby.com but could not find the topic you mentioned.  Any link?
作者: tingtingting    時間: 09-3-20 10:00

Never mind. I found it.

[ 本帖最後由 tingtingting 於 09-3-20 10:01 編輯 ]
作者: cecilau    時間: 09-3-20 12:20

其實我好想知道sabun 樓主你小朋友幾大, 年年都出post 問isf 同rc, or isf 同其他is 比較呀.
http://forum.edu-kingdom.com/vie ... amp;extra=page%3D20
作者: liyinfai    時間: 09-3-20 14:49

I think ISF is not a good choice.
I did a lot of comparison among ISF, VSA, and RC and all other international school already.
My comment on ISF is:
1/ a LOCAL Chinese private through-trained school.
2/ IB program: FAILED
You consider whether apply or not.
作者: popolung    時間: 09-3-20 15:53

原帖由 liyinfai 於 09-3-20 14:49 發表
I think ISF is not a good choice.
I did a lot of comparison among ISF, VSA, and RC and all other international school already.
My comment on ISF is:
1/ a LOCAL Chinese private through-trained school.
...


This is why they said their IB Program is "Under Construction"....

http://www.isf.edu.hk/eng/academics_ip.html
作者: oooray    時間: 09-3-20 15:56

原帖由 liyinfai 於 09-3-20 14:49 發表
I think ISF is not a good choice.
I did a lot of comparison among ISF, VSA, and RC and all other international school already.
My comment on ISF is:
1/ a LOCAL Chinese private through-trained school.
...

Just would like to share your valuable comment of VSA and RC as well. Thank you!
作者: almom    時間: 09-3-20 16:29

I think it should be quite easy to decide between these 2 schools.

The language of instructions are different. The locations are different. The curriculum are different.

ISF is a Chinese school. All classes are conducted in Chinese, except English classes. They have their own self-developed curriculum. They are located on the Island.

RC is an English medium school. All classes are conducted in English. Even with Chinese classes, classes are conducted in English is you are in the beginner class. And even if you are in the intermediate class, Chinese teachers are allowed to supplement their teachings with English, especially with explanation of certain new words. RC is a full-train IB school. It is located in Ma On Shan.

These comparisons are very factual with no personal views added.

There must be qualities that parents expect from a school that they would never compromise.

May be Sabun (or others) can share what they expect from a school, so we can help them decide?

[ 本帖最後由 almom 於 09-3-20 16:37 編輯 ]
作者: happy-kid    時間: 09-3-21 10:54

popolung,

Can you tell us what are the major reasons why you "send" your daughter to CWBS?  (Besides the location).  What is your comment between SJS and CWBS?  Thank you.



原帖由 popolung 於 09-3-20 01:43 發表


You are welcome. I spent a lot of time studying these schools and website, and struggle quite a lot with schools. Though I have finally "send" my daughter to CWBS, I still want other parents to get  ...
作者: popolung    時間: 09-3-21 11:12

原帖由 happy-kid 於 09-3-21 10:54 發表
popolung,

Can you tell us what are the major reasons why you "send" your daughter to CWBS?  (Besides the location).  What is your comment between SJS and CWBS?  Thank you.


Between RC & CWBS, I will choose CWBS because

1. CWBS is much closer to TKO (only 5 mins ride), travelling 2+ hour daily is my major concern
2. CWBS has a longer history, so the school will be more "stable
3. Honestly speaking, CWBS has a higher mix of foreigner vs Chinese, but this can be pros and cons always
4. I do have relatives studying in SC & RC, and those kids keep telling me to go to traditional ESF. RC still have teething issue (but should be able to overcome in a few years). But I think for primary kid should not be a big deal. And RC do have very good facilities and complete IB programs since day 1.

For SJS & CWBS, it is actually hard to choose. But normally you won't have a chance to choose between the two as it is centrally allocated the interview thus the seat in either CWBS / SJS by ESF Center. SJS to me is also very reputable, but if I live in TKO it is quite far away, and travelling is even harder than to RC as RC have school bus picking up children directly from TKO to MOS, but I think only because of the overwhelming issue of CWBS so children has to go to SJS or KJS or BHS, so these school may not offer direct school bus service for only a few kids.

But if your kid has to go to SJS now, stay with it, it is a very good school. And it keeps you a chance to go to other traditional ESF later (including CWBS). Hope I have answered your question, do I misunderstand your question?
作者: popolung    時間: 09-3-21 11:47

原帖由 JUL08BB 於 09-3-20 00:25 發表
Popolung, 我覺得我要同你敬禮,無論ESF or otherthan ESF school, 你都會用心幫忙,真係要同你講聲''多謝多謝''


Also I think I got a lot of useful information and advices from this forum (especially when I am so worried last month about the ESF case), so will like to thank to other parents who have contributed their valuable info here. And I always think "If I help you today, may be I got help from someone tomorrow, and vice versa". Salute to all the BK parents here, and good luck!
作者: happy-kid    時間: 09-3-21 23:10     標題: 回覆 # 的文章

Popolung,

Yes, you have answer my question right.  Thank you so much.
作者: nintendo    時間: 09-3-22 12:06

RC 係國際學校，全英語，非華人學生人數不少；即使是華人臉孔，當中也有一半以上中文只是第二語言程度。學生完全唔識中文都會收。

ISF 強調佢地係本地中文學校，唔係國際學校，英文堂比部份本地學校更少。學生主要係華人，學校亦要求學生父母起碼其中一個會中文。學生完全唔識英文都收，因此吸引不少來自國內的家庭。

兩間學校根本唔同，亦很極端，如果去過面試，應該唔難體驗唔同之處。

其實家長應該心裡有數自己要乜。

RC vs ISF 會咁難選擇咩？
作者: nintendo    時間: 09-3-22 12:07

原帖由 cecilau 於 09-3-20 12:20 發表
其實我好想知道sabun 樓主你小朋友幾大, 年年都出post 問isf 同rc, or isf 同其他is 比較呀.
http://forum.edu-kingdom.com/viewthread.php?tid=1621332&extra=page%3D20



心水清。

早知我唔答佢啦。
作者: popolung    時間: 09-3-22 13:21

原帖由 nintendo 於 09-3-22 12:07 發表



心水清。

早知我唔答佢啦。


doesn't matter, somehow we have shared and answered questions from some other parents too!  
作者: ettawong    時間: 09-3-23 03:01

I think many people are confused with the name ÏSF,  the full name of the school is

Independent School Foundation Academy

"I" refers to INDEPENDENT, not international.

But ISFA attracts quite a lot of non-chinese students.  

In my girl's class of 15 students, 6 of her classmates has non-chinese surname.  And few other classmates (with chinese surnames) who can speak both cantonese & mandarin have mommy who speaks native english.  Many of our fellow parents had overseas exposures, and we just want to see our children learn proper chinese at school.   My feeling for this school is, a well balanced position between international school and local school.
作者: popolung    時間: 09-3-23 10:11

原帖由 ettawong 於 09-3-23 03:01 發表
I think many people are confused with the name ÏSF,  the full name of the school is

Independent School Foundation Academy

"I" refers to INDEPENDENT, not international.

But ISFA attracts quite a lo ...


Is there one IS name started with International? For ISF we are all referring to the one in Cyberport (弘立書院), right?
作者: ettawong    時間: 09-3-23 13:06

Yeah, Yeah, I was talking about 弘立書院.  
I know the parents who are not satisfied with the school, mainly because :

1) they expect the school would stuff the students with loads of facts like local schools  ---- >  obviously a mismatch,

2) they expect students would speak English like a native, but they don't speak english at home.  
----> this is not a problem in my girl's class.  The chinese teacher has to set up a reward system to make them speak mandarin instead of english in class.

Maybe my child was lucky to have very good homeroom teachers.  I have nothing to complain about ISFA, except it is too new.

[ 本帖最後由 ettawong 於 09-3-23 13:08 編輯 ]



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