教育王國

標題: 身邊好多細仔細囡都未有offer, 有無其他家長可以分享吓 ! [打印本頁]

作者: Chincco 時間: 09-11-8 21:12 標題: 身邊好多細仔細囡都未有offer, 有無其他家長可以分享吓 !

身邊好多細仔細囡都未有offer, 有無其他家長可以分享吓 !

作者: hkcindy 時間: 09-11-8 21:19

加油呀~ 細仔唔=機會細架~ 加油加油~

作者: Tiffannyc0211 時間: 09-11-8 21:25

My daughter is Big girl, but 都未有offer !
SO BAD.......

ADD OIL !!!

作者: luiluimama 時間: 09-11-8 21:27

what school you had applied?

原帖由 Tiffannyc0211 於 09-11-8 21:25 發表
My daughter is Big girl, but 都未有offer !
SO BAD.......

ADD OIL !!!

作者: Tiffannyc0211 時間: 09-11-8 21:44

Thanks ! GOOD Question...........
1. Wong Kam Fai -

2. St. Margaret -

3. DGJS - NO 2nd in...maybe

on 19/12
4. Good Hope - still waiting
5. SFA - still waiting,too

原帖由 luiluimama 於 09-11-8 21:27 發表
what school you had applied?

作者: luiluimama 時間: 09-11-8 21:53

我同你都差無幾啦

1. WKF - Waiting
2. GH - failed (依間都failed, 無waiting, 沮喪都想死)
3. DGJS - same with u, no 2nd in
4. SFA - waiting for result, but no expectation
5. RHS - waiting for result, no expectation too
6. SPCC - no 2nd in, must be fail
7. KTS - failed
8. Creative - accepted, but very expensive

所以我近排心情勁down呀

原帖由 Tiffannyc0211 於 09-11-8 21:44 發表
Thanks ! GOOD Question...........
1. Wong Kam Fai -
2. St. Margaret -
3. DGJS - NO 2nd in...maybe on 19/12
4. Good Hope - still waiting
5. SFA - still waiting,too

...

作者: bowling68 時間: 09-11-8 21:57

細仔細女.... 唔介意既話

到出年六月
崇真
St. Margaret
一定得

作者: Chincco 時間: 09-11-8 21:59

我原本對囡囡都超有信心, 點知.......
個日同囡囡個校長傾開, 佢即刻問我囡囡係邊個月出世, 我話12月中, 佢即刻答 " 不怪得啦 ! " 唉 !

作者: Chincco 時間: 09-11-8 22:02

原帖由 bowling68 於 09-11-8 21:57 發表
細仔細女.... 唔介意既話

到出年六月
崇真
St. Margaret
一定得

對st. margaret失晒信心啦 !
但你點知出年6月一定得呀 ?

作者: Tiffannyc0211 時間: 09-11-8 22:05

ADD OIL ..........

Me too....我近排心情都very,very,very........勁down &勁差law.......

p.s. KTS - same,same with you

原帖由 luiluimama 於 09-11-8 21:53 發表
我同你都差無幾啦

1. WKF - Waiting
2. GH - failed (依間都failed, 無waiting, 沮喪都想死)
3. DGJS - same with u, no 2nd in
4. SFA - waiting for result, but no expectation
5. RHS - waiting for result, no ...

作者: luiluimama 時間: 09-11-8 22:09

你唔使咁擔心啦, 你GH仲有希望

原帖由 Tiffannyc0211 於 09-11-8 22:05 發表
ADD OIL ..........

Me too....我近排心情都very,very,very........勁down &勁差law.......
p.s. KTS - same,same with you

作者: VIRUS 時間: 09-11-8 22:14

1. YW - failed
2. DBS - waiting for result
3. KTS - 2nd in
4. SFA - waiting for result
5. CKY - failed
6. WKF - Waiting List

其實我對我小兒信心十足.
因為我仔仔表達能力好高.
但出來的結果就好失望.
其實令我更加失望就係好多學校原來都唔鐘意收細仔.
但點解唔好似有一些學校(例如:培正..)講到明唔收細仔.
無謂白白浪費我們的時間和精神呢!!!

作者: Tiffannyc0211 時間: 09-11-8 22:16

Thanks,thanks,thanks.............

原帖由 luiluimama 於 09-11-8 22:09 發表
你唔使咁擔心啦, 你GH仲有希望

作者: monkeydog 時間: 09-11-8 22:20

add oil! there must be something for each of you at the end

作者: monkeydog 時間: 09-11-8 22:23

i saw quite a number of parents have more than one offer on BK and they need to give up some offers anyway. There is still hope. Who knows there may be more choices available at later rounds.

Dont forget the birth rate of 2004 was the lowest one in Hk history!

作者: Chincco 時間: 09-11-8 22:32

原帖由 VIRUS 於 09-11-8 22:14 發表
1. YW - failed
2. DBS - waiting for result
3. KTS - 2nd in
4. SFA - waiting for result
5. CKY - failed
6. WKF - Waiting List

其實我對我小兒信心十足.
因為我仔仔表達能力好高.
但出來的結果就好失望.
其 ...

超同意你啲講法 ! 點解d學校會咁架 ?
我囡囡成績不知幾好, 向出面亦攞唔少獎, 表達能力亦好好, 但又如何 ? 就因為佢係細囡 ?

作者: Chincco 時間: 09-11-8 22:34

原帖由 monkeydog 於 09-11-8 22:23 發表
i saw quite a number of parents have more than one offer on BK and they need to give up some offers anyway. There is still hope. Who knows there may be more choices available at later rounds.

Dont fo ...

雖然個個都話2004年出生率低, 但間間小學啲報考人數都破晒記錄. 家吓d細b, 係連2nd interview 啲機會都無, 仲點有希望呀 ?

作者: hkcindy 時間: 09-11-8 22:56

BUT 而家仲早, 好多都未出result喎~ 唔好噤快

啦!

作者: Loklok2 時間: 09-11-8 23:01

原帖由 Chincco 於 09-11-8 21:59 發表
我原本對囡囡都超有信心, 點知.......
個日同囡囡個校長傾開, 佢即刻問我囡囡係邊個月出世, 我話12月中, 佢即刻答 " 不怪得啦 ! " 唉 !

唔好話你個女係12月出世呀，我個仔係7月出世都冇著數啦！
我觀課時已經知道大仔好好多，全班學生中只有幾個細仔細女，我個仔7月係其中一個，而其他就係大仔大女，上課時好明顯係儍D好似發夢一樣，大仔大女好明顯反應好和快，所以考試係有優勢。

作者: Chincco 時間: 09-11-8 23:04

原帖由 hkcindy 於 09-11-8 22:56 發表
BUT 而家仲早, 好多都未出result喎~ 唔好噤快啦!

就係已經知道result先咁講 ! 如果唔係, 又點知咁多細b無offer喎 ! 我識得幾個細b, 已經知道晒result, 係全軍覆沒呀 !

作者: PMma 時間: 09-11-8 23:05

Interviews for primary one in DSS or private schools are getting earlier and earlier now.  The rules of this game is unfair for lately born kids anyway.

My son just turned 5 when he had his first interview at Ying Wa.  Then in later interviews, we saw many "big and tall" boys around ..........

Those, who were born towards end of the year, may consider to repeat K3 or to re-apply while being in P.1.  But for us, we have no choice!

作者: Siuding 時間: 09-11-8 23:11

My daughter also born in late Dec 2004. She can get the offer from Good Hope and 2nd in of KTS. However, she cannot have the 2nd in of DGJS and co-ed. This is within my expectation cos we are not related. My girl got full "Excellent" in K2 result in a famous kindergarten and win many prizes inside and outside HK. But we do our best, no regret. If the school just think the month of birth is the most important thing and ignore the other factors even she performed good, just let them think that. I will not waste 1 year for those school. I just wait for any school can appreciate her.

作者: Chincco 時間: 09-11-8 23:13

原帖由 Loklok2 於 09-11-8 23:01 發表

唔好話你個女係12月出世呀，我個仔係7月出世都冇著數啦！
我觀課時已經知道大仔好好多，全班學生中只有幾個細仔細女，我個仔7月係其中一個，而其他就係大仔大女，上課時好明顯係儍D好似發夢一樣，大仔大女好明顯反應好和快，所以考 ...

我囡囡雖然係細女, 但我並唔覺得佢反應比大仔大囡差, 即使佢差不多係全班最為細, 但佢次次考試都係名列前茅 ! 校內校外亦攞唔少獎.

[ 本帖最後由 Chincco 於 09-11-8 23:16 編輯 ]

作者: PMma 時間: 09-11-8 23:17

Difference in age for 1-2 months already have great differences in maturity at such a young age. It may be especially true at "5 years old" as it is marked as the beginning of "schooling age" internationally. At least, I found my son grown up a lot within last 2 months after turning 5.

If Education Bureau allows all kids born before Dec 31 to apply primary one. It should be fairer for all kids if the interviews of DSS or private schools are taken in 2010.

But probably due to the vigorous competition in the "market", these schools have to arrange the interviews earlier and earlier now.

原帖由 Loklok2 於 09-11-8 23:01 發表

唔好話你個女係12月出世呀，我個仔係7月出世都冇著數啦！
我觀課時已經知道大仔好好多，全班學生中只有幾個細仔細女，我個仔7月係其中一個，而其他就係大仔大女，上課時好明顯係儍D好似發夢一樣，大仔大女好明顯反應好和快，所以考 ...

作者: wahfai 時間: 09-11-9 00:02 標題: 回覆 21# PMma 的文章

Agree!
My girl was born in July 04, for those born between Sep to Dec 04, you still have choice to repeat one year, but for ours born in the middle of the year, less chance to get offer.
SPCC - No 2nd in
DGJS - rejected
GH - still wait for letter
SH - Not yet interview

Can't wait till June, next year. Kill me.

作者: wootaitai 時間: 09-11-9 00:25

提示: 作者被禁止或刪除內容自動屏蔽

作者: fishballbaby 時間: 09-11-9 00:42

我囝囝只係13個月既九月BB，但係現在為他報PN，已經困難重重，報了好多間，有大大部份連INTERVIEW既機會都冇。

人仔細細都未續書，我已經好擔心了，加上睇到你哋既遭遇，就更加擔心。

作者: wootaitai 時間: 09-11-9 00:45

提示: 作者被禁止或刪除內容自動屏蔽

作者: goodboymama 時間: 09-11-9 01:01

等抽，再揾小一定repeat好，好煩呀！今次真係一子錯滿盤皆落索！個仔前途就在我手上！

作者: 林嬌嬌 時間: 09-11-9 01:18

細女們, 有冇報OUR LADY, TAK NGA ?

6月時TSL, KTS,九龍MANSUNG仲有機會的. 千萬不要灰心.

大抽獎後叩門, 一般叫OK的津校，去到８月都會有位架, (只要心頭千萬不要太高, MCS, LS, STＭＡＲＹ有位係都比有關係人士先）

[ 本帖最後由林嬌嬌於 09-11-9 01:42 編輯 ]

作者: Chincco 時間: 09-11-9 01:24

原帖由 goodboymama 於 09-11-9 01:01 發表

等抽，再揾小一定repeat好，好煩呀！今次真係一子錯滿盤皆落索！個仔前途就在我手上！mouth:" />

如果repeat,都唔知點同囡囡解釋 ? 雖然話佢哋係細仔細囡, 但佢哋已經識得咩嘢係自尊, 點樣話佢知, 間間都唔收佢呀 ?

作者: Chincco 時間: 09-11-9 01:26

原帖由 林嬌嬌 於 09-11-9 01:18 發表
細女們, 有冇報OUR LADY, TAK NGA ?

點解咁問呀 ?

作者: 林嬌嬌 時間: 09-11-9 01:45

原帖由 Chincco 於 09-11-9 01:26 發表

點解咁問呀 ?

仲有培道
相對容易考到，又ＯＫ的學校。叫做有一鳥在手，派位派得差都不令你太惶恐

[ 本帖最後由林嬌嬌於 09-11-9 02:17 編輯 ]

作者: smartmatt 時間: 09-11-9 01:59 標題: not a great believer

原帖由 wootaitai 於 09-11-9 00:25 發表
actually no proof that the awards are of any use ar... I regret wasting so much time on those things

My daughter has 10+ awards, I know someone with 20+ awards but also no second in with DGJS. She is ...

I'm not a great believer in impact of the awards, so my daughter (kids) don't have much - just 3. I believe QUALITY time spend with daughter and family has more impact. Nurture and develop the INDIVIDUAL much more important - self confidence, expression and manners.

I think there is some truth in this small / big kid issue, but probably not the decisive. My girl is born in August so small girl, if I remember only one rejection from Kinder (even though know one of the teachers) and her school results are not bad.  Her account of her interviews have been good and so far 2nd int with KTS. At 2 the difference is big, but at 5 the difference is small.

The whole system with the very "best" school amounts to lucky draw given at best it is 1-10 chance of getting a place.  Based on less then 15 minutes I think it is more a process of elimination then selection based on merit. So if not selected does not mean kid not the best just didn't perform in that 15 minutes.

I strongly suggest NOT to show any strong emotions to your kid when you know the result good or bad (or immediately after their account of interviews) this will only hurt them.  Ping Sum Ping Hay!  (My Chinese typing not good.)

Our kids are luckiest one in HK as they have great parents. My overseas friends thinks my daughter is much more mature then her counterparts in developed countries, I guess yours are too.  What we put our kids thru is madness.

Sadly, all HK kids are failed by our Government.  The gap from best and rest is so huge. School allocation system is essentially a lucky draw - HK's 2nd mark six!  The best private schools are overwhelmed with applications, our kids face the prospect failure at a very young age else they end up getting a bad education.

The road is still very long...don't forget to enjoy route!

作者: bowling68 時間: 09-11-9 02:29

actually it is fair for those small kids (born in Nov. / Dec. 2004 ) to take P.1 for 2011, together with those big kids (born in Jan / Feb 2005). Both spend (waste) 1 year.

For the small girls, some are capable to pick up earlier,
but for the small boys, most of them develop slower.

作者: eggmama 時間: 09-11-9 03:09

agree. 'elimination' system is easier to control for schools.

原帖由 smartmatt 於 09-11-9 01:59 發表

I'm not a great believer in impact of the awards, so my daughter (kids) don't have much - just 3. I believe QUALITY time spend with daughter and family has more impact. Nurture and develop the I ...

作者: fatanna123 時間: 09-11-9 06:49

我想話點解雖然話出生率低, 但都超多人報名, 因為現加插了十分之多的內地新移民, 你唔好唔記得, 此類人是有錢o個 D, 我地D香港市民點比喎, 你估學校唔驚香港班友可能因失之類的問題而日後無錢交學費咩, 仲有大把跟尾D補習費, 課外活動呢! 淨係呢一PART 都已將學額分走左啦!!

我覺得如果你地D仔女是細仔的話, 便請留多一年, 因上到小學後真的很難追, 小朋友就算是相差一個月, 但學習能力都差好遠, 費時追唔上比人趕出校, 你仲驚!

作者: circleda 時間: 09-11-9 07:30

I can't agree with you - the HK kids, in general, are poor to have those pushy parents and the biggest problem in HK education system is exactly the parents! While government tried to facilitate the learning by introducing 母語教學, who were doing the vote to object? THE PARENTS. I bet even government do anything to change the situation, like complete lucky draw, or complete selection authority in the schools, the parents will still just squeeze into the old famous school - it's in the gene!

原帖由 smartmatt 於 09-11-9 01:59 發表
Our kids are luckiest one in HK as they have great parents. Myoverseas friends thinks my daughter is much more mature then hercounterparts in developed countries, I guess yours are too. What weput our kids thru is madness.

Sadly, all HK kids are failed by our Government. The gap from best andrest is so huge. School allocation system is essentially a lucky draw- HK's 2nd mark six! The best private schools are overwhelmed withapplications, our kids face the prospect failure at a very young ageelse they end up getting a bad education.

[ 本帖最後由 circleda 於 09-11-9 07:35 編輯 ]

作者: wootaitai 時間: 09-11-9 09:25

提示: 作者被禁止或刪除內容自動屏蔽

作者: monkeydog 時間: 09-11-9 09:49

Thats is what HK Govt wants to see. More people go to private or DSS schools and therefore less finanical burden for Govt schools.

Same as hospital, they want people going to private hospital or paying private insurance.

This P1 private school/ DSS interview game will only become competitive with the years to come

作者: Chincco 時間: 09-11-9 10:13

培正啲做方真係好好, 講明唔收細仔細囡, 咁可以等家長死左條心, 或等多一年先報,唔洗浪費大家啲心血同時間. 其他學校真係要好好學習. 既然唔鈡意收細仔, 細囡, 咪唔好接受人哋申請囉, 可必多此一舉.

作者: traeh 時間: 09-11-9 10:36

就算係SPCCPS，都一樣有十月、十一月出世，來自中產家庭（唔係大富大貴）的小朋友讀緊，所以我相信大部分學校唔係絕對唔收細仔，而係真係睇面試表現．咁細人幾個月至一年，就多數都無咁淡定，無咁成熟，要真係好出色的小朋友至有機會．就算平時好醒，都要係入去個幾分鐘至一小時發揮出來先得，父母真係好難控制．

原帖由 Chincco 於 09-11-9 10:13 發表
培正啲做方真係好好, 講明唔收細仔細囡, 咁可以等家長死左條心, 或等多一年先報,唔洗浪費大家啲心血同時間. 其他學校真係要好好學習. 既然唔鈡意收細仔, 細囡, 咪唔好接受人哋申請囉, 可必多此一舉. ...

考學校，真係好睇臨場面試表現，攞獎係錦上添花，或者有兩個差不多表現的細路，多獎個位會有優勢．超大女（前一年十月／十一月）出生的小朋友，一樣冇SPCCPS 2nd interview，DGJS 2nd interview，我見都有起碼有兩個十二月出世的細女．真係好睇小朋友臨場有無發揮小宇宙，尤其細仔細女．

原帖由 wootaitai 於 09-11-9 00:25 發表
actually no proof that the awards are of any use ar... I regret wasting so much time on those things...

無論幾時面試，係幼稚園甚至初小階段，小朋友年紀差一年，一般都有一定差異，所以就算出年面試，細仔細女真係叻咗，但係大仔大女咪一樣更成熟？或者要等升中面試時，相差o個一年半載至真正無影響．

原帖由 PMma 於 09-11-8 23:17 發表
...If Education Bureau allows all kids born before Dec 31 to apply primary one. It should be fairer for all kids if the interviews of DSS or private schools are taken in 2010 ...

作者: Chincco 時間: 09-11-9 11:45

原帖由 traeh 於 09-11-9 10:36 發表
就算係SPCCPS，都一樣有十月、十一月出世，來自中產家庭（唔係大富大貴）的小朋友讀緊，所以我相信大部分學校唔係絕對唔收細仔，而係真係睇面試表現．咁細人幾個月至一年，就多數都無咁淡定，無咁成熟，要真係好出色的小朋友至有機會．就算 ...

當然佢哋唔係絕對唔收細仔, 只係會優先考慮大仔囉 ! 之前有個家長, 佢仔仔都係超細仔,不過人哋識幾國語言, 咁當然間間學校都想收佢啦, 但又有幾多個小朋友會咁勁呀 ! 咁你有無計過,spccps有幾多個細仔, 細囡呀 ? 有幾多個係12月出世啲超細b呀? 今時唔同往日, 早兩年競爭無咁大, 但今年好明顯, 細仔, 細囡啲機會係無大仔咁多.
如果論表現, 細仔細囡真係唔一定差過d大b, 即使大家表現, 成績....一樣, d學校都係會優先考慮大b.

你話 "真係好睇小朋友臨場有無發揮小宇宙，尤其細仔細女", 咪係囉, 個個都先入為主, 覺得細仔細女就係會咁囉 !

[ 本帖最後由 Chincco 於 09-11-9 11:51 編輯 ]

作者: ysnmama 時間: 09-11-9 16:00

你的女兒雖然是細女. 但既然你認定她不會比大家所謂的大女差. 而她在學校成績又好. 獎項又多, 表達能力又好. 就是暫時沒有心儀的學校收. 若真的有真本領. 日後再考插班. 只要有能力. 不會沒機會的.

如果學校真那麼以月齡去衡量能力. 但又不排除真的有細仔細女能考入. 那麼也得接受現實及認同他們的"各方面"能力可能真的很好. 因為真的人外有人. 天外有天.

原帖由 Chincco 於 09-11-9 11:45 發表

當然佢哋唔係絕對唔收細仔, 只係會優先考慮大仔囉 ! 之前有個家長, 佢仔仔都係超細仔,不過人哋識幾國語言, 咁當然間間學校都想收佢啦, 但又有幾多個小朋友會咁勁呀 ! 咁你有無計過,spccps有幾多個細仔, 細囡呀 ? ...

作者: Chincco 時間: 09-11-9 16:34

原帖由 ysnmama 於 09-11-9 16:00 發表
你的女兒雖然是細女. 但既然你認定她不會比大家所謂的大女差. 而她在學校成績又好. 獎項又多, 表達能力又好. 就是暫時沒有心儀的學校收. 若真的有真本領. 日後再考插班. 只要有能力. 不會沒機會的.

如果學校真那 ...

我身邊有好幾個朋友都有同樣啲遭遇, 同樣啲感覺, 我只係想問吓有無其他家長都係咁.

路不同, 不相為謀 ! 我只希望有同樣情況啲家長, 大家可以交流吓 ! 大家可以互相鼓勵吓 !

[ 本帖最後由 Chincco 於 09-11-9 16:38 編輯 ]

作者: wootaitai 時間: 09-11-9 16:42

提示: 作者被禁止或刪除內容自動屏蔽

作者: Chincco 時間: 09-11-9 17:08

原帖由 wootaitai 於 09-11-9 16:42 發表
Chincco - dont worry... try again next year lor. As I said. this is small girl's advantage actually, to have 2 chances

Your daughter is smart indeed. My daughter was weak in interviews, therefore all ...

wootaitai,多謝您呀!

其實我並唔係好worry,只係有d激氣, 點解有d人要用自己把尺去量d細仔,細囡. 我囡囡亦末去到絕境.

只係前日帶囡囡去公園玩, 同一個媽咪傾開,佢有一仔一囡,佢都覺得d細b被歧視. 佢細囡係超細囡, 家吓都未到3歲, 已經去參與英語/普通語等朗誦比賽, 學勁多嘢, 一口流利英文, 佢都話要比囡囡repeat K1, 因為眼見仔仔 & 其他朋友啲遭遇.

我細囡都係12月細囡, 家吓讀K1, 係咪都應該考慮吓, 比佢repeat 一年呢 ! 你知啦 ! d人成日覺得大仔, 大囡先成熟d, 表現好d ! interview時又容易控制d.

作者: smartmatt 時間: 09-11-9 17:33

原帖由 circleda 於 09-11-9 07:30 發表
I can't agree with you - the HK kids, in general, are poor to have those pushy parents and the biggest problem in HK education system is exactly the parents! While government tried to facilitate the l ...

If I don't push my kids now then they will have PHYSICALLY push for a living when they grow up. Its a matter of percentages, without a good education the chances of a good job is almost nil. Without a good job then there very few options in life.

HK education system produces kids that are and will not be able to compete with its neighbors. Unfortunately, HK government is very self centered and now northwards looking. It does not listen to its people or more critically does not listen to its middle class, whom are the backbone of any nation. We are fast becoming a SAR of shop keepers and tour operators. Even these attraction will loose its appeal in 10 years time.

作者: agnesbibi 時間: 09-11-10 11:56

我個仔是下年才考小學的, 之前去過一些直資學校的開放日, 就開始有d 緊張, 真的天外有天, 小朋友已經是有很大競爭了.
我仔仔的kg時常派一些學校的開會日單張, 全部都是殺校線的, 也嚇得我要死. 因為怕兒子不幸入了這些學校.
為什麼我給兒子挑選直資, 是因為我很清楚他是一個讀書材料, 不想大抽獎令他有不幸的命運. 我只可盡力去挑選好的直資小學, 希望他的才能不至埋沒.
我也留意這裡家長的派位消息. 知道是很難考的. 慢慢地, 我就要開始adjust 我的心態. 很多事也是命運來的. 我們做家長只可盡力去教, 而這一年開始, 我一個星期只返2-3日工, 其他時間就留在家工作及跟他讀書, 去興趣班.
慢慢地, 我開始放鬆了, 因為我對兒子有信心. 只是他是一個沉靜的人, 我知道去面試是不夠其他小朋友精靈. 我就盡力去教他說話, 教他drawing, 一日一本圖書. 興趣班也安排了5個, 幸運的他只覺得是去玩, 沒有壓力, 也很喜歡. 如果他下年去考時入不了心儀的直資, 也沒有辨法. 但我也享受了教他的樂趣, 與他也學識很多事物, 不是白廢的.

所以未有收到信的mami, 不要灰心, 對自己的小朋友也有信心.

歡迎光臨教育王國 (/)