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標題: Unfairness in Religion Mark and Parent relation Mark [打印本頁]

作者: Ving 時間: 10-10-1 13:12 標題: Unfairness in Religion Mark and Parent relation Mark

If my children cannot enter good P1 school due to he is inferior to others in (Language, Music, EQ, Politeness), then I have nothing to say and accept.

But if due to religion + Parent relations, (e.g., the problem disclosed in York Kindergarten), then I really think that HK Education system is dead. What's your view on it?

作者: DaddyX 時間: 10-10-1 15:26

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作者: ANChan59 時間: 10-10-1 16:39

Date back old days, most schools were run by churches either Catholic and Christian denominations or missionaries. After so many years, they are well established and the outputs or throughputs from those schools are above the par, that's why so many parents want their kids to study in those schools. Don't confused cause & effect.

Nowaday, parents turn it other way round, religionous schools should not favour their believers, should open for more non-believers (Catholic and Christian have only 6% each in Hong Kong population).

Most believers have another view, like If I am a Christian, I won't opt for other religionous schools. But a non-believer is open for all options.

If other non-religionous schools are better than religionous schools, are you have the same comment?

Also Catholic and Christian have schools from Band 1 to Band 3, we are only talking Band 1 religionous school....... how about Band 2-3, will they send their kids to study there......

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作者: Ving 時間: 10-10-1 17:12

Today is already year 2010, It is nonsense that HK Education system still have religion discrimination. If still adopting this system, it will only refrain good quality candidates from entering good schools. Is this the core values in Hong Kong?

"York kindergarten" is just the tip of the iceberg. If there is still such silly policy from our great Government, people will only use all kinds of diry means to achieve the objectives. Those so called "Educators" will use dirty dirty methods to earn money.

作者: littlefaith 時間: 10-10-1 18:00

我自己係天主教徒，我都認為要取消宗教分。因為依家太多人諗盡方法入教去搏名校，入到名校「過咗海就神仙」，做「掛名教徒」，永世唔返教會，有啲仲會批評學校太多宗教活動，收咁多呢啲人，盞搞。

唔好計宗教分，會少咗好多心理不平衡嘅「掛名教友」。

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作者: ANChan59 時間: 10-10-1 18:03

Personally, I prefer open examination which is fair.

So those parents assume their kids are bright and excellent may come up other excuses as their kids may not get into elite schools........

科舉......世襲.......科舉......世襲.......

作者: DaddyX 時間: 10-10-1 18:07

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作者: ANChan59 時間: 10-10-1 18:45 標題: 回覆 8# DaddyX 的文章

如果教會學校係只有Band 2-3，唔知有無非教徒想入。

好多教會學校比其他學校好......點解呢......分別係宗教理念融入教育理念及多d老師既委身.......

作者: Ving 時間: 10-10-1 18:46

Just want to know how come religion and parent mark related with childrens' personal capability and have preferences to good schools. Is this fair?

It seems that our "Education system" likes China and everything talking about relationship. Not much related with children's ability..

作者: nicolemummy 時間: 10-10-1 19:01

如果入讀學校跟小朋友"能力"有關係, 這也是另一種不公平. 學校不是"有教無類"嗎? 為何發展慢點(不是遲緩)入讀學校機會少一點. 畢竟只是5歲人仔, 大仔和細仔的"年齡"差異是2成...

其實, 無論用那一個角度去說"公平", 都不合適.

我個人覺得宗教分係對的(我是沒有宗教分人士).

教會辦學, 大家又要爭教會既學校, 但又要批評給教會的5分. 就好像,

"老師, 你要教我個仔, 但你有位都唔好畀你自己個仔先, 因為咁樣唔公平".

教友金錢上捐獻支持教會, 教會可以辦學, 其他非教友又來想入學. 又批評教會優惠教友. 如覺得教會辦事不公, 不如不選教會辦的學校啦.

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作者: Ving 時間: 10-10-1 19:11

Actually, I don't agree that 小朋友"能力" 是另一種不公平 to assess whether he/she can go into good school or not.

If you have this viewpoint, then I think the most fair game is lucky draw. All Government/Sub/DSS/Private school P1 seats dig out for lucky draw and see who is lucky or not (Mark 6 lottery). That becomes the most fair and God's decision.

原帖由 nicolemummy 於 10-10-1 19:01 發表
如果入讀學校跟小朋友"能力"有關係, 這也是另一種不公平. 學校不是"有教無類"嗎? 為何發展慢點(不是遲緩)入讀學校機會少一點. 畢竟只是5歲人仔, 大仔和細仔的"年齡"差異是2成...

其實, 無論用那一個角度去說"公平", ...

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作者: nicolemummy 時間: 10-10-1 19:39

最公平是大派位, 連甚麼第一志願等都唔需要填, 電腦中央派位....

但係, 有幾多人想咁.

原帖由 Ving 於 10-10-1 19:11 發表
Actually, I don't agree that 小朋友"能力" 是另一種不公平 to assess whether he/she can go into good school or not.

If you have this viewpoint, then I think the most fair game is lucky draw. All Govern ...

作者: ANChan59 時間: 10-10-1 19:58

原帖由 nicolemummy 於 10-10-1 19:39 發表
最公平是大派位, 連甚麼第一志願等都唔需要填, 電腦中央派位....
但係, 有幾多人想咁.

Most of those try whatever means and can't get into their target school(s) will support that.

作者: littlefaith 時間: 10-10-1 20:13

最公平係將全部學校打散，改埋名，重新玩過，變哂做「國家第一小學」、「國家第二小學」，咁到時咪唔會再有人爭入DBS、LS、SPCC囉，因為呢啲學校都已經唔存在囉。

作者: panbaby 時間: 10-10-1 20:20

又要入人地教會學校, 又唔俾人地選有信教學生, 咁人家做傳什麼教? 可以去官校呀...

作者: ANChan59 時間: 10-10-1 21:36

原帖由 panbaby 於 10-10-1 20:20 發表
又要入人地教會學校, 又唔俾人地選有信教學生, 咁人家做傳什麼教? 可以去官校呀...

咪係囉，呢期興顛倒是非黑白......

今朝港台"千禧年代"有個家長將填假地址，扮信教合理化。因為果五分，認為教會學校迫佢作假，原區抽獎又迫佢作假地址，唔通真係搬去果區。重點係人地錯晒佢對哂，佢弄虛作假絕對合理合情。主持問佢點教子女是非黑白.........

呢道都好在未到如此不堪......

作者: Ving 時間: 10-10-1 22:35

I start understand why so many parents would rather put their children in IS and later study overseas under this unfair and messy HK Education system. All things becoming black to white

作者: BBTWIN 時間: 10-10-1 22:36

原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-10-1 21:36 發表

咪係囉，呢期興顛倒是非黑白......

今朝港台"千禧年代"有個家長將填假地址，扮信教合理化。因為果五分，認為教會學校迫佢作假，原區抽獎又迫佢作假地址，唔通真係搬去果區。重點係人地錯晒佢對哂，佢弄虛作假絕對合理合情。主 ...

唔係麻, 甘都敢打上電台講?分分鐘刑事化

作者: DaddyX 時間: 10-10-1 22:54

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原帖由 BBTWIN 於 10-10-1 22:36 發表
唔係麻, 甘都敢打上電台講?分分鐘刑事化 .

咁先至激死，現今d人習非勝是........重好似理直氣壯...

是否刑事化我唔肯定?

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作者: Ving 時間: 10-10-1 23:31

All lucky draw, no need to argue, God to decide

No religion, relations, big/small boy, girl problems.

That's the most simple and fair game to everyone, no matter you are rich or poor

原帖由 DaddyX 於 10-10-1 22:54 發表

你咁唔順人地教會學校比多5分宗教分講"關系"
正如上高其他人講報官校咪得,你仲意的IS 又得,
你講的去外國又得
好多新界學校都無教會背景又得

同埋你講的只是收生程序其中的一部份
並不等如成個Education System
...

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作者: w_y 時間: 10-10-1 23:40

事情唔係咁簡單, 教育亦唔係工廠, 錯配可以造成好大傷害同社會成本. 唔係話而家制度無錯配, 但某程度家長都有自主權. 你試下真係全民大抽獎, 到時仲多人喊不公!

原帖由 Ving 於 10-10-1 23:31 發表
All lucky draw, no need to argue, God to decide

No religion, relations, big/small boy, girl problems.

That's the most simple and fair game to everyone, no matter you are rich or poor

作者: DaddyX 時間: 10-10-1 23:45

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作者: ANChan59 時間: 10-10-1 23:51

變成社會主義定共產主義????

作者: DaddyX 時間: 10-10-1 23:59

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作者: ANChan59 時間: 10-10-2 00:05

原帖由 DaddyX 於 10-10-1 23:59 發表

Terroism maybe
So terrible

Perfect answer..

作者: thomasha 時間: 10-10-2 00:06

政府o既收生制度要平衡學校/辦學團體同家長/學生o既利益，唔可以向晒一邊傾斜。

正如我o係另一篇文章所講，我贊成保留宗教分，因為教會o係學校發展上的確功不可沒；不過亦應有較完善o既標準，黎杜絕o個d為求入教會學校而入教o既家長，呢方面相信教會方面可以多做一d功夫，例如出具對家長信徒的評估報告，講到底教會應該最清楚o個d家長信徒事實上係咪有牢固o既信仰。

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作者: traeh 時間: 10-10-2 00:16

講得好

原帖由 DaddyX 於 10-10-1 23:45 發表
佢個純大抽獎有無校網?
如有得番呢個factor 淨取 D名校網睇怕升十倍唔只

如只大抽獎連校網取消埋仲公平
不過可能九成學童跨區
咁香港D塞車程度可能入健力士都得啦

所以話炳政府炳學校係好易
但到佢自已見議時又唔知有乜貢獻
...

作者: ANChan59 時間: 10-10-2 00:21 標題: 回覆 38# DaddyX 的文章

Church/school/EDB no need to change the rule because someone abused or manipulated the system.

We should condemn those parents......

作者: panbaby 時間: 10-10-2 00:32

我相信樓主是自己得基本分才吵的, 但我見有咁多人回 post解釋, 樓主都只自說自話, 要全民抽獎, 咁可唔可以想想人家的理據, 又想想教會的立場... 教會學校校長的收生權已比以前已少了很多, 政府已收了很多權.  OK, 你話不公平, 咁你試去CO-ED, 女拔, 看看有教會背景有沒有用?

政府的第二階段的方法(亦即你喜歡的大抽獎) 試想你口中最公平的全港任抽, 咁你估X沙, 聖瑪X, marynoll 會點?? 吊命的學校會點?? 咁退一步, 是不是就是分區?

又以考試為收生目標, 咁你覺得咁少個便要受考試洗禮, 來個升小試, 好嗎?  咁幼稚園會不會谷死細佬?  咁叫家長選, 要現在的還是要細佬考死好??

事實上, 我亦只有15分, 我好明白你的不滿, 但與其講什麼公平不公平的空話, 何不耫極一點, 好好考私小, 直資, 想想統一如何選校, 叩門如何準備啦, 這會不會對你的孩子更好??

作者: thomasha 時間: 10-10-2 00:35

For some people, it's easier and "more fashionable" to blame the government on every problem; they don't bother to find out what the core problem is and to which party the problem should be addressed to. As I said in another thread, "lazy parents seldom get any reward."

I do agree that power of assessment should rest in the church/school's hands, because different churches may have different structures and verification procedures may need to differ. The relevant criteria for entitlement of the 5 marks should be clearly stated in the individual school's web site or other public media to ensure transparency and fairness to all parents.

原帖由 DaddyX 於 10-10-2 00:15 發表

The church/school has now absolute power to give not give marks in round one when parents claim 宗教分. However, people keep blaming the wrong object - government.

Edb would very much like to remov ...

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作者: thomasha 時間: 10-10-2 00:46

I think the initiator of this thread (Ving?) should consider opting for IS --> overseas route or the direct overseas studies route if he/she is so disappointed at HK's education system or, more precisely, the P1 admission system.

The rules of the game are clearly set. Play it or leave it.

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作者: smartmatt 時間: 10-10-2 04:39 標題: cut funding to these schools

原帖由 DaddyX 於 10-10-2 00:15 發表

The church/school has now absolute power to give not give marks in round one when parents claim 宗教分. However, people keep blaming the wrong object - government.

Edb would very much like to remov ...

EDB should cut funding to schools which does not conform their requirements.  Very simple.  What is the official religion of HK?

If the Church wants to provide a religious education to their followers then these schools should be made to go private.  Why does tax payers have to pay small no. of kids for the special treatment. Parents wishing their kids attending gov schools to have a specific religious believe school can attend Sunday school, etc.  Religious education, Christianity, Muslim, etc.,  should be studied in Gov schools.

I agree with brothers and sisters attending the same school and not with the rest points system.  Every kid (including brothers and sisters) should have the chance to enter the school chosen by their parents. Current allocation does not align with current society's thinking.

The religious red herring issue has been around for so long and parents /kids baptising solely for purpose P school has also existed.  Surely, the Church would like to have TRUE believers and do away with this 5 points?!

As another has pointed out its all about getting your kid into a superior P school and not about religion. Its unfortunate that EDB does recognise that not all primary schools are equal and that there are some superior ones.  If the EDB did recognise superior P schools then they could try to replicate these schools and raise overall standards.

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作者: aiyah 時間: 10-10-2 07:55

Well said! Undeniably centuries long ago missionaries are the kind ones to initiate and systemize many schools set-up and we need to appreciate. But does that appreciation essential to be in the form of extra points for religious followers?

And when the missionaries first arrived in new spots centuries ago (not just HK), I believe they in-took kids who were deprived of education opportunities, not kids who showed inclination to specific religion. That is what education is about - exposing kids to knowledge, regardless of background. Centuries after but why couldn't churches keep such mission consistent, open to spread their religious messages even to non-religious students, but instead to make education (to elite schools be specific) a privilege for its religious follows?

For schools run by other religions such as Buddhism, I wonder if they ever ask from EBD for extra points for its followers? Or they keep their education mission just intact?

In my concept, school is a platform to receive education on broad knowledge including to understand different religions. The line between religions and education opportunities shouldn't be tied in strong.

I agree very much that churches that want their associated schools to relate education with religion should go Private. I have no figure about exactly monetary fundings that church schools receive from churches, but once they receive gov't fundings, they should act like other religious schools to place no extra points to believers. Yes as tax-players, we need to ensure our money allocated on a fair basis.

原帖由 smartmatt 於 10-10-2 04:39 發表

EDB should cut funding to schools which does not conform their requirements. Very simple. What is the official religion of HK?

If the Church wants to provide a religious education to their fo ...

作者: aiyah 時間: 10-10-2 07:58

Well said! Undeniably centuries long ago missionaries are the kind ones to initiate and systemize many schools set-up and we need to appreciate. But does that appreciation essential to be in the form of extra points for religious followers?

And when the missionaries first arrived in new spots centuries ago (not just HK), I believe they in-took kids who were deprived of education opportunities, not kids who showed inclination to specific religion. That is what education is about - exposing kids to knowledge, regardless of background. Centuries after but why couldn't churches keep such mission consistent, open to spread their religious messages even to non-religious students, but instead to make education (to elite schools be specific) a privilege for its religious follows?

For schools run by other religions such as Buddhism, I wonder if they ever ask from EBD for extra points for its followers? Or they keep their education mission just intact?

In my concept, school is a platform to receive education on broad knowledge including to understand different religions. The line between religions and education opportunities shouldn't be tied in strong.

I agree very much that churches that want their associated schools to relate education with religion should go Private. I have no figures on monetary fundings that church schools receive from churches, but once they receive any gov't fundings, ideally they should act like other religious schools to place no extra points to believers. Yes as tax-players, we need to ensure our money allocated on a fair basis.

原帖由 smartmatt 於 10-10-2 04:39 發表

EDB should cut funding to schools which does not conform their requirements. Very simple. What is the official religion of HK?

If the Church wants to provide a religious education to their fo ...

作者: DaddyX 時間: 10-10-2 08:10

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作者: aiyah 時間: 10-10-2 08:55

You put forward a realistic view but it's just sad to see such 角力 in religious and educational areas. If not a battle of views here, a battle of power/influence/control would always be somewhere.

原帖由 DaddyX 於 10-10-2 08:10 發表

無錯,會有好多人舉腳讚成
問題係你要講服教區放棄對呢5分的堅持
你做到edb會好多謝你

不過之前有香港區主教同edb角力開火威脅要停辦所有屬下教會學校,香港受得起呢個衝擊嗎

唔好講那5分是否應給/不應給
連根本有 ...

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作者: aiyah 時間: 10-10-2 09:34

By "sad" I mean I don't agree w religious bodies to be so heavily involved in struggling for "privileges" mainly. Personally, if church-related-schools are that keen of having that marks for followers, I would be generously pass them that 5 marks.

And thanks for your constructive views to summarize. As parents, I think we should feel grateful for the education opportunity our kids are given. We can see the black and white, we can judge, we can argue, and ultimately, we should have a sense of gratitude.

作者: BBTWIN 時間: 10-10-2 09:46

今早睇報紙真係火都黎, 有部份家長出公海受洗拿5分宗教分. 本來我都贊成有宗教分(我唔係教徒), 但因為呢一群假教徒無疑令我無宗教背景的人更加難入教會學校

作者: thomasha 時間: 10-10-2 09:46

唔通你俾電視台"加左分"，俾你先睹為快？哈哈

我都好想知，點解咁多投訴？係香港人淹尖，鍾意搵著數，定係政府定規矩時無sense，或者香港無良sales特別多？

多投訴好過無得投訴，只有發達國家先至會俾個安全o既環境俾人投訴，其他地方隨時石沉大海甚至被人拉。

原帖由 DaddyX 於 10-10-2 08:17 發表
大家不如睇下明日
星期日擋案:香港是世界第一投訴之都

可能會有所體會

作者: thomasha 時間: 10-10-2 09:56

我都係o個句，既然宗教分由學校決定俾唔俾，校方應該加強驗證，不過有邊個可以俾到學校壓力，要佢地做多d野？政府都怕左辦學團體反。

原帖由 BBTWIN 於 10-10-2 09:46 發表
今早睇報紙真係火都黎, 有部份家長出公海受洗拿5分宗教分. 本來我都贊成有宗教分(我唔係教徒), 但因為呢一群假教徒無疑令我無宗教背景的人更加難入教會學校 :badf ...

作者: ANChan59 時間: 10-10-2 10:28

If the throughputs from the religionous schools are bad, the story can be totally different. 劣幣驅逐良幣 .......... May be another calssic example after mother language instruction ......lower the standard of educational system in HK.......

Some parents' wrong doing, here don't condemn them...... but condemn the churches and schools......Interesting HK parents.....

作者: TMMA 時間: 10-10-2 10:52

原帖由 BookloverJ 於 10-10-2 01:36 發表

咁搞法咪好恐怖, 隨時我住九龍, 一個唔好彩既話可能,一個仔抽到去沙頭角, 第二個女抽到去香港仔, 到時真係天下大亂, 民怨沸騰, 暴動都似, 其實你有無諗清楚先講架? ...

千其唔好，我兩個小朋友，only送返接放，我都會...

作者: DaddyX 時間: 10-10-2 10:59

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作者: thomasha 時間: 10-10-2 11:06

就算政府真係白痴，都唔可以狗屎垃圾都賴佢地，冤有頭債有主。o個d連責任誰屬都搞唔清楚o既人，根本就連個制度係點都一知半解，真係吹脹。

原帖由 DaddyX 於 10-10-2 10:59 發表

你咁講無用架
D人係都要話係政府白痴呀
成個教育制度混亂呀咁架

作者: ANChan59 時間: 10-10-2 11:10

由政治正確及意識形態爭論後，回歸實際操作。

我孩子出生後約談6-7個月，在教會參加"嬰兒奉獻禮"，目的是父母在會眾面前承諾願意按聖經教誨，教育子女，牧師作祝福然後簽發"嬰兒奉獻禮"證書。到報小學時，再由主任牧師寫推薦信"核實"父母為基督徒或者同一宗派(按申請學校要求)。可能學校都知道有部份家長弄虛作假，部份只承認自己宗派及要牧師核實。

對天主教及其他宗教程序不了解，希望其他家長補充。

作者: DaddyX 時間: 10-10-2 11:12

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作者: ANChan59 時間: 10-10-2 11:20

原帖由 DaddyX 於 10-10-2 11:12 發表
同意,聽太多人投訴D學校同教會點點點
但又唔理人地D學校付出左幾多
其實同樓主一樣想法成日就呢個分配學位宗教分
不停炮轟政府的真係不計其數
但其實政府可能之前己經幫他們爭取左也未定
否則可能不是5分而是15分 ...

Even schools with religious background turn private and the queue also very long, think about DGS, DBS, LS, SPCC......

Even get max scores also many times more than the vacancies, 10, 15 score, just forget it. no need to apply.

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作者: ANChan59 時間: 10-10-2 11:32 標題: 回覆 63# DaddyX 的文章

In most forum, parents responses are emotional and impulsive, miss an important part to verify the factual information, like how different religions handle the 5 scores....... even without religious scores, the number of applicants >>>> vacancies. if you don't have any proper connection with the school, the chance is slim.

Look at DBSPD, over-subscribed 16+ times. My friend is old boys from DBS, he and his son also need dog fight to compete for a seat...... From 2011 onward, DBSPD only considers the old boys score in 2nd interview, but it's tough for them to be shortlisted in 2nd interview.

作者: ANChan59 時間: 10-10-2 11:34 標題: 回覆 63# DaddyX 的文章

In York's case, we should blame the headteacher and not just the parents.

Her ethical value as an educator........

作者: thomasha 時間: 10-10-2 12:00

The lack of transparency of schools' requirements and verification procedures in awarding the 5 marks gave the headteacher a chance to take advantage of parents with ulterior motives.

Theoretically, if schools can implement more stringent verification procedures, fake believers can be largely eliminated. I think the extra effort is worthwhile in ensuring true believers are taken and saving future trouble.

原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-10-2 11:34 發表
In York's case, we should blame the headteacher and not just the parents.

Her ethical value as an educator........

作者: ANChan59 時間: 10-10-2 12:07

原帖由 thomasha 於 10-10-2 12:00 發表
The lack of transparency of schools' requirements and verification procedures in awarding the 5 marks gave the headteacher a chance to take advantage of parents with ulterior motives.

Theoretically ...

Be honest, I think most schools verify the certificate, esp hot schools.

作者: mattsmum 時間: 10-10-2 12:08 標題: 回覆 1# ANChan59 的文章

is the verification process carried out by school (maybe DSS) or by central allocation office ( for most non-DSS schools)?

作者: DaddyX 時間: 10-10-2 12:44

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作者: edf 時間: 10-10-2 13:27

[其實這個制度都幾合理，就是教徒可讀教會學校，學校和家長有相同的教學理念，之不過有太多非信徒想讀教會名校，但又爭扎不想做教徒，才是問題所在。quote]原帖由 Ving 於 10-10-1 13:12 發表

If my children cannot enter good P1 school due to he is inferior to others in (Language, Music, EQ, Politeness), then I have nothing to say and accept.

But if due to religion + Parent relations, (e.g ... [/quote]

作者: nicolemummy 時間: 10-10-2 13:37

一語中的! 佩服!

原帖由 edf 於 10-10-2 13:27 發表
其實這個制度都幾合理，就是教徒可讀教會學校，學校和家長有相同的教學理念，之不過有太多非信徒想讀教會名校，但又掙扎不想做教徒，才是問題所在

作者: thomasha 時間: 10-10-2 13:47

I think verification of the certificate itself is not sufficient, especially when some parents are trying so hard to get one. There must be more to prove they are true believers.

原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-10-2 12:07 發表

Be honest, I think most schools verify the certificate, esp hot schools.

作者: ANChan59 時間: 10-10-2 13:51

原帖由 mattsmum 於 10-10-2 12:08 發表
is the verification process carried out by school (maybe DSS) or by central allocation office ( for most non-DSS schools)?

My son's Primary school was not DSS, the admission officer reviewed that according to their guideline. Certificate + recommendation letter from the church. The 5 pt only subject to self selection procedure, not lucky draw.

作者: ANChan59 時間: 10-10-2 13:52

原帖由 thomasha 於 10-10-2 13:47 發表
I think verification of the certificate itself is not sufficient, especially when some parents are trying so hard to get one. There must be more to prove they are true believers.

Sorry, only God can judge who is the true believers.

作者: littlefaith 時間: 10-10-2 14:07

原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-10-2 13:52 發表

Sorry, only God can judge who is the true believers.

Agree. Actually it is not sufficient to prove whether one is true believer or not only by how many years he has become Christian. :D

作者: mattsmum 時間: 10-10-2 14:37 標題: 回覆 7# DaddyX 的文章

Thank you,

Would there be anyone trying to complaint that there is discrimination?

作者: Anpanmama 時間: 10-10-2 14:46

原帖由 fatherfather 於 10-10-1 19:27 發表
可以修定，初信不計分，要起碼３至４年才計算

或者，係取消有關計算。

可免有關幼稚園發家長財，真係不知所謂。。
一個字，個校長貪婪。

佢已經犯了十誡之一，不可貪婪 ...

5歲幾人仔邊得嚟有3-4年嘅入教年資呀？即係一出世入教先計分係咪？

作者: ANChan59 時間: 10-10-2 14:59

原帖由 mattsmum 於 10-10-2 14:37 發表
Would there be anyone trying to complaint that there is discrimination?

Another diaster after boys and girls discrimination. More and more girls in Band 1 schools and more and more girls in universities.......

Just use discrimination to ignore the difference of the development of boys and girls.

Church school provides better education because of the faith, value, commitment and love etc and not just simply focus on academic.

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作者: Anpanmama 時間: 10-10-2 15:06

尋日睇過一篇報導, 係一啲宗教人士, 都覺得果5分係無必要存在。
佢話情願多啲非教徒就讀, 佢地可以傳道同令更多人信主, 呢啲先係教會辨學嘅原意。我非常贊成。
我由幼稚園到中學都係教會學校, 但選擇唔入教, 非我不信主, 而是不服氣, 學校對教徒那種偏坦。

作者: thomasha 時間: 10-10-2 15:34

True.  That's why an assessment by the church the parent belongs to (not just the school) is advisable. Not only can the parent's date and validity of baptism can be certified, but also his/her involvement in the church and its activities which are more objective indication of the parent's religious belief.

I guess I should not have used the term "true believers" because it is a spiritual thing; I would replace it with "believers who truly carry and implement beliefs of the church the parent belongs to".

It's meaningless to count the child's religious belief. Everyone knows it is somewhat imposed or influenced by the parent(s).

原帖由 littlefaith 於 10-10-2 14:07 發表

Agree. Actually it is not sufficient to prove whether one is true believer or not only by how many years he has become Christian. :D

作者: thomasha 時間: 10-10-2 15:37

I am not sure what type of "preference" your school inclined towards believers. In my primary school, I did not see any noticeable preference.

原帖由 Anpanmama 於 10-10-2 15:06 發表
尋日睇過一篇報導, 係一啲宗教人士, 都覺得果5分係無必要存在。
佢話情願多啲非教徒就讀, 佢地可以傳道同令更多人信主, 呢啲先係教會辨學嘅原意。我非常贊成。
我由幼稚園到中學都係教會學校, 但選擇唔入教, 非我不 ...

作者: ANChan59 時間: 10-10-2 18:03 標題: 回覆 80# Anpanmama 的文章

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