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作者: tvoincy 時間: 09-5-6 21:26 標題: Contingency plan

Any parents would like to share their contingency plan if the Year-1 place not being offered by ESF?

作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 09-5-6 21:44

Except ESF, apply other schools (both IS and local).

原帖由 tvoincy 於 09-5-6 21:26 發表
Any parents would like to share their contingency plan if the Year-1 place not being offered by ESF?

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作者: tvoincy 時間: 09-5-7 09:49

原帖由 Yau_Cheung 於 09-5-6 21:44 發表
Except ESF, apply other schools (both IS and local).

Yes, but I'm worry the other IS is much more diffcult to get in than ESF.

作者: oooray 時間: 09-5-7 10:16

原帖由 tvoincy 於 09-5-7 09:49 發表

Yes, but I'm worry the other IS is much more diffcult to get in than ESF.

At least some of other IS do not categorize applicants into Cat. 1 and Cat. 2 as ESF and Cat. 2 applicants without any priorities (ESF kinda, siblings...) are always at end of the queue. It is the rule of the ESF game.
Worrying of choosing which offer is much much better than worry of no offer. Right?
So, spending more application fee is the only way out.

作者: almom 時間: 09-5-7 11:25

原帖由 tvoincy 於 09-5-7 09:49 發表

Yes, but I'm worry the other IS is much more diffcult to get in than ESF.

Any school can be difficult to get in.
Any school can be easy to get in.
It all depends on whether, in the first place, you meet the basic admission requirements.

For ESF, because of the history of the group, they need to stick to the "category" thing.
For other schools, they probably would have their own way of giving out priority to students.
And then there is the interview that a student has to pass.

So, I would not say which school is easier to get a place, or which school is difficult. But in any case, like the old saying, never put all your eggs in one basket. Anything can happen. It is not wise to apply to just one school. That's it.

作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 09-5-7 13:40

I think that all good IS are difficult to get in. ESF is also not easy to get in.

原帖由 tvoincy 於 09-5-7 09:49 發表

Yes, but I'm worry the other IS is much more diffcult to get in than ESF.

作者: Onsen 時間: 09-5-7 17:23

Make sure that you also apply for RC and DC, in addition to ESF regular schools. I didn't. But come to think of it, I should have done that. I heard from a kindergarten that all their students got admitted to RC while many of them failed their regular ESF. If I knew more about RC's Chinese curriculum, I might have changed to that, instead of the regular ESF.

作者: popolung 時間: 09-5-9 10:26

原帖由 Onsen 於 09-5-7 17:23 發表
Make sure that you also apply for RC and DC, in addition to ESF regular schools. I didn't. But come to think of it, I should have done that. I heard from a kindergarten that all their students got ...

As RC & DC are ESF PIS (Private Independent School) so they don't need to follow what normal ESF school (as they got annual subsidy from Gov't while PIS is only one off at the beginning) so they don't have Cat 1 / Cat 2 requirement. So most students will have a chance for interview (if they meet requirement) once they apply. For normal ESF, they will need to interview and accept Cat 1 first, then Cat 2, so Cat 2 students normally will have lower chances, or may finally get in an ESF not in their area like this year. So apply both ESF & ESF PIS is the right strategy. Rumor said if you apply PIS you will have no chance for normal ESF, but I can tell it is not correct.

作者: oooray 時間: 09-5-9 11:53

原帖由 popolung 於 09-5-9 10:26 發表

As RC & DC are ESF PIS (Private Independent School) so they don't need to follow what normal ESF school (as they got annual subsidy from Gov't while PIS is only one off at the beginning) so they don ...

Dear popolung, I must correct u that eventhough no Cat 1/Cat 2 categorization is applied in RC & DC, they do have their own priorties.
Parents who applied DC should receive such information by email in Oct 08 regarding priority for interview: DC siblings/ESL kindergarten students/Returning Students[Overseas]/Children of former DC students(An two years old school have former students with children eligible to apply Year 1 this year??? amazing...) Not every Year 1 applicant has been granted an interview by DC up to this moment.
For RC, it seems they interviewed all applicants in the first round.
However, If more and more parents apply RC next year, will the same interview priority as DC apply in RC as well?
My conclusion is that the combo of ESF Central Application + RC + DC is not too " safe" unless you are a student from ESF kindergarten.
To play safe, Non-ESF kindergarten students should apply a few more IS even though ESF schools are their primary target.

作者: almom 時間: 09-5-9 17:25

原帖由 popolung 於 09-5-9 10:26 發表

Rumor said if you apply PIS you will have no chance for normal ESF, but I can tell it is not correct.

Why are you still so obsessed with spreading rumors. Rumors and rumors and it is really no help spreading them around.
So, let it go. OK?
I have friends who have applied to both ESF and an PIS and have got offers from both.
Of course, there are also people that got offer from only ESF or only an PIS. Some probably have no offers. These are probably some upset parents but that does not prove anything at all.

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作者: Onsen 時間: 09-5-11 10:06

Almom, please try to be polite.

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作者: popolung 時間: 09-5-11 13:25

原帖由 almom 於 09-5-9 17:25 發表

Why are you still so obsessed with spreading rumors. Rumors and rumors and it is really no help spreading them around.
So, let it go. OK?
I have friends who have applied to both ESF and an PIS and h ...

I have to state clearly that I am not spreading any rumor. Just both ESF & PIS has a little bit different admission criteria, so this is why they have setup PIS. I am just telling what I know from my experience of what I faced and ESF staff told me this year when I go via all the tough task of Y1 admission. If you think there is mistake please point it out, not need to be annoying. And once again, I think all ESF school are good one, no matter they are PIS or not. RC & DC is good as they teach IB since day 1, and then other ESF is following now.

And have chance of interview doesn't mean anything, whether you can get in RC / DC or not still depends on your kid talent. I want to say I actually hate the Cat system in normal ESF, so some students in Cat 2 will only have chance to interview in 2nd round. So what PIS is using now is much fair to everyone who apply. This is the fact, as I have many Cat 2 ESF student (according to normal ESF) has interview in first round in RC this year, including my daughter and her classmate. While we are all waiting for the 2nd round in ESF.

It is "lucky" that I am not living in Shatin so I "only" think RC is too far away for me, otherwise I will have big headache between choosing RC & other ESF as I think RC course structure is very good.

And even someone said I post too many ESF news, I will say it is among one of the best. And I care about ESF too. Pls don't mis-understand.

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作者: oooray 時間: 09-5-11 13:57

原帖由 popolung 於 09-5-11 13:25 發表

I have to state clearly that I am not spreading any rumor. Just both ESF & PIS has a little bit different admission criteria, so this is why they have setup PIS. I am just telling what I know from m ...

Popolung. Probably, your speech was not precise and concise enough.
I would said that is not a rumor. That is "false information".
Parents thinking of dual applications should go to the link:
http://www.esf.edu.hk/index.aspx?nodeID=1039&langno=1

According to the website, dual applications to ESF school and PIS are allowed.

作者: almom 時間: 09-5-11 14:56

原帖由 Onsen 於 09-5-11 10:06 發表
Almom, please try to be polite.

Thanks, Onsen.
I am glad someone finally pointed out "what" kind of messages are not welcome here.

I am really fed up with someone constantly posting false information here, and got away with it by simply claiming it to be rumors.

But it does not matter anymore. I am glad I now know the rules.

As long as the information suits someone needs, then it is welcome. And pointing out this someone is wrong is not right, and that is considered impolite.

Thanks, Onsen. I now understand the culture or "rules" here. And other parents would certainly try to be "polite" then.

Please do not bother to reply. I do not think I want to waste my time coming back here.

作者: almom 時間: 09-5-11 14:59

原帖由 popolung 於 09-5-11 13:25 發表

I have to state clearly that I am not spreading any rumor. Just both ESF & PIS has a little bit different admission criteria, so this is why they have setup PIS. I am just telling what I know from m ...

You are still obsessed, aren't you?

It has never been a war, if there has been any, at all between RC and ESF.
It has always been in YOUR mind only.
The problem is you have been spreading wrong information.

But it does not matter anymore.

I now know the rules here.

Thanks, anyway.

作者: popolung 時間: 09-5-12 23:28

原帖由 oooray 於 09-5-11 13:57 發表

Popolung. Probably, your speech was not precise and concise enough.
I would said that is not a rumor. That is "false information".
Parents thinking of dual applications should go to the link:
http:// ...

No No. Of course you can make dual application. What I mean is: "rumor" (as no one said in B&W, but someone in our kinder told me) said that if you have applied PIS, other ESF will not take your kid. But I am the one who don't believed this rumor, and try, and finally my kid admit by both ESF School & ESF PIS. So to play safe when you are not able to know where you will end up in, one should apply to both ESF & ESF PIS. That is it. Both ESF & ESF PIS are good schools.

作者: popolung 時間: 09-5-12 23:34

原帖由 almom 於 09-5-11 14:59 發表

You are still obsessed, aren't you?

It has never been a war, if there has been any, at all between RC and ESF.
It has always been in YOUR mind only.
The problem is you have been spreading wrong inf ...

Please tell me accurately what kind of wrong information I am spreading, and if I have, I will apologize. Otherwise, please stop accusing me here.

I know you like RC, and as a big family of ESF, I treated all ESF school are good one, no more no less. But their admission requirement are actually a bit different. This year, this case is even more clear. You may know all kind of insider info of RC as an existing RC parents, but you will not know what happend this year for Y1 admission, unless you are a K2 parents like me, and I have talked to many staff in RC, CWBS & ESF center. I want to share some experiences, so by luck if K1 parents can see here, they will not follow what I have been doing wrong this year.

Hope this can answer your question why you think I am obsessed. But I guess you are actually obsessed by the goodies of RC, and that is not a bad thing. I said again, if I lived closer to RC, I may take RC instead of CWBS, that is it.

作者: dontdont 時間: 09-5-13 00:03

wrong posting....

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作者: oooray 時間: 09-5-13 00:10

原帖由 popolung 於 09-5-12 23:28 發表

No No. Of course you can make dual application. What I mean is: "rumor" (as no one said in B&W, but someone in our kinder told me) said that if you have applied PIS, other ESF will not take your kid ...

So, what is your conclusion?
1. U didn't believe such rumor and u made dual application and then end up u got offer from both. So, rumor is just a rumor.
2. But through your "personal experience" and "somebody" (of course details cannot be disclosed, right?) in Abacus told u something (not in B&W). So, the rumor is not a rumor.
Contradictory???
Your statement is not spreading but mutating the rumor unintentionally.
Sorry for being directed but I have to point out something that was "confusing" (at least I felt).
Elaboration is welcome.

作者: Annie123 時間: 09-5-13 00:35

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作者: popolung 時間: 09-5-13 00:42

原帖由 oooray 於 09-5-13 00:10 發表

So, what is your conclusion?
1. U didn't believe such rumor and u made dual application and then end up u got offer from both. So, rumor is just a rumor.
2. But through your "personal experience" and "somebody" (of course details cannot be disclosed, right?) in Abacus told u something (not in B&W). So, the rumor is not a rumor.
Contradictory???
Your statement is not spreading but mutating the rumor unintentionally.
Sorry for being directed but I have to point out something that was "confusing" (at least I felt).

1. I didn't know such rumor in advance, so I made dual application just to play safe. After I have made dual applications, some "insider" told me about this rumor, and I was terrified until I got both offer. So yes, rumor is a rumor, but you will never know unless you can prove it, or someone can prove it.

2. Whoever and wherever is the insider doesn't matter anymore, as rumor is not correct anyway.

So like other said, daul applications is a good strategy. I do see some Cat 2 parents only apply for normal ESF but not PIS, and end up is even much terrified as they don't have any interview until Mar or Apr.

I hope this clarify my post, and I insist on this as I am trying to tell a fact only, and trying to share personal experience only.

作者: popolung 時間: 09-5-13 00:53

原帖由 Annie123 於 09-5-13 00:35 發表
Popolung,

You are missing the point. It is not about which school is better or which school I like more.

If something is a rumor, just do not spread it. Period.

Like you said, you also believe that ...

You know this is a rumor that is spreading around in ESF, at least in my kinder. I am trying to tell this out so other parents are aware, and they will know it is not true. Traditional mindset may think we should not talk about things which is not correct, but what's wrong is it? If you are parents like me, when someone told you not to make dual applications otherwise this or that will happen, without come across with this post, what will you do? Make only 1 application and finally no interview? Who will suffer?

Think as if you are a 2009 K2 parents, and this year, situation after the financial tsunami is totally different that any year, according to many ESF staff info. ESF seats are so tight.

So be open mind, and we should discuss this openly like we talk about sex with our kid.

There are always some tricks that cheat old lady money, so we keep talk about in open and on "POLICE" program, so to make everyone aware. Hiding is not the best method. Again just like talking sex with your kid, it is hard, but have to go via it.

Looks like this "rumor" issue is like AIDS, everyone is afraid of it. Parents please go to Geokids and see what parents are talking about, and you will know we are just looking at the tips of the iceberg only.

作者: Annie123 時間: 09-5-13 00:56

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作者: popolung 時間: 09-5-13 01:17

原帖由 Annie123 於 09-5-13 00:56 發表

All rumors were claimed to be provided by insiders. All rumors were claimed to be obtained by someone close to the "core group"... etc.

There are probably thousands of "rumors" around. Not only abo ...

Telling a rumor is not correct, is not a responsible person? What kind of logic it is?

Then I think we don't need those programs like " POLICE" to tell you all the trick as one is wise and smart enough and will not trick by the bad guy.

I think parents here has to be open minded and have relax discussion. This is an open forum, you have no right to block what I said, and I am not telling lies. I am telling that there is a rumor, and it is not true, that's it.

And watch your mouth. Pain in the what? You will talk to your kid like that? Be more polite.

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作者: popolung 時間: 09-5-13 01:20

原帖由 Annie123 於 09-5-13 01:05 發表

I am surprised I am still around replying you. You are one real Pain in the A.

May be my English is really poor. I really do not know how what you said can proof that what you did was right.

Anyw ...

Pain in the what? What kind of parents we have here? You can discuss with us, but please do it politely. Once again, please watch your mouth, and make the BK Forum a clean and healthy place for parents & kids. Hope everyone is helping us to maintain this. We are not in PRC, this is HK. I wonder why people don't like someone said something, and even try to say bad stuff.

If I am telling lie, please point out. Telling people that a rumor is not true, is not a lie. Pls think twice.

作者: popolung 時間: 09-5-13 10:54

原帖由 almom 於 09-5-11 14:56 發表

Thanks, Onsen.
I am glad someone finally pointed out "what" kind of messages are not welcome here.

I am really fed up with someone constantly posting false information here, and got away with it by ...

Almon, instead of wasting your precious time try to accuse me, spend your time to help other parents who want to get into RC.

http://forum.edu-kingdom.com/viewthread.php?tid=2125259&extra=page%3D1

That will make good use of your time. I know you will like to protect the name of RC, and try to help out other is much better. Then people will know RC parents are good guys too.

作者: oooray 時間: 09-5-13 13:30

原帖由 popolung 於 09-5-13 00:42 發表

1. I didn't know such rumor in advance, so I made dual application just to play safe. After I have made dual applications, some "insider" told me about this rumor, and I was terrified until I got bo ...

Your conclusion is now clear.
I feel sorry to see some quarrels with other parents. If you could mention which were your personal feelings/experience and which were your viewpoints, less quarrels and more fun.

作者: popolung 時間: 09-5-14 01:46

原帖由 oooray 於 09-5-13 13:30 發表

Your conclusion is now clear.
I feel sorry to see some quarrels with other parents. If you could mention which were your personal feelings/experience and which were your viewpoints, less quarrels and ...

Never mind, it happens. As long as we can help other parents, I can live with this. Somehow no matter how clear you can say, someone may come and accuse.

And more important is that rumor is like AIDS. You didn't talk about it doesn't mean it will disappear. It will appear somewhere else. The best way to tackle it is we talk about it, and let people know that the rumor is real or fake.

And I want to thank you oooray that you look at this case clearly, and willing to stand out to say something fair. Once again, I hope all BK parents can be able to tell other your experience and help other parents.

作者: oooray 時間: 09-5-14 09:42

原帖由 popolung 於 09-5-14 01:46 發表

Never mind, it happens. As long as we can help other parents, I can live with this. Somehow no matter how clear you can say, someone may come and accuse.

And more important is that rumor is like A ...

everybody will defend their faith and will sometimes get stubborn, including u and me. What i can do is reminding myself try not to be subjective and provide false information during discussion.
We do make mistakes and we will be making mistakes.
Practice makes perfect. Right?

作者: Onsen 時間: 09-5-14 10:23

I try to figure out why some parents were really uptighted and get offended when someone mentioning about the admission eligibility to ESF regular and PIS schools.  Are those parents the one who got the offer from RC but not from the ESF regular schools?

Just relax.  It is really better for locals to get admitted to RC when there were over 70% of the students are local residents.  That will give them a better place for Chinese practise in speaking and writting than normal ESF schools.

If I were the principal looking at the applications, what would I think if a child who can go to PIS and then another couldn't.  I read the comment from a judge about ESF admitting locals who want their children to learn English rather than leaving those precious space to the "real" foreigners who really need this kind of schools. (He even complianted about the Mandarin teaching!) Sounds a bit harsh but is true.  I talked to a UK caucasian about their kids' school.  When he found out that my child got admitted to the regular ESF school when his child didn't even got a chance for an interview, he got really mad.  That is entirely understandable.  If my thesis is correct that those parents who got upset by previous postings here are indeed RC parents, please relax and just enjoy your wonderful chance of having the best of both worlds, English and Chinese for your children, under management of the ESF.  If my thesis is incorrect, I apologize in advance.

作者: oooray 時間: 09-5-14 11:27

原帖由 Onsen 於 09-5-14 10:23 發表
I try to figure out why some parents were really uptighted and get offended when someone mentioning about the admission eligibility to ESF regular and PIS schools. Are those parents the one who got t ...

Onsen, I do agree with you.
If parents are proud of their children and their schools, why still concern and compare the admission eligibility?

作者: popolung 時間: 09-5-14 13:07

原帖由 oooray 於 09-5-14 11:27 發表

Onsen, I do agree with you.
If parents are proud of their children and their schools, why still concern and compare the admission eligibility?

I have went via admission processes of both normal ESF & PIS, with certain difficulties this year, so I have some understanding too. Parents normally like to tell others that they have get in a good school, but not the other way round. It can explain why some parents will protect the reputation of their school fiercely, no matter offline or online.

Honestly speaking, I have headache now teaching my kid Chinese myself, and if this is RC, I will leave it to them. But since I know now she will go to CWBS (as geographically it is closer from TKO), I have to take up this job myself or find her a Chinese teacher somewhere later on...... To me both normal ESF & PIS are good school, no big difference. May be the teaching method only. Actually IB is more suitable for local when we are from local system in the past. GCE is much relax, and we may think somehow it is too relax or loose.....

Anyway, yes, be relaxed. A lot of BK parents here are good and willing to share experience. No one I think want to want people to think they are expert of anything. Sharing is a very important culture of the internet, like creative commons. If you don't like it, just leave it. If you think the info is not correct, just point it out, but politely.

Yes, everyone make mistake. I do. And if I really do, I will admit it. This is what we teach our kid too, right?

作者: oooray 時間: 09-5-14 13:41

原帖由 popolung 於 09-5-14 13:07 發表

I have went via admission processes of both normal ESF & PIS, with certain difficulties this year, so I have some understanding too. Parents normally like to tell others that they have get in a good ...

Yes. We were on the same boat experiencing difficulties throughout the admission process.
I know some parents are very nervous today coz they only apply normal ESF (no backup choice) due to insufficent/misleading information (try not to use the word "rumor" right?).
We share because we hope other parents can play the admission game wisely. Right?

作者: popolung 時間: 09-5-14 13:44

原帖由 oooray 於 09-5-14 13:41 發表

Yes. We were on the same boat experiencing difficulties throughout the admission process.
I know some parents are very nervous today coz they only apply normal ESF (no backup choice) due to insuffice ...

Absolutely! And hope those parents can get via this "nightmare" finally!

作者: Annie123 時間: 09-5-15 18:42

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作者: popolung 時間: 09-5-16 14:25

If someone try to point out other people's mistake, first be patience. Try to say other people "Pain in the ???" will not help. I wonder if you teach your kid in this way, and then how other people will look upon RC parents like these. Try to build up reputation of the school, starting from the attitude of the parents themselves.

I will apologize if I make mistake, and I did in the past if you have looked at my post. Will you do the same?

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作者: Onsen 時間: 09-5-16 16:34

The quality of a school depends not only on its teacher, principal and the sponsoring body, but largely depend on parents. How the parents look at the world and a sense of social justice contributes greatly to the children's perception of the world. The home education also affects a child's attitude toward others and acceptance of other different from oneself. This is how most people judge the success and failure of a school's education, not just in academic.

We as a parent should set a good example to our children, just tolerence of differences, and be considerate, and always look at different views, not just from oneself. I certainly would hope to see those ten missing RC parents return to this site for open-minded discussion and continue sharing of their experience with RC which I placed a lot of hope on it.

作者: Annie123 時間: 09-5-18 11:27

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作者: oooray 時間: 09-5-18 12:22

原帖由 Annie123 於 09-5-18 11:27 發表
All I have been expecting is that parents would post messages with responsibilities.

When posting messages with personal views, do share whatever you want to share. You can judge a school or even jud ...

Dear Annie123,
Thanks for your sharing.
I think the best way to defense false information is keep providing correct information, if you think you are still the one who can contribute here.
Maybe you are an idealist. Don't expect too much in an internet forum.
Even in the real world, Our Pious, Catholic, Chief Executive Donald Tsang could open his eyes and tell lies that he can present majority of Hong Kong citizens.
What can we do? Emmigrate to somewhere?? or keep shouting he was wrong?

作者: popolung 時間: 09-5-18 12:59

原帖由 Annie123 於 09-5-13 01:05 發表

I am surprised I am still around replying you. You are one real Pain in the A.

May be my English is really poor. I really do not know how what you said can proof that what you did was right.

Anyw ...

To Annie 123,

If you think I am spreading rumor, point it out, politely, then I will discuss with you, like everyone else.

In my eye, ESF is the same like every school, including RCHK, no more, no less. They may have different criterias in admission, so I am just sharing admission issue I face this year, only for this year. And after all, they are the same.

If you think you are a responsible parent, please DO NOT use FOUL LANGUAGE in BK Forum. I wonder if you take to your kids like this. I will apolozgie to what I have said, if that is a mistake, no matter you like it or not. Over-reaction doesn't grant you a right to speak FOUL LANGUAGE here, a parental forum like BK Forum, so please WATCH YOUR MOUTH!

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