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作者: laicherry1030 時間: 11-9-19 16:28 標題: 識答, 但從來唔問問題

我個仔5歲, 你問佢咩問題佢都識答, 但從來唔問問題, 係咪有點奇怪?

作者: kelvin_hmlau 時間: 11-9-19 17:04

我個A仔小時候都從來唔問野, 不過而家5歲識問what, where, when, how, 但仲未識問 why.

作者: laicherry1030 時間: 11-9-19 17:11 標題: 回復 1# kelvin_hmlau 的帖子

咁你0個個好叻呀...你點教到佢識問問題...請教下...

作者: someoneelse 時間: 11-9-19 21:56

其實最奇怪既係如果佢從來唔問野，又點能做到問咩都識答呢？！靠自學？！

究竟你問咩問題？佢平時學習既模式是怎樣？

原帖由 laicherry1030 於 11-9-19 16:28 發表
我個仔5歲, 你問佢咩問題佢都識答, 但從來唔問問題, 係咪有點奇怪?

作者: conconma 時間: 11-9-19 23:04 標題: 回覆 4# laicherry1030 的文章

可能他會否只是死記問題與答案, 而根本未真正"領會" 問題?

假如未"真正"識答問題, 何來會識問呢?

有冇試過自己讀書時期, 有些學科根本唔明阿sir講咩, 即使阿sir問大家有咩問題, 自己都唔知點去問問題...[心想, 我都唔識, 點知問你咩問題呢, 阿sir?]

所以, 要打好基礎, 真正領會, 才懂問問題...不然, prompting問問題, 也一樣死記, 沒有意思...等於正常小朋友"唸口黃"背詩, 其實係咪真係明及理解, who knows?

識問問題, 其實都去到幾叻0既層面...識問與識答的能力, 兩者是掛鉤的

[ 本帖最後由 conconma 於 11-9-20 00:07 編輯 ]

作者: LPYdad1 時間: 11-9-20 00:07 標題: 回覆 5# laicherry1030 的文章

Dear laicherry,

I think u have asked one of the best question among this group section.
Dont you know just saying why my kid never asked a question could already involve a lot of areas over development disorder. Questionning involves speech, sensory, attention, social activity /environment, intellectual quotation, memory, logic, emotion/feeling. Asking a question ( not robotically) already could lead to a great study over brain functioning.
Kelvin_hmlau's question is right. In questioning, easiest is yes or yes not, then yes or no, true or false, by then who, then where, then what, and when. How & why are more advanced.
Go back to the main pt, asking a question of course requires a speech skill (which already involve in expression, understanding & execution, memory & logic of wording), sensory ( the concept of myself to the world - from yr own body to the environment), attention ( recognition of a problem or an uncertainty), social ( the concept of a questioner, questionee & the issue, the relation hierarchy of the questioner & questionee), intellectual quotation (understand that there is an issue, and what it relates to), memory (past experience that he/she came across to raise a question), logic (understand there is a sequence of incidence, and also there is a sequence of relation such as "where" means a place) emotion & feelings - understand the incidence will have an impact to the questioner.
So, questionning involves a lot of brain functioning skills to a person even he might not have a development disorder could come into trouble. Missing a part could already violate the nature of questionning.
So, conconma 's reply I think is adequate. If he can ask and reply to a question, the skill of him is already very high. Going back, you should help your kid to raise his development level, by then, he will ask an adequate question. I agree training a kid to raise a question has no pt.
I remember there is a wisdom from a Chinese New Year mahjong film from Andy Lau. One's conduct in playing mahjong will improve once a person's conduct improves.
My son is close to 5, he has no problem in questioning skills in how & why from he is 4-4.5, but i never teach him about questioning. Again, no need to compare, go for your skill training, it will bring yr kid improvement in questioning skills.

作者: conconma 時間: 11-9-20 00:24 標題: 回復 1# LPYdad1 的帖子

I totally agree with you!

作者: conconma 時間: 11-9-20 00:31 標題: 回覆 2# LPYdad1 的文章

佩服佩服! 你絕對係一個有深度0既學者...

作者: kelvin_hmlau 時間: 11-9-20 10:07 標題: 回覆 6# laicherry1030 的文章

我的經驗係言語治療會係問問題的"技術"上幫到忙.

但係最難的係問問題的"技巧" - 係適當時間問, 問得合理.

例子1: 你地換晒衫, 準備出門, 佢問你去邊度呀? - 問得好!

例子2: 佢問你呢樣係乜, 其實佢已經知道, 你勉強答佢, 但佢仲重複問 - 就O晒嘴啦! 呢樣野就係治療師成日攞d 圖咭/物件問的結果. 用RDI 術語就係prompt 得太多的結果.

所以我覺得可以試下日常生活搵機會教(真係問得合理), 好過用d 圖咭或物件, 效果會好d .

加油!

作者: laicherry1030 時間: 11-9-20 10:23 標題: 回復 1# kelvin_hmlau 的帖子

其實咩叫prompting? 哦...即係提示佢去答, 吓...我從來冇用呢個方法, 我都一直有用你以上講的方法...因為都係學校st教, 不過都係去到識答問題, 但唔係問問題...我今早送完個仔番學, 同st傾陣, 講阿conconma 0既理論, 學校st好buy wor...佢仲讚0個位媽咪有見地...所以, st叫我盡量類化多d情境...不過kelvin_hmlau 你0個個提議亦很好...唉...我明0既, 有時可能佢能力未到, 未明, 都急唔來...只不過, 有時接放學見到其他小朋友問好多問題, 自己個仔, 就一問一答...

作者: laicherry1030 時間: 11-9-20 10:34 標題: 回覆 2# kelvin_hmlau 的文章

其實我都係最近有個媽咪教我上bk,點解你0地成日講rdi, aba 咁多名詞, 咩來0架...

作者: earlyeducation 時間: 11-9-20 11:47

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作者: conconma 時間: 11-9-20 12:21 標題: 回復 3# laicherry1030 的帖子

真係過獎, 其實大家的意見也很實用...不過每個小朋友能力都唔同, 有時好難[一言而蔽之](中文差, 唔知有冇用錯)

如果可以同你小朋友去沙田, 面談ok?

[上次反應不俗, 今次希望大家都分享多些updated及有用資訊!! 無論是選校問題, 小朋友做緊0既療程及治療,playgroup, 課外活動去處, 都可以暢所欲言 (暫定星期六下午時間, 2 hrs)]

作者: laicherry1030 時間: 11-9-20 18:35 標題: 回覆 1# conconma 的文章

好呀...我有好多0野想問, 想知...我要點聯絡你約時間地點?

作者: JJran 時間: 11-9-20 22:08

原帖由 conconma 於 11-9-20 12:21 發表
真係過獎, 其實大家的意見也很實用...不過每個小朋友能力都唔同, 有時好難[一言而蔽之](中文差, 唔知有冇用錯)

如果可以同你小朋友去沙田, 面談ok?

[上次反應不俗, 今次希望大家都分享多些updated及有用資訊!! 無 ...

我家住大埔近火車站, 去沙田方便, 想join可以嗎? 請pm我!

作者: Capricorn2521 時間: 11-9-21 12:58

你講得好啱，我個仔之前在學校用圖咭都有呢個問題，佢可以好快答中所有學校的題目，因為"死記"。但當改變問題，他亦回答一樣的答覆。於是st/pst要求我教小朋友不同句式時，都要時常改變物品/人物/地點，幫助類化。老實說，我自己教小朋友時是沒有用圖咭，而是用真實情景或故事書，加上遊戲的模式，我覺得佢吸收得仲快，又冇咁悶。(我教野係冇系統嘅，見倒乜就教乜，只係記住老師要求的重點) 依家情況改善了很多。

不過，我不是說圖咭吾好，因為圖咭都係好基本，能幫助孩子學習的工具，只不過人人吾同，”齋睇feel吾倒"....我個仔好快嫌悶。

我個仔依家4.5歲，可以問what & where，有冇，係吾係，其他未得。我都同意理解便自然會發問，所以我不急於他幾時問when, how & why，而是希望訓練多d佢回答過去發生的事情，及能夠準確回覆。

原帖由 kelvin_hmlau 於 11-9-20 10:07 發表
我的經驗係言語治療會係問問題的"技術"上幫到忙.

但係最難的係問問題的"技巧" - 係適當時間問, 問得合理.

例子1: 你地換晒衫, 準備出門, 佢問你去邊度呀? - 問得好!

例子2: 佢問你呢樣係乜, 其實佢已經知道, 你 ...

[ 本帖最後由 Capricorn2521 於 11-9-21 13:14 編輯 ]

作者: conconma 時間: 11-9-21 15:09 標題: 回覆 1# Capricorn2521 的文章

come on guys and gals, i m not trying to defend aba, however, we used to ask parents to practise in the real situation. Also, there is constraint for therapist to bring the child to the supermarket, fire station, pool, playground etc (during training time) w/o parents' permission...

Moreover, as the ABA's functional behavior analysis saying, "A child's behavior changes starting from the changes of the parents' behaviors." similar concept: parents need to introduce/ guide their kids after the training or leisure time, i/o staying at home, watching tv...

On the other hand, for some autistic children, they are too easy to be distracted by other things in the enviornment, while u are telling him, where are we, what we are going to do, actually, they are thinking or looking at other things, not listening...sometimes cards are essential to teach them those "wh" concepts (since they can focus on the trainer during 1:1 training, therapist can make sure they can master the concept though the cards...but totally agree with all the parents said, most important is let them generalize in the real situation as well

kindly see the attachment (assessent of aba) fm my facebook: conconma yu

[ 本帖最後由 conconma 於 11-9-21 17:12 編輯 ]

作者: angels'mom 時間: 11-9-21 16:20

我的小朋友之前也有同樣問題，不會提問，ST的建議是多同小朋友講故事，有很多英文圖書都是不斷重複同一個問題的。

我們亦教小朋友如何問問題，最初當然是跟講，之後仍是要特別叫他問，現在有時識得主動問，有時仍要叫。

作者: Capricorn2521 時間: 11-9-21 17:14 標題: 回復 2# conconma 的帖子

This is exactly what the ST told us before.... i totally understand their constraints.... That's why I, as a parent, should use real-life situation/story books rather than cards, to strengthen his congitive ability.

I do also agree with the PST/ST. They told me that as the kid's ability increase, we should use less and less visual aids such as picture cards and word words.... meaning that we should use verbal instructions only. If the kid developed further, we should give less verbal hints, and give him facial expressions or body languages only.

I think the other situation that I will use picture cards is to introduce new concept/idea to my kid.... to help him understand the concept first.

Anyway, thanks for giving us such detailed information....... I really appreciate it !

[ 本帖最後由 Capricorn2521 於 11-9-21 17:50 編輯 ]

作者: conconma 時間: 11-9-21 17:30 標題: 回復 1# Capricorn2521 的帖子

yes, u guys are doing very good, i ve no doubt, good and responsible parents...

also, let the kids to master the "wh" concepts by cards is also important, because when he goes to do the assessment in CAC, doctor use a lot of cards to ask questions and assess the children...

so, real situation+ cards both are important...

作者: conconma 時間: 11-9-21 17:55 標題: 回覆 2# Capricorn2521 的文章

kindly check the pm, thx

作者: kelvin_hmlau 時間: 11-9-21 18:01

conconma, 圖咭/玩具/生活化都好, 都係工具黎, 手法都好緊要...ABA/RDI/Louis都好, 舞得掂自己個A仔就ok la...

Capricorn2521, 睇黎你兒進展都唔錯, 如果無記錯, 上年讀緊S, 今年出返黎主流未?

作者: Capricorn2521 時間: 11-9-21 18:02 標題: 回復 1# conconma 的帖子

checked and replied.

Thanks for your reminder.

作者: conconma 時間: 11-9-21 18:08 標題: 回覆 2# kelvin_hmlau 的文章

yes totally agree, i dont ve any bias on either one...

作者: Capricorn2521 時間: 11-9-21 18:12 標題: 回復 2# kelvin_hmlau 的帖子

今年未出主流住。因為我要返工，I位有D擔心，E位我又跟吾倒。所以想讀多一年先，比人跟貼D。不過，我都打算下個月比個仔每天放學後去主流暫托1-2個小時。

剛剛跟班老師傾完電話，話佢好乖，完全跟倒課堂常規，學野又快，不過，社交就係最弱一環，不肯share玩具，要重點訓練。

你的孩子應該k3了，小一方面安排如何呀?

作者: kelvin_hmlau 時間: 11-9-22 10:02 標題: 回覆 1# Capricorn2521 的文章

oic. S位同主流兩者都有得失的...

我都參觀左幾間二三線小學, 不過好多小學上年都超額收生. 有d 收開學障兒的小學都話明今年唔想收咁多. (有客自然選擇多)

作者: Olympian 時間: 11-9-23 11:19

其實唔問問題跟性格都亦有關係。

我囝囝性格較被動、慢熱及無所謂。好多時你唔比佢佢就算數。唔會"要求"，即係唔問人。

我教了他要求人的"台詞"，"唔該XXX得唔得?" eg.唔該開電視得唔得?

係屋企佢會問，但係係學校兩個月後先有問。

當然，亦可能因他不懂類化，以為呢句台詞只係屋企講。

作者: xixi1218 時間: 11-9-27 22:38

原帖由 kelvin_hmlau 於 11-9-21 18:01 發表
conconma, 圖咭/玩具/生活化都好, 都係工具黎, 手法都好緊要...ABA/RDI/Louis都好, 舞得掂自己個A仔就ok la...

我覺得kelvin_hmlau 的回覆都很經典。
我仔之前也是不太會問問題，現在好些了，但是問WHY的問題還是很少，而且回答WHY的問題也不是每次都符合邏輯。有時我問他小朋友爲什麽哭，他會說因為很傷心，我問他爲什麽傷心，他說因為他哭

。。。。。我覺得WHY是一個對A來說比較難的問題和回答。

另外有時候他會不停地問同一個問題，重複地問，足以挑戰你的忍耐極限。

作者: pocoyo123 時間: 11-9-28 00:04

社交真係好深層次嘅, 亞仔好喜歡到公園同其他小朋友玩, 踏下單車, 玩下滑梯,追追逐逐咁都可以, 一去到玩集體遊戲, 佢就好蝕, 好以, 今日有個小朋友細佢半年, 佢已可以講返好多以前發生過的事情比我知, 然後再分析對&錯, 我個仔最叻只可講返早一兩天發生的事, 而且從不學識去分析錯對, 如果公園有小朋友唔同佢玩, 佢不會自動走開, 佢會跟住人, 不停問人點解唔同我玩, 佢唔明點解人地討厭佢, 我都同佢解釋過朋友不是單方面, 人地不願意同你玩, 你就同其他人玩啦.唉, 有時在公園見一些哥哥搵佢笨, 我都唔會即時講, 返到屋企再解釋比佢聽, 好似, 之前有個小朋友佢架單車壊左, 就叫亞仔借佢玩, 佢又同亞仔一齊玩, 點知後來佢架單車整好啦, 佢即刻同我講唔想同佢玩, 亞仔每次去公園都想同佢玩, 我有次同爸爸傾開計, 講左佢點解唔同亞仔玩, 點知佢聽左後, 過兩日訓覺前問我係咪咁嘅原因, 我聽到好心酸, 好擔心將來佢地在這個你死我活的社會生存

作者: xixi1218 時間: 11-9-28 09:44

原帖由 pocoyo123 於 11-9-28 00:04 發表
社交真係好深層次嘅, 亞仔好喜歡到公園同其他小朋友玩, 踏下單車, 玩下滑梯,追追逐逐咁都可以, 一去到玩集體遊戲, 佢就好蝕, 好以, 今日有個小朋友細佢半年, 佢已可以講返好多以前發生過的事情比我知, 然後再分析對& ...

是啊，我也覺得社交真是很微妙，有時語言解釋不到的。。。。其實你小朋友已經比好多A仔好啦，例如會去找人玩，例如想同人玩，例如會問你原因等等。當然，做父母的都是會心酸，我都見到阿仔給人欺負但卻不知道是怎麼回事，和他解釋也不知道他是否明白。
不過想深一層，其實就算普通的小朋友，他們因為性格上的不同，也會有被欺負的一個，一堆小朋友中總會有弱勢的一方，溫和的一方，霸道的一方等等，如果我們能讓小朋友融入到社群，接近普通人，那麼就算是弱的一方，也是一個很大的進步了。

作者: LPYdad1 時間: 11-9-28 17:41

Dear xixi1218

U are correct social activity actually is not easy fro autistic kids since there are a lot fundamental grounds built first before social activity. However, please do not give up and pls dont worry too much. Once he is ready, he will seek for social activity voluntarily.
u may join such as social class or even church to get some prework, probably u are doing it. It is easier than getting a fair play in playground w/ other kids. Also, there are adults guiding the kids.
One thing best is not mind about the loss from other kids if not so serious. He might gain more friendship if he is willing to give, right?

作者: xixi1218 時間: 11-9-28 21:38

原帖由 LPYdad1 於 11-9-28 17:41 發表
Dear xixi1218

U are correct social activity actually is not easy fro autistic kids since there are a lot fundamental grounds built first before social activity. However, please do not give up and pls ...

agree!

作者: szeszes 時間: 11-10-6 13:55

隨著我地不停輸入言語溝通技巧比佢, 當佢地儲滿料, 佢地會在適當時間, 你會發覺佢突然好似 "叮" 一聲醒來咁

我仔 - 評定有自閉徵狀成5歲才開始有3個組合既說話 (媽媽望下我), 大半年前, 講野仲係亂來 - 結構有問題, 做左半年言語治療及我地強硬地要求佢講完整既句子, 而家佢會問好多問題, 講好多假設既野

如: 我仔會問:

你講真定假呀?

你係唔係講緊笑呀?
mami, 我好耐無去赤柱, 不如星期六去, 好唔好呀?

如果我乖, 不如你帶我去XXX 玩?

今次讀書有102分 (110分係滿分, 因為有10分係 BONUS MARK), 你比 $10 我做獎勵, 得唔得?

最搞笑既近期一句:
mami, 我都係唔返太子學講野啦!! 因為李姑娘 (以前係黃姑娘) 又唔靚又唔可愛

作者: kelvin_hmlau 時間: 11-10-6 14:30 標題: 回復 1# szeszes 的帖子

你確係一個非常聰明的媽媽, 就係要求A仔講全句.

因為佢地成日講野講少d 重點, 例如:呢個乜野黎架?
又唔用手指, 重點又唔講, 父母估到佢問乜, 答左佢, 即係修補左d 錯野, 但其他人唔知佢講乜. 習慣成自然, 呢方面就會無進步.

我下次應該比個唔明的樣佢睇, 堅持要佢重講.

作者: szeszes 時間: 11-10-6 15:56

不要誇獎我了!! 我只是知道, 言語發展一定要靠多聽多講既道理 (正如我地去學其他言語一樣, 英文/日文咁樣)

另外, 又可能我細時本身都有自傾 (因為跟據我家姐所講既事, 仲嚴重過我仔, 固執過我仔, 又唔出聲, 咩野都只識 CRY!! 去公園只會跟住亞哥玩, 亞哥唔同我玩, 我就自己係到爬 MONKEY BAR)

所以, 我好明白仔仔本身既問題, 又或者我仔亞 Q 精神啦!! 覺得仔仔似我細過, 其實真係好多野都好似, 連性格, 記性及行為... 種種都好似, 覺得仔仔將來一定無問題, 期望似我, 處事態度好, 得老闆重用及社交不差的人, 口才都不錯 (當年既我, 在無任何糾正及訓練, 係正常生活圈子入面, 跌跌踫踫下成長; 我都可以變為一個正常人, 無理由我仔唔得, 原因係... 我仔比我幸福, 出世於現今社會, 老公及我當佢係寶, 事事以佢為主)

係呀!! 真係要堅持佢講完整句子, 咁先會見效

我同事仔仔又係一個例子, 今年6月 (小朋友係2歲半) 仲未肯講野, 返左健康院搵轉介, 當時, 連叫 mami 都發音不準叫左貓毛, 由於呢位同事都知我仔仔有言語發展問題, 我就教佢在家時, 得閒同佢講多些野, 要慢些速度及發音準, 咀形誇張些; 仲要一定一定要小朋友跟佢講 (由其是係要求大人幫手或取物件時)

今日佢同我分享, 佢仔仔進步左好多 (前後係相差4個月乍), 昨天突然對住同事, 同事老公及 UNCLE 講: 媽媽你好嗎? 爸爸你好嗎? 叔叔你好嗎?

仲識問媽媽:
XX (小朋友自己既名) 單車呢? - 因為昨天帶佢去踩單車, 回家時問呢一句

仲識會叫大人:
媽媽過 o黎

見到街上人追巴士, 佢識講:
媽媽跑快 d

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