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標題: 入拔萃之路 [打印本頁]

作者: GAT    時間: 10-12-28 15:47     標題: 入拔萃之路

恭喜各位已成功考入男拔或女拔的家長.

相信入拔萃都是很多幼兒家長的目標,各位成功入拔萃的家長可否在此分享你們努力的過程,与及裁培小朋友的方法.

其中特別就以下問題請指教:

1. 强化英語是否基本條件?

2. 你們是否都讓子女參加很多學習班/興趣班,以及參加各種比賽獲獎?

3. 是否雖具一技之長如突出的體育,音樂或藝術成就 (雖然只是K3).

4. 是否一定就讀有名氣的幼稚園?

5. 個人品格方面有什麽要求? 子女要很有自信及醒目型嗎? 還是學校想收不同種類的人材?

6. 幼稚園校內成績又是否很重要?

感謝分享!
作者: kellyjason    時間: 10-12-28 17:24

1. 强化英語是否基本條件?
Yes (but DGJS interview was conducted in Cantoness)

2. 你們是否都讓子女參加很多學習班/興趣班,以及參加各種比賽獲獎?
Yes, "The School continues to stress the importance of an all-round and balanced education for our girls through a comprehensive formal curriculum and an extensive range of informal school functions and activities, to ensure that the Multiple Intelligences of our girls can be fully and individually developed" (copied from DGJS website)

3. 是否雖具一技之長如突出的體育,音樂或藝術成就 (雖然只是K3).
Yes

4. 是否一定就讀有名氣的幼稚園?
Yes, my case is

5. 個人品格方面有什麽要求? 子女要很有自信及醒目型嗎? 還是學校想收不同種類的人材?
Yes, smart, confident & heart to win

6. 幼稚園校內成績又是否很重要?
Yes, Mrs Dai read the academic report and portfolio very carefully in 2nd int

[ 本帖最後由 kellyjason 於 10-12-28 17:27 編輯 ]
作者: kochiman2004    時間: 10-12-28 17:34

個人失敗經驗 :

可能係真正失敗原因:無論你子女幾咁醒, 囉幾多獎, 校內成績幾多 "A", 幾好記性, 幾presentable, 如果子女身體有長期疾病, 例如先天性心臓病等 ...一定唔可以坦白同學校講, 小女在 2nd int 坦白講自己有先天性心臓病, 己知很大機會 failure.

[ 本帖最後由 kochiman2004 於 10-12-28 17:46 編輯 ]
作者: Rinana    時間: 10-12-28 19:19

Don't be so sad!  I am sure there will be a better choice for your girl.  Good luck!  See PM
作者: youma    時間: 10-12-28 19:53

原帖由 GAT 於 10-12-28 15:47 發表
恭喜各位已成功考入男拔或女拔的家長.

相信入拔萃都是很多幼兒家長的目標,各位成功入拔萃的家長可否在此分享你們努力的過程,与及裁培小朋友的方法.

其中特別就以下問題請指教:

1. 强化英語是否基本條件?

2. 你們是否都讓子女參加很多學習班/興趣班,以及參加各種比賽獲獎?

3. 是否雖具一技之長如突出的體育,音樂或藝術成就 (雖然只是K3).

4. 是否一定就讀有名氣的幼稚園?

5. 個人品格方面有什麽要求? 子女要很有自信及醒目型嗎? 還是學校想收不同種類的人材?

6. 幼稚園校內成績又是否很重要?

感謝分享!


都重要. 但最重要的還是[家庭背景].

作者: Rinana    時間: 10-12-28 19:56

100% agree
作者: cherrieshum    時間: 10-12-28 21:24

家庭背景相信最重要。
作者: crycrybaby666    時間: 10-12-28 21:37

可能有錢的家庭, 可以負擔昂貴的課外活動, 所以脫穎而出的都是這一群的小朋友, 咁樣會有錯覺學校揀有家庭背景, 出身好的小朋友???
作者: 戀仔狂    時間: 10-12-28 22:06

原帖由 cherrieshum 於 10-12-28 21:24 發表
家庭背景相信最重要。




其他既我唔知, 但DBSPD就唔係
作者: VKwan    時間: 10-12-28 22:49

原帖由 kochiman2004 於 10-12-28 17:34 發表
個人失敗經驗 :

可能係真正失敗原因:無論你子女幾咁醒, 囉幾多獎, 校內成績幾多 "A", 幾好記性, 幾presentable, 如果子女身體有長期疾病, 例如先天性心臓病等 ...一定唔可以坦白同學校講, 小女在 2nd int 坦白講自 ...
Sorry to hear that......
作者: edea    時間: 10-12-28 22:57

原帖由 kochiman2004 於 10-12-28 17:34 發表
個人失敗經驗 :

可能係真正失敗原因:無論你子女幾咁醒, 囉幾多獎, 校內成績幾多 "A", 幾好記性, 幾presentable, 如果子女身體有長期疾病, 例如先天性心臓病等 ...一定唔可以坦白同學校講, 小女在 2nd int 坦白講自 ...


咁呢間學校入唔到都罷就啦. 冇損失.
作者: 小天使kiki    時間: 10-12-28 23:10

男拔真係唔係睇背景,因我姪仔都讀緊
作者: youma    時間: 10-12-28 23:19

原帖由 戀仔狂 於 10-12-28 22:06 發表




其他既我唔知, 但DBSPD就唔係


正是DBSPD收學生大多數是來自中產或以上的家庭!
連DBS老師都咁講, 無得抵賴!
收生時有冇看家庭背景, 大家心照 啦.

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回應名校女生﹕我的老師男拔今日只有富貴餐
(明報)2010年12月26日 星期日 05:05
【明報專訊】名校和屋村中學我也讀過,中一至中五,我在一間屋村中學念書,會考後以理科二十九分的成績轉到拔萃男書院    讀預科。名校教育不是優質的保證,名校學生也不全是天賦異稟、優秀出眾,正如英國    讀中學的不少精英,連在機場過聖誕也熬不住,證明溫室中長大的小花,完全經不起大風雪的考驗,但我慶幸兩種學校都讀過,見識兩者的分別。

會考放榜    轉校那一天,也是我第一次來到男拔萃,原來市區也有這麼大的校園,長長的馬路沒有盡頭。副校長Mark Rosario告訴我﹕「你想讀純數組,但你的附加數學沒有A(我考B03),你只可以去生物組了,你讀不讀?」

「讀!生物組也讀。」心想﹕反正我也不想做工程師,不讀純數也沒有關係。當年生物班還有另一名陳姓同學插班,但陳同學大概不習慣由頭適應新環境,不到一個月便轉回到他的母校讀預科,我們也沒有繼續聯絡了。據知,陳同學高級會考成績也相當優秀,成功升讀港大醫學院。

論教育質素,拔萃跟屋村學校並沒有大分別,兩間學校都有好老師及成績優秀的學生,但學生對學校的歸屬感和投入有天淵之別了。在男拔萃,每逢早會大聲唱校歌也不用害羞,因為旁邊的同學往往比你更大聲。

回顧十年 學生階層背景單一

當年的拔萃照顧草根階層,窮學生可以在校內享用廉價午餐,同學也沒有階級觀念,大家可以打成一片,他們的知識和視野也很廣,從他們身上學到很多東西,而我人生第一次坐Benz也是在男拔萃的日子,有同學的親戚駕Benz來接他放學,幾個同學一併坐順風車離開。

我沒有再坐過Benz了。到今天,我仍記得後座的沙發是什麼顏色。

幾天前,我以記者的身分重返校園,訪問當年預科的班主任程張迎老師。教中文的程sir在拔萃任教超過二十六年,看著拔萃轉變為直資中學。已有很多名校的畢業生投稿談母校,不如換一換資深老師的角度,談談各種關於「名校」的問題,以及直資的影響。

莊﹕回顧過去十年,拔萃的學生有什麼變化?

程﹕拔萃於03年9月轉了直資後,學生無論在學習、處事、音樂、體育、課外活動方面的優秀表現都沒有改變,與其他學校比較仍是很優越。學生的家庭經濟背景(social economic status)與過往有明顯分別了。我沒有客觀的統計數字,但據我的觀察,學生的家庭背景較過往富裕,而這個趨勢是會維持下去。

因為拔萃中學和小學行一條龍制度,中學的大部分學位都被小學畢業生填了,公開派位的影響不及以往大。能夠進入拔萃小學的學生多是中產或以上的家庭,這類家庭是會積極為孩子爭取的。

直接進入拔萃中學有點困難了,理論上每一級有六班,每班四十人,每年總共收240人,但有150個位要給拔萃小學畢業生,剩下數十個位讓其他人讀。即使如此,我仍看不到有其他社經背景的學生,大多數學生仍是來自中產或以上的家庭。

莊﹕這觀察是怎樣得出來?是否多了人駕車接載兒子上學,馬路塞車情况較我讀的時候更嚴重?

程﹕也是。現在上學的交通相當擠塞!

莊﹕還有沒有其他觀察?是否學生的行為較轉直資前不同?

程﹕我也很想了解,究竟全校有多少家境清貧的學生,需要申請學費減免?我不用知道是誰申請,只想知道數字,但我一直得不到答案,印象中我也沒有處理多少申請。

莊﹕你有沒有正式問校長?

程﹕我沒有正式去找答案,但看來身邊的同事都不知道答案,其實校方有需要讓教師們知道,讓教師了解學生的背景很自然的事。

莊﹕如果有類似我這種家境極普通的學生,拿張會考證書來考拔萃,現在是否仍有機會獲取錄?

程﹕仍然有機會的,每年都有一個半個外校生拿會考證書來插班,但這只是一個半個,數目絕少,沒法改變學生階層集中的情况。這跟以往七、八、九十年代,學生家庭經濟背景分散的情况很不同,難怪一般人會覺得,讀名校的教育機會被中產壟斷。

特別是小一的收生,除了看學生的資質,家庭因素也很重要,較富裕的家庭會培養子女學各種技能、上「面試雞精班」、甚至以家長本身的人脈補救,這些都會增加入學機會,縱使基層家庭的子弟有潛質,但在這些方面比較便會輸蝕。

我希望學校可以把資料攤出來,究竟頒了獎學金給多少相對貧窮的學生?比例是多少?有資料才可以令公眾信服,拔萃這類直資學校仍是以有教無類的態度和原則辦學。

拔萃優秀的學生不比以往少,但讀書的心態和待人接物的態度,這十年八載也有很大轉變,也可能受到社會風氣改變的影響。

這一代更功利

莊﹕例如有什麼轉變呢?

程﹕現在的學生行為舉止態度顯得有點傲慢無禮,少了一份尊師重道,人際相處的能力也較弱、情緒化、自我中心和任性。犯了事後,他們不是先自我檢討,往往用對抗的態度對待老師。當然男校學生是頑皮一點,但你那一代的學生是較少任意妄為,總有些基本的紀律。

例如,有學生在走廊忽然用書拍另一個學生的頭,兩人打起架來,類似這種無聊的事件也時有發生。早一兩年很多學生遺失手提電話,校內很多失竊,有些學生甚至自己報警,校方也不知道,會有警察走上來問學校,哪個學生報案?這些東西也曾發生。

這可能是整個社會的現象,其他學校同樣發生,但我覺得頗深刻是現在的學生較你那一代更功利,我不敢說他們沒有理想,或可能因他們有相當好的家庭,家長已為他們安排前路了。

但我不覺得現在的學生希望在更高的層次貢獻社會,實踐自己的理想和抱負,他們較關心考試的形式和如何取分數,他們問也是這些問題。

莊﹕這與直資有沒有關係?是否太精英的教育環境,助長了這些性格?

程﹕如果不是直資,仍像喇沙以公開派位收學生,我相信學生的階層背景會更加多元化,不同階層學生的互相適應、學習、觀察和交流,會有些良好的效應。若果來自四方八面的band one學生都可以來,而不是十一、二年都是同一班人,互動是否可以更明顯呢?

莊﹕自從直資制度出現後,不少名校也轉了直資,你覺得直資制度有沒有影響社對名校這個標籤的觀感?是否令名校貴族化了?

程﹕以前大家以學生是否優秀界定名校,覺得名校是「叻」的地方,有各種不同長處的學生,也是多元的地方,只要你有專長便可以考入來。但現在名校除了「叻」之外,給人的感覺是,特別是那三幾間轉了直資的傳統名校,明顯地學生都來自中產或以上的階層

直資學校收的學費,有如讓你在常餐以外「加餸食飯」,在政府的資助以外,家長要再付學費。以往你沒有錢「加餸」,也可以進餐廳吃常餐,但現在的情况是有能力「加餸」的人才可以入餐廳,「吃常餐的唔該過隔離」。

這些學校是應該考慮,怎樣扭轉這個印象,不要令人覺得直資學校是為某個階層服務,因為教育的機會應該平等。

莊﹕還記得當年剛轉來讀,最震撼是唱校歌的氣勢,在屋村中學就沒有了。轉了直資後,傳統目前仍有多大的影響力?

程﹕學生對傳統的歸屬感(sense of heritage)仍然很強,這裏的預科生,可以用一周時間,親自為陸運會做一條十幾米長的橫額打氣,他們相當投入學校活動。

他們有自信、接觸不同東西的機會多、處事解難能力好些、自我形象極高。學生的使命感仍然很強,為了延續運動王國、音樂方面的出式表現,對傳統的承傳、繼往開來的態度仍然有。

名校•社會資本•抱負

莊﹕最近《星期日生活》副刊都有不少文章談及讀名校是怎樣一回事,身為名校的資深教師,你覺得讀名校是否有必要?

程﹕我只教過一年地區學校,我大半生人都在名校度過。名校的學生是較複雜,名校可以給學生信心,讓他們覺得與眾不同,你是拔萃、喇沙、皇仁、女拔……名校有自己的傳統風氣,要建立名校品牌一點也不容易。

其實很多學校也相當不錯,只是傳媒的焦點老是放在傳統名校。學校之間的差異是否如此大?我覺得未必的。很多屋村學校給學生很多發展空間,培養學生成材。我最討厭傳媒過分吹噓,花幾百萬、幾千萬買名校區的單位,增加子女進名校的機會,考不入便慘如哭喪,這些新聞很無聊。

入不到名校不是世界末日、不是失去教育機會,這些風氣是絕不值得鼓吹,這對其他學校不公平。家長是應該考慮,什麼學校適合自己的子女,不是一味盲目追求入名校,以為入到名校便「一天都光晒」,以及管教得太過分、照顧得太過分。

莊﹕兩種學校我也讀過。名校與一般學校的教育質素未必有大分別,但從實用的角度看,我的拔萃中學同學,現在都是專業人士了,有醫生、律師、各種師,現在便發現讀名校真的很有用。

程﹕你說了很重要的一點。這些學校的學生,出來社會後在不同的範疇各領風騷、獨當一面,形成很強的聯繫,這些是很強大的社會資本(Social Capital),你畢業後打個電話、找個同學便可以解決很多問題,得到很多的資訊、照應和支援。這些無形強勢的特點,也令一些家庭著迷,希望子女躋身這些學校。

名校令你有些特別的經驗,繼續傳統的使命,自由多元的發展空間,令學生畢業後也會珍惜,畢業後同學有較強的互相支援,這正正是這些學校的優點。

莊﹕名校的教師跟其他學校的教師,有什麼不同的挑戰?

程﹕這裏的老師要懂得適應,你要明白學生的性格,然後因勢利導,引領他們發展,容志高老師做得很好。拔萃學生的課業和資質已十分優越,但他們仍是小孩子,我們身為教師要小心,我們能否教他們有更崇高的方向和目標?我們希望令他們發揮所長,更好地貢獻社會,而不是只出產一班功利的成功人士。

問 莊曉陽

香港記者協會總幹事,1998年於男拔萃預科畢業

答 程張迎

中文科老師,在男拔萃任教超過26年

文 莊曉陽

圖 陳淑安

編輯 蔡曉彤

[ 本帖最後由 youma 於 10-12-28 23:20 編輯 ]
作者: kellyjason    時間: 10-12-28 23:21

DGJS does not consider family background too much I think as we come from ordinary family.
作者: kellyjason    時間: 10-12-28 23:24

DGJS does not consider family background too much I think as we come from ordinary family.
作者: GAT    時間: 10-12-28 23:26

For those parents who succeeded, do you really believe the saying that family background is the most important?

For DGS, an old girl told me that even some of the old girls' daughter cannot get in.

Apart from family background that we cannot change, is there any others things that we could work on to get the child prepared? Are those already mentioned in my questions?
作者: 戀仔狂    時間: 10-12-28 23:29

原帖由 youma 於 10-12-28 23:19 發表


正是DBSPD收學生大多數是來自中產或以上的家庭!
連DBS老師都咁講, 無得抵賴!
收生時有冇看家庭背景, 大家心照 啦.

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咁我仔絶對係小數o個個啦!
作者: Sevendwarfs    時間: 10-12-29 00:01

說真的﹐不只是DBS / DGS / SPCC這些最top的學校﹐我相信大部分其他直資和私校的學生﹐都是來至中產或以上的家庭﹐請問這有甚麼稀奇﹖為甚麼要說成好像是一個非常負面的現象﹖須知讀直資和私校是要交學費的﹐難道一些生活貧困或入不敷支的家庭會把直資和私校作為替子女選讀學校的首選嗎﹖(對不起﹐絕對無歧視成份﹐只是想道出一個正常的社會現象﹐ 請見諒。)



原帖由 youma 於 10-12-28 23:19 發表


正是DBSPD收學生大多數是來自中產或以上的家庭!
連DBS老師都咁講, 無得抵賴!
收生時有冇看家庭背景, 大家心照 啦.

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回應名校女生﹕我的老師http://adex.ba ...

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作者: youma    時間: 10-12-29 00:31

原帖由 Sevendwarfs 於 10-12-29 00:01 發表
說真的﹐不只是DBS / DGS / SPCC這些最top的學校﹐我相信大部分其他直資和私校的學生﹐都是來至中產或以上的家庭﹐請問這有甚麼稀奇﹖為甚麼要說成好像是一個非常負面的現象﹖須知讀直資和私校是要交學費的﹐難道一些生活貧困或入 ...


誰說是稀奇和負面? 直情是天經地義!
如果我是校長, 都喜歡家境好一點的孩子, 就算選錯了低資學生, 家長也有能力拿多些資源出來.
作者: youma    時間: 10-12-29 00:38

原帖由 戀仔狂 於 10-12-28 23:29 發表



咁我仔絶對係小數o個個啦!

原帖由 kellyjason 於 10-12-28 23:24 發表
DGJS does not consider family background too much I think as we come from ordinary family.


個個都話自己係普通家庭架啦!
邊個會
自己唔係普通家庭架?
郭鶴x都話自己係普通人嚟!



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作者: 戀仔狂    時間: 10-12-29 01:17

原帖由 youma 於 10-12-29 00:38 發表




個個都話自己係普通家庭架啦!
邊個會話自己唔係普通家庭架?
郭鶴x都話自己係普通人嚟架!




其實我以前都好似你咁諗架, 我叫仔去考男拔都係抱住見識既心態, 諗住都叫行過入名校, 到入左2nd in o個陣我都係諗住陪跑, 到收到信話收左o個一刻真係呆左......
或者你會覺得我扮冇錢, 因為你唔認識我, 之前有人知我仔考男拔o個陣都比人笑過我, 不過我仔夠好運啦, 又或者校長睇唔清楚我個住址同學校啦......
咁坦白講我又真係唔係普通家庭黎既, 因為2nd in既時候阿爸係我, 阿媽又係我 真係好彩校長冇歧視我!!
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-12-29 01:48

原帖由 戀仔狂 於 10-12-28 23:29 發表

咁我仔絶對係小數o個個啦!


I know some of them also come from grassroot families.
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-12-29 01:52

原帖由 youma 於 10-12-28 23:19 發表


正是DBSPD收學生大多數是來自中產或以上的家庭!
連DBS老師都咁講, 無得抵賴!
收生時有冇看家庭背景, 大家心照 啦.


I read the article carefully, Mr. Ching (the teacher) said only by his gut feeling without any data and evidence.

Am I correct?

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作者: ysnmama    時間: 10-12-29 09:24

以我認識的朋友, 孩子在讀或將讀男女拔. 他們的背景是:

女拔的 : 家景是比較好. 父母專業, 住的是600萬以上的居所. 孩子各方面實力成績, 真的比較優越及出色. 我也認為要選她們.

男拔的 : 一般家庭. 住300萬左右或以下的居所. 孩子實力成績, 不夠我知道的女拔孩子強.

他們只是我所見的. 亦不是很多, 所以不是代表全部學生. 大家可以作參考. 如有開罪, 請見諒. 因為其實很難以居所價格去衡量家庭背景及作標準. 只是如果以住址計及我所知的. 跟大家分享.
作者: afhjl    時間: 10-12-29 09:57

原帖由 youma 於 10-12-28 19:53 發表


都重要. 但最重要的還是[家庭背景].


絕對同意.
我小孩就是樣樣有齊(音樂/運動/藝術獎項, 流利英語, 校內成績維持兩年三甲內), 就是欠名校和家庭背景.

窮人不能教出文武全材的小孩嗎? 我們還不是遭白眼!
作者: GAT    時間: 10-12-29 10:16     標題: 回覆 1# afhjl 的文章

So you are applying for DBS or DGPS?
作者: chingchingb.ma    時間: 10-12-29 10:26     標題: 回復 2# afhjl 的帖子

咁又唔好咁諗,我都識得有齊(音樂/運動/藝術獎項, 流利英語, 校內成績絕好),加上名校(最熱門多人入DGJS嗰間)及很好家庭背景,最後都入唔到。
作者: afhjl    時間: 10-12-29 10:37     標題: 回復 27# chingchingb.ma 的帖子

你係話"最後"入唔到嘛?

我們1st round 早已出局喇, 唔止一間tim

唔好咁諗, 應該可以點諗呢? 小孩已經做到盡喇.

玩法此終都無變.
作者: traeh    時間: 10-12-29 11:00

好肯定名校個名唔係咁重要,小朋友面試表現至係關鍵。會唔會你小朋友真係樣樣叻,但比較內斂或怕羞,答問題唔夠積極,唔會再主動講多兩句,所以先失手?如果係咁,你小朋友可能更適合考小二插班,用成績爭取學位。

原帖由 afhjl 於 10-12-29 09:57 發表
絕對同意.
我小孩就是樣樣有齊(音樂/運動/藝術獎項, 流利英語, 校內成績維持兩年三甲內), 就是欠名校和家庭背景.

窮人不能教出文武全材的小孩嗎? 我們還不是遭白眼! ...

作者: afhjl    時間: 10-12-29 11:21     標題: 回復 29# traeh 的帖子

唔知點解一公開咁講名校唔楝無家底嘅考生, 全世界都在回避呢.

既然傾開 - 我小孩很主動, 唔怕羞(接近唔知羞), 很受同學老師校長愛戴, 也經常代表學校出外比賽及表演.

我們不是冇offer, 衹強調一線名校唔show之嘛
作者: SmallTungmama    時間: 10-12-29 11:32     標題: 回復 28# afhjl 的帖子

我會這樣去分析, 如果不止一間學校在第一round 時已出局(相信閣下不只申請一, 二所名校), 閣下是否要再檢討一下小孩子還有甚麼地方可以改善, 如果認為只是家境的因數, 這樣未免浪費了孩子的努力.
作者: traeh    時間: 10-12-29 11:48

咁不如你define一下,點至叫有家底?月入二萬至二十萬,都有人叫中產,所以如果有定義,好難討論喎。

原帖由 afhjl 於 10-12-29 11:21 發表
唔知點解一公開咁講名校唔楝無家底嘅考生, 全世界都在回避呢.

既然傾開 - 我小孩很主動, 唔怕羞(接近唔知羞), 很受同學老師校長愛戴, 也經常代表學校出外比賽及表演.

我們不是冇offer, 衹強調一線名校唔show之嘛 ...

作者: afhjl    時間: 10-12-29 11:57     標題: 回復 31# SmallTungmama 的帖子

不如這樣說: 我們所報的所有非一線的小學都有offer

我的結論: 家庭背景, 就讀的幼稚園
作者: 小曳人    時間: 10-12-29 11:59

我聽過有人講, 某名校會將"家底"分類, 每種都會收d,
如果"草根"只係其中一個分類, 咁自然响各類專業人士分類下.. 會成為小眾
作者: afhjl    時間: 10-12-29 12:03     標題: 引用 32# traeh 的文章

果然觸動到一些有家底人士的神經線
作者: ac119    時間: 10-12-29 12:05     標題: 回復 25# afhjl 的帖子

我認為家底真的不是校長看重的地方,主要係看小朋友是否適合讀她的學校.我暫時看見入到的女孩都似乎同一類型.面試當日的表現太重要了,當然她亦要有過人的長處.

我小女平日好活潑,好動,讀書當然是爸母心中的叻女.但亦有不是名校及非常普通的私小學唔收佢,直情係reject. 一見到心都涼,本來以為給個女多一些機會練習面試咋,我還以為自己的小朋友都相當不錯.

我不是有家底的人,但如果話個小朋友只係因為家中有錢學校才優先考慮,我們又好像小看了小朋友的努力.

今次考小一,不只是囡囡,對我也是一個難忘的人生經驗,父母多努力,也真的完全控制不了,心情起伏,可憐我們父母及小朋友.
作者: *star*    時間: 10-12-29 12:08

其實family background 包括什麼?報得呢幾間的家庭一般都係中產(因為要俾學費).如果一味強調背景會誤導d家長,抹剎家長同小朋友的努力。
作者: afhjl    時間: 10-12-29 12:14

原帖由 ac119 於 10-12-29 12:05 發表
我認為家底真的不是校長看重的地方,主要係看小朋友是否適合讀她的學校.我暫時看見入到的女孩都似乎同一類型.面試當日的表現太重要了,當然她亦要有過人的長處.

我小女平日好活潑,好動,讀書當然是爸母心中的叻女.但亦 ...


很同意考小一是一個難忘的經驗, 並無奈於大家心照的遊戲規則
作者: miffy    時間: 10-12-29 12:27

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作者: share123    時間: 10-12-29 12:27

甘如果有小朋友除左最top既DG/DB/SPCC之外,其餘有好多offer,又有攞獎,成績表又top,甘呢d人系呢2,3間學校輸咩?
作者: afhjl    時間: 10-12-29 12:33

原帖由 share123 於 10-12-29 12:27 發表
甘如果有小朋友除左最top既DG/DB/SPCC之外,其餘有好多offer,又有攞獎,成績表又top,甘呢d人系呢2,3間學校輸咩?


我真係好想知呀! 除左我提過嘅家庭背景和就讀的幼稚園之外
作者: Rinana    時間: 10-12-29 12:33

I am so lucky that my daughter got a rejection letter from this "NOBLE" school, DGJS.  My girl has lot of speech and music awards, certs, plays several sports, very outspoken, studying at a famous kinder.  I think the key for rejection attributes to our family background (we are not wealthy enough).  We are coming from middle income group, both my husband and myself are professionals (not doctors or lawyers).  

After hearing more and more gossips about the school. I defintiely won't let my young girl go for interview in the coming year.    Afterall, it's all depending what's your expectation on your child.  


作者: traeh    時間: 10-12-29 12:38

我自問無家底,係低層要受氣又做餐死嘅打工仔,希望你唔係話我啦。事實上,你亦無觸動我神經線,大家真係想討論吓,點先叫有家底?咁又係咪要有起碼呢個家庭資產,學校至覺得小朋友適合入讀啫。

原帖由 afhjl 於 10-12-29 12:03 發表
果然觸動到一些有家底人士的神經線

作者: 戀仔狂    時間: 10-12-29 12:55

原帖由 afhjl 於 10-12-29 12:33 發表


我真係好想知呀! 除左我提過嘅家庭背景和就讀的幼稚園之外



會唔會係同個面試模式有關呀?
我冇家庭背景又唔係名牌幼稚園, 仔仔係幼稚園既成績都ok, 校外都有幾張奬狀頂住, 但都唔係間間收(我指唔係一線既直資or 私校), 有d學校考d學術性既野, 有d學校考表達同組織能力......... 收我仔o個2間, 我仔in 完出黎係笑哂口話玩得好開心;唔收我仔o個4間, 我仔in 完出黎係黑哂口話唔鐘意........
所以我覺得真係好睇個面試模式.....
作者: easybring    時間: 10-12-29 14:12

可能輸在其他考生更top.  其實, dgs畢業生當了人中之鳳又如何? 亞q精神, 面對現實吧! 只好順勢而行啦!

知足者,貧亦樂 不知足者,富亦憂

原帖由 afhjl 於 10-12-29 12:33 發表


我真係好想知呀! 除左我提過嘅家庭背景和就讀的幼稚園之外

作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-12-29 14:18

It's a never ending argument every year. Those kids being rejected, must blamed old boys or girls and family background...... It doesn't help the kid and the family........ Let's look at the issue from other angle......

I am not old boys, my wife and I are middle class with professional qualifications, we live in quarter. Sorry, no guarantee a seat .......

My son also rejected in P4 admission as his ECA was not good enough. After that he was trained by "國手" and in GuangZhou in table tennis for 3 years, as the school team captain, a relative low ranking in HK in P6, many certificates in Maths (local and overseas), Speech Festive etc.

He was rejected again in first round of G7 admission of DBS (on waiting list), my son followed up the 2nd round written examination (Chinese, English & Maths, 9 out of 90 participants) in July and got into DBS through academic stream. This round, DBS doesn't consider interview and ECA results, just purely academic. Patiently learnt from a friend's useful advice, understand the rule of game and play the right card at right time (In the rejection letter, DBS stated that you can apply round 2 in June, but most parents are so upset and overlook the last paragraph and miss the chance). The most important part is never give up.......

A comment from my son 4 years ago, after secondary admission exercise - "一山還有一山高". Academic, arts, music, sports, leadership, family background, social services, just like the real world. You can get into or rejected by DBS from various means.......

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作者: ha8mo    時間: 10-12-29 14:59

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作者: twokidsmum    時間: 10-12-29 15:18

同意!一山還有一山高.


印象中只記得你兒子數學很棒……相信他會珍惜這得來不易的機會!


原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-12-29 14:18 發表
It's a never ending argument every year. Those kids being rejected, must blamed old boys or girls and family background...... It doesn't help the kid and the family........ Let's look at the issue fro ...

作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-12-29 15:43

原帖由 twokidsmum 於 10-12-29 15:18 發表
同意!一山還有一山高.


印象中只記得你兒子數學很棒……相信他會珍惜這得來不易的機會!


Too much negative energy on this type of topic in BK :tongue: . Can we turn it positive....? Learn from positive experience, learn from mistakes ....


He loves the school and doing well in G10, his Maths and Chemistry are top 10 in form, still not in elite class from G7-G9, "一山還有一山高" again (not all-rounded enough), no need HK$7k-8k tuition fee (he takes some enrichment programs in English & Maths), in-house ECA - FOC ....... lots of exposure that I never had......


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作者: twokidsmum    時間: 10-12-29 16:03

好叻仔呀!

原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-12-29 15:43 發表


Too much negative energy on this type of topic in BK :tongue: . Can we turn it positive....? Learn from positive experience, learn from mistakes ....


He loves the school and doing well i ...

作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-12-29 16:25

Read through some previous post, some kids attended some classes and competition and had some certificates in sports, art, music and or speech etc. Unfortunately, also rejected by elite schools.

Be honest, those certificate may not count in DBS/DGS, you need to be very very outstanding.........

Take a look at the DBS admission form in ECA, when talks about athletics or swimming, they ask your HK ranking, your best record, you represent HK before or not.... Not just attend a 3 days training camp in swimming last year with a certificate..... Just not good enough ....... must be best of the best "出乎其類、拔乎其萃"

Another interesting example, so many kids learn piano and not many parents including me know elite schools may not count piano as musical instrument, unless you are very good. A friend of mine has two boys in DBS, she told me that they plays violin with awards have a better chance get into DBS. I asked why? Her perfect answer was "How many pianists in an orchestra? One or two. The world champion is in DBSPD now, so......"; "How many violinists in an orchestra? How many orchestras in DBS......so....."

Read the student achievement of DBS, you know what they are good at and proud of, athletics, swimming ... What's their weakest link? Fencing (LSC), orienteering (QC), basketball (YW), football (TCY) ... Pick the right ECA, excel in HK.......... then...... DBS will approach you with scholarship and you are no need to apply........ No need to buy an apartment at Kowloon City......
作者: judy    時間: 10-12-29 17:09

看過男拔出的歷史書"to serve and to lead",拔翠前身只是一孤兒院,初初辦得不好,差啲關門。拔翠的名字,也不是甚麽"出乎其類、拔乎其萃"。只是初初在中央書院請來一叫Persy嘅西人教師做校長,這人又矮又微跛,性又暴躁,5尺多高的身材,常被發現鞭打近6尺的男生,十足十性格小生咁。有幾份中文報紙,將孤兒院稱為"跛士書院"。當時此孤兒院未有中文名,校方從"跛士書院"得其近音,改中文名為拔翠書院。學院後分男女拔,經歷多位校長,才有此規模和地位。

現時新建直資,面試時要求學生要有相同的理念。咁多年歷史嘅名校,話佢收生只重背境地位,講唔講得通呢?

當然,校友眾多,有的對學校有重大貢献。城中名人,完全唔俾面又點有可能呢?

總之,平常心吧。入得到當然值得高興。入唔到也不必太過失望。
作者: judy    時間: 10-12-29 17:40

Read the student achievement of DBS, you know what they are good at and proud of, athletics, swimming ... What's their weakest link? Fencing (LSC), orienteering (QC), basketball (YW), football (TCY) ... Pick the right ECA, excel in HK.......... then...... DBS will approach you with scholarship and you are no need to apply........ No need to buy an apartment at Kowloon City......


ANCHAN,

我認為此為本末倒置。運動也好,音樂也好,是有益身心的事。同時,也要有所愛好,才好。將運動、音樂变成入學工具,係痛苦嘅事,和原意不合。

男拔歷史中,出現過一位校長,他認為體育為健體,不是為比賽。佢在任期間,禁止學生參加校際賽。

現任張校長看來年紀不輕,下一位校長,未必會沿張氏路線。
作者: Rinana    時間: 10-12-29 17:48

I don't know if this is applied to DBS but an APARTMENT in Kowloon City is definitely not enough for admission to DGJS, a house in Kowloon Tong would be much appropriated.  Afterall, I think there will be around 30% of the seats are taken by really smart students without any connections or relationships while the remaining are mostly connected parties or wealthy students.

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作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-12-29 17:59

原帖由 judy 於 10-12-29 17:40 發表


ANCHAN,

我認為此為本末倒置。運動也好,音樂也好,是有益身心的事。同時,也要有所愛好,才好。將運動、音樂变成入學工具,係痛苦嘅事,和原意不合。

男拔歷史中,出現過一位校長,他認為體育為健體,不是為比賽。佢在任期間,禁止 ...


Judy

I took your point.

I try to channel negative energy to positive energy, but the example may be side-tracked. I will consider to delete the said post if more parents share the your view.

Thanks again.

ANChan59
作者: AAFamily2010    時間: 10-12-29 17:59

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作者: Zhaiba    時間: 10-12-29 18:13     標題: 回覆 51# ANChan59 的文章

This is the best answer overall and I couldn't agree more.  

However ask yourself is it what you want to do or to train your kids?  Remember this is a whole lot of commitments and you may end up regretting.......
作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-12-29 18:29

原帖由 judy 於 10-12-29 17:09 發表
看過男拔出的歷史書"to serve and to lead",拔翠前身只是一孤兒院,初初辦得不好,差啲關門。拔翠的名字,也不是甚麽"出乎其類、拔乎其萃"。只是初初在中央書院請來一叫Persy嘅西人教師做校長,這人又矮又微跛,性又暴躁,5尺多高 ...


Our views no conflict, "出乎其類、拔乎其萃" is the theme align with Chinese name and close to "Percy". Also my context is related to "best of the best" and not directly related to the name.

I nearly misled by your post again.

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作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-12-29 18:45

I quoted some extreme examples in previous posts just as illustration. Don't just take it literally and undermine my point.

Back to the basic, any better suggestions? Be positive.....
作者: siufu    時間: 10-12-29 18:58

Yes, it's a good strategy for the parents to pick a sport that DBS is not good at (or not best at), like handball or basketball, but such sport needs to be counted towards the BOC Bauhinia Bowl, and you need to be outstanding in that sport (like HK youth team rep) and you will have a very good chance to get accepted by DBS. (Actually if you are that good, the school will approach you no matter which grade/form you are in.)

原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-12-29 16:25 發表
Read through some previous post, some kids attended some classes and competition and had some certificates in sports, art, music and or speech etc. Unfortunately, also rejected by elite schools.

Be h ...

作者: bobbbby    時間: 10-12-29 19:07

好奇一問!是那一位校長?在那一個年代?

原帖由 judy 於 10-12-29 17:40 發表

男拔歷史中,出現過一位校長,他認為體育為健體,不是為比賽。佢在任期間,禁止學生參加校際賽。

作者: dlmcdlcl    時間: 10-12-29 21:15

張X祥? 他是前體藝校長. (只是估咋)


原帖由 bobbbby 於 29-12-2010 07:07 PM 發表
好奇一問!是那一位校長?在那一個年代?

作者: chingchingb.ma    時間: 10-12-29 21:19

都唔係嘅,就算住喺九龍城舊區(唔係house),DGJS都一樣會收。

原帖由 Rinana 於 10-12-29 17:48 發表
I don't know if this is applied to DBS but an APARTMENT in Kowloon City is definitely not enough for admission to DGJS, a house in Kowloon Tong would be much appropriated.  Afterall, I think there wil ...

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原帖由 talent2000 於 10-12-29 22:50 發表
One sure-win is to donate money more than others.


What's the minimum charge?

I know LKS Foundation donated HK$55M to SPCC for the new building with media coverage.

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作者: bobbbby    時間: 10-12-29 23:21

張灼祥由2000年開始至現在,擔任拔萃男書院校長,在此期間從未禁止學生參加校際賽。

原帖由 dlmcdlcl 於 10-12-29 21:15 發表

張X祥? 他是前體藝校長. (只是估咋)

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作者: bobbbby    時間: 10-12-29 23:31

閣下似乎有好多內幕消息~~~

原帖由 talent2000 於 10-12-29 23:23 發表
It may not be a small amount, let say 200K$ up but you know, there are many parents to whom they can afford more this small money. To this school, I do believe many boxes of application form to be sub ...

作者: ANChan59    時間: 10-12-29 23:38

原帖由 talent2000 於 10-12-29 23:23 發表
It may not be a small amount, let say 200K$ up but you know, there are many parents to whom they can afford more this small money. To this school, I do believe many boxes of application form to be sub ...


HK$200k for application form .......

So how much for admission?
作者: youma    時間: 10-12-30 00:08

原帖由 judy 於 10-12-29 17:09 發表
...
現時新建直資,面試時要求學生要有相同的理念。咁多年歷史嘅名校,話佢收生只重背境地位,講唔講得通呢?
...




兩拔小家長不少是達官貴人, 商賈巨擘, 億萬富豪,
太平紳士, 乜師乜長, 博士學者等等, 比例相當高; 有些中產子弟在校也會感到自卑; 至於住居屋的, 極少數; 住公屋的, 未聽過.


我不是說兩拔收生[]看重背境地位
, 而是家庭背境畢竟是最重要收生因素 ((學校當然唔會寫出來)). 而且我談的是現時小拔收生, 非插班生和中學(DGS/DBS)收生. 兩間中學收生會較看重學生對學校的貢獻 (注意, 是貢獻, 不是單指實力)



而我所指的[家庭背境], 也不是單指富貴人家, 而是有資源有背境家庭. 例如我認識一對小拔家長, 阿媽是家庭主婦(以前是當名校教師), 阿爸是科學家,正是中產也, 不過佢地經常話自己係草根!
作者: Rachethew    時間: 10-12-30 00:16

Mr. Li's grand-daughterss are not studying in SPCCPS.


原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-12-29 23:11 發表


What's the minimum charge?

I know LKS Foundation donated HK$55M to SPCC for the new building with media coverage. A smart move with years before his grand-daughters admitted into SPCC.

作者: hui916    時間: 10-12-30 01:24

李超人的幾個孫女都在漢基國際學校(Chinese International School)就讀, 好像李氏這樣的名門望族, 無需要捐獻, 香港任何一間學校都會收, 甚至Harvard, Stanford也會給面子.

他捐給spcc, 應該是因為其兩個兒子都這此校畢業.



原帖由 Rachethew 於 10-12-30 00:16 發表
Mr. Li's grand-daughterss are not studying in SPCCPS.

作者: 619619    時間: 10-12-30 01:31

When my daughter was granted a seat from her current Kindergarten, I saw a lot of posts complained that the selection criterias were biased and chances were only granted to those with "old boys / old girls" parents or parents who are from professional sectors or entrepreneurs or ....yes, some of my daughter's classmates' families are wealthy and / or their parents are public figures (not limited to celebrities, some of them are famous doctors).  But, pls respect the headmistress's selection criterias, she still took students from other sectors.  My husband and I are not with backgrounds like above mentioned.  But, I won't deny that we're very dedicated in nurturing our daughter, we bring our daughter a lot of experiences, explain different issues / happenings to her,..pls don't think it's a matter of money, it's not. It's a matter of our passion and that influences our daughter also. For example, when my daughter came across with "Mother's Day", I surfed the internet with my daughter for the story and history of Mother's Day, my daughter was so excited and eager to know more.  It's engagement!  If you can engage a little one to dig out knowledge, I'm sure the knowledge will be truly belonged to this little one.
Yes, this time, the competition for Primary Schools' applications is even more keen and again, we're lucky to have an offer from one of the schools mentioned in this thread.  Be honest, I still think it's 50% of our efforts and 50% of luck. At the end, they're just 5 years old, who knows what happened in the interview room and how the interviewers evaluated our kids.  

LOVE our kids and be passionate parents.  Give them supports and think at their angles.  They need understanding and supportive parents no matter what results were from this "interview campaign".
God luck to all and May Lord watch over us and keep us all the time.
原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-12-29 15:43 發表


Too much negative energy on this type of topic in BK :tongue: . Can we turn it positive....? Learn from positive experience, learn from mistakes ....


He loves the school and doing well i ...

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原帖由 hui916 於 10-12-30 01:24 發表
李超人的幾個孫女都在漢基國際學校(Chinese International School)就讀, 好像李氏這樣的名門望族, 無需要捐獻, 香港任何一間學校都會收, 甚至Harvard, Stanford也會給面子.

他捐給spcc, 應該是因為其兩個兒子都這 ...


I deleted my statement in previous post. Thanks. But I can't verify you info is correct.

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http://www.specials.mingpao.com/ ... 0c587ad4d627a94ae01
作者: judy    時間: 10-12-30 09:18

原帖由 youma 於 10-12-30 00:08 發表
兩拔小家長不少是達官貴人, 商賈巨擘, 億萬富豪,
太平紳士, 乜師乜長, 博士學者等等, 比例相當高; 有些中產子弟在校也會感到自卑; 至於住居屋的, 極少數; 住公屋的, 未聽過.


我不是說兩拔收生[只]看重背境地 ...


youma,

話"兩拔收生只看重背境"只是我得到的印象。不過,點都好,中產背境的孩子,在面試表現真的較優越。

不如退一步來說吧,除特殊例子外。你認為女拔是先看背境,再看表現好壞。還是只看表現好壞,而表現好的恰恰是較好境的。

我不信是前者。
作者: judy    時間: 10-12-30 09:21

原帖由 bobbbby 於 10-12-29 19:07 發表
好奇一問!是那一位校長?在那一個年代?


本書唔知去咗邊,記憶所及,應是戰後第二、三任。
作者: LesMis99    時間: 10-12-30 09:27

1. 强化英語是否基本條件?
The two interviews were conducted in Cantonese. This should rule out that spoken English was one of the key criteria in the decision process. In my opinion, the manners how the kids behaved were more important than any already acquired language skills, especially for a child of 5+. Think about it that there are still 6-12 years of learning down the line.

2. 你們是否都讓子女參加很多學習班/興趣班,以及參加各種比賽獲獎?
The most suitable place for kids (5+) is the playground. I believe anyone can afford taking their kids to a playground, say Victoria Park on Sunday.

3. 是否雖具一技之長如突出的體育,音樂或藝術成就 (雖然只是K3).
Not many kids like Mozart who started playing piano at 3 and knew composing music at 5 and could master 3 intruments at the age of 8. DG/DB interviewing process is not a music contest. There are no ways to verify how good the kids can be at music or art within such a short period of time.  Let alone 'achievement' at music for a kid at 5+ !

4. 是否一定就讀有名氣的幼稚園?
Lot of things that a well behaved child needs to possess can be taught at home at an early age. I think parents' model examples come first! Both famous and not so famous kids go to DG or DB.

5. 個人品格方面有什麽要求? 子女要很有自信及醒目型嗎? 還是學校想收不同種類的人材?
This is a kind of personal preferences between the interviewer (Mrs Dai) and the kid. A very subjective aspect, very hard to be quantified! I think this is where luck exists!

6. 幼稚園校內成績又是否很重要?
The potentials rather than the existing results for a kid of 5+ are the most important. You have to show what is the potential for the kid that appears more superior than others in order to win a place! Again, something that parents need to really think hard about your kids.

Also, the schools (DG/DB) don't conduct a reference/cross check on all the information you submitted before they send out the offers. In particular, they really don't care about where you live (rented or owned or fake address) and how much money you make so long as , I think, you can find a mean to settle the school fees.

When one comes to select some 140 out of 3000+, there must be some criteria to follow. Here is what I think based on our daughter's experience who was lucky to get an offer.

1. luck (55%)
2. good manners (20%)
3. parents' intentions and attitudes (via some examples) (20%)
4. money/address/financials/occupations (5%)
作者: TRYTOBEHOMAMA    時間: 10-12-30 13:55

Yes, luck I think is most crucial! 我亦曾因小兒被拒申請而失落一陣子,但長路漫漫,何必執著於已過去而不在自已控制/爭取範圍的既定事實?
作者: cheben    時間: 10-12-30 14:52     標題: 回復 79# TRYTOBEHOMAMA 的帖子

我也十分同意你說的, 要走出難過的心情真的十分不容易, 最少係我自己到現在也做不到...
作者: ayeung0088    時間: 10-12-30 15:01     標題: 回覆 1# cheben 的文章

me too, 有時情願無入過 300 !
作者: cheben    時間: 10-12-30 15:31     標題: 回復 81# ayeung0088 的帖子

就係咁樣啦, 有300份, 但係冇份150, 心情始終平伏唔到, 會唔會再試下叩?
作者: ayeung0088    時間: 10-12-30 15:35     標題: 回覆 1# cheben 的文章

仲唸緊.....你呢 ? 咁現在會讀邊間呀 ?
作者: cheben    時間: 10-12-30 15:38     標題: 回復 83# ayeung0088 的帖子

有APS 同埋 ST JOE (KWUN TONG), 仲問緊睇下邊間好O的...
作者: ayeung0088    時間: 10-12-30 15:47     標題: 回覆 1# cheben 的文章

哈哈, 咪我同你傾緊....
作者: cheben    時間: 10-12-30 16:10     標題: 回覆 85# ayeung0088 的文章

都有家長參與下既...
開始離題...SORRY~
作者: LesMis99    時間: 10-12-30 16:24

Would appreciate any comments from DGJS alumni to share with us what parents should really expect if their daughters study at DG/DB. Apart from academic achievements which I think are largely dependent upon how much efforts one puts into it, other aspects like the relationships among their fellow classmates would utlimately determine how much one would be influenced by the peers during the later part of their school life.  

What does the school atmosphere look like, I mean do children share with others what they learn, play, etc rather than building their own 'weapon' secretely?

Do they have real friends at school as the competition looks so intense in every respect? What do the parents really care about? A good life for an unforgetable childhood or marks and grades?


作者: kellyjason    時間: 10-12-30 16:29

300 ? the no. of 2nd int student for DBS ?
作者: GAT    時間: 10-12-30 16:36

i saw an article about an interview with DBS's principal. He mentioned he like story telling student with creativity. Is there any story telling element in the interview process?

He principal also said the competition has became very keen. So they started this year to give the siblings marks only in the second round interview. This has improved the ratio of non-related party entering the 300 list. However, this may explain the disappointment of those parents who entered the last 300 but eventually got disappointed.

I know of a case last year - a child got into 300. He is quite smart in talking but not really attended a lot of tutor class or getting awards. He is unrelated party from an ordinary middle class family.

It makes me believe that maybe the first round is more based on interview while the second round place more emphasize on other background information of the child? This could make sure that even for the related parties, the child don't perform too bad.

What do others think?
作者: GAT    時間: 10-12-30 16:43

i have also seen another article interviewing another principal of a famous school (forgot which one). She also mentioned that if piano - cert of grade one and two no need to submit. Only if you earn higher grade then it counts - for a 5 year old!!! - people said piano should only starts from 4 years old. That means in one year the child get into grade 3/4?

I also learnt that some primary school has told the parents that piano does not count as one musical instrument. The child need to learn one more on top of piano to be accredited musical instructment.
作者: GAT    時間: 10-12-30 16:44

On another point, if manner is important in interview - then how about the interview course for DBS/DGS? Are these tailor made course useful or not? Will the child improve his manner after these courses - like not shaking the legs, sit up staight, etc.?
作者: kellyjason    時間: 10-12-30 17:02

150 out of 300, the chance is quite high when compared to 140 out of 600 or 700 ??? in DGJS.
作者: icbb1230    時間: 10-12-30 17:07     標題: 回復 2# GAT 的帖子

sometimes, I don't know why piano isn't count as a musical instrument, it is, right? Only because of too many kids know how to play piano, then it isn't count.  With this logic, there could be so many become meaningless.
作者: bobbbby    時間: 10-12-31 01:02

戰後第二任校長是Mr George She,佢只係唔參加校際足球賽,原因係當時足球賽多數在星期日舉行,但係有派學生參加田徑及游泳校際賽,第三任校長係Mr Lowcock,佢亦無禁止學生參加校際賽。

原帖由 judy 於 10-12-30 09:21 發表

本書唔知去咗邊,記憶所及,應是戰後第二、三任。

作者: youma    時間: 10-12-31 01:52

原帖由 judy 於 10-12-30 09:18 發表


youma,

話"兩拔收生只看重背境"只是我得到的印象。不過,點都好,中產背境的孩子,在面試表現真的較優越。

不如退一步來說吧,除特殊例子外。你認為女拔是先看背境,再看表現好壞。還是只看表現好壞,而表現好的恰恰是較好境的。
...



當然不會是前者(先看背境,再看表現好壞), 兩拔都聲稱有計分表的啊!


問題是, 校長有最後否決權和特收權。你不是未見過兩拔都有些家底甚強但表現平平的學生嗎? 反而成績好但被拒收的例子倒見不少吧?!

其實計分表內的項目都有些彈性和主觀
, 要收一些特殊背境的學生, 總有辦法。
作者: KaHeiBaBa    時間: 10-12-31 02:25

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作者: judy    時間: 10-12-31 08:55

原帖由 bobbbby 於 10-12-31 01:02 發表
戰後第二任校長是Mr George She,佢只係唔參加校際足球賽,原因係當時足球賽多數在星期日舉行,但係有派學生參加田徑及游泳校際賽,第三任校長係Mr Lowcock,佢亦無禁止學生參加校際賽。


等我找到本書再看清楚。
作者: ysnmama    時間: 10-12-31 09:02

我不認為是先看背景再看表現. 如果是. 阿B及任達華的女兒. 為何沒收呢? 難道他們家庭可以付出的, 會比一些中產少嗎? 一定是學校要的某些特質. 只是孩子沒有. 而不是他們沒實力及家庭背景或可以付出的不夠.

只是因為有某些特質能入了. 可能是表達能力好. 有某些才能. 但是否一定能讀上及跟能其他同學競爭. 又是另一回事. 始終可能收了大部份是精英. 可能還有些不是的. 餘下的要看孩子及家長的造化了.

因為有朋友孩子現讀男小拔. 當年收了他時, 他父母也很奇怪. 大家甚至連他父母也覺孩子平平無奇. 在校就是成績在下游吧. 只是家長及孩子沒有特別壞感受就算了. 在一所名校讀書. 能有高的情緒管理也非常重要.

不是一定讀拔萃. 才可"拔萃"的.
作者: judy    時間: 10-12-31 09:34

問題是, 校長有最後否決權和特收權。你不是未見過兩拔都有些家底甚強但表現平平的學生嗎? 反而成績好但被拒收的例子倒見不少吧?!


不會是前者(先看背境,再看表現好壞),己經好好。我前面也說過,校友眾多,有的對學校有重大貢献。城中名人,完全唔俾面又點有可能呢?我估世上冇人真的天真到相信有學校收生會100%公平公正。正如蒙住双眼,手持天平之正義女神,也有時令我們失望,嘆奈何。

至於成績好但被拒收的例子不少,這是理所當然的了。收生少,加上觀点與角度,道理易明。

我不知小學收生的水準,但觀乎每年会考放榜,DGS學生真係好好,好得來好平均,令我相信小學部做得好好。

題外話。我今年有去男拔聽簡介会。那天星期六,我約人運動,於是背着大背包,着得古古怪怪。到学校,打到幾圍蛇餅,見到很多人都着得很得體。阿蟲排好前,聽講佢好早好早到。我見解係,要入唔易,就算阿蟲此等權貴,可能学校一早打算俾面佢,但起碼佢都要做場戲俾人睇。(唔同孫肥羊,話明輸送利益就輸送利益,當我等市民係死嘅。)
作者: 619619    時間: 10-12-31 09:39     標題: 回復 1# ysnmama 的帖子

Yes, it's "particular characters".  And, I still think it's our luck that our daughter has shown this kind of characters in front of Mrs Dai. Background should not be the first thing unless the girls' parents are really with very strong backgrounds.  And, pls don't deny that some girls with strong / wealthy background also have the "particular characters".  My daughter is never the kind of show-off type,...she's quiet at the beginning whenever she meets someone,..but maybe she found the way Mrs Dai to break-the-ice (the game to decide who chatted with Mrs Dai first) is interesting,..then she just get very involved and relaxed.  My daughter has no achievements in Music / Sports at all, just a few little awards in other areas, trust me, not big / special awards at all.  But she's a very devoted and passionate girl in learning and / or finishing a task.  To be frank, we were not confident at getting the offer after the interview since our daughter hadn't gotten any big achievements in any areas and we don't see our daughter is the kind of bright girls.  Maybe the only kind of achievement is being an active-learner. hahahaha,...but all girls who entered 2ng interview should be very smart active-learners already. So, we did not have a lot of hope while we were waiting for the results.  One thing is for sure, that is our daughter did enjoy the 1st and 2nd interviews very much.  That's already good enough. Right?

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