真道事件的我見

Nozomi

原帖由 littlefaith 於 10-11-24 01:02 發表

審計署事件中，最厲害係教育局，到目前為止完全置身事外，究竟審計署職責係審計政府部門，定係審計學校？我作為市民，都好混淆。

.........係審計政府資金有無如實運用

littlefaith

原帖由 Nozomi 於 10-11-24 01:13 發表

.........係審計政府資金有無如實運用

咁「非政府資金」嘅動用，點解審計署都要審計埋？

ANChan59

原帖由 littlefaith 於 10-11-24 01:02 發表

審計署事件中，最厲害係教育局，到目前為止完全置身事外，究竟審計署職責係審計政府部門，定係審計學校？我作為市民，都好混淆。

Eventually, AD audited how well EDB managed and monitored DSS's governance, financial & HR mangement etc. As media over-focused and biased on Logos and Michael Suen is so lucky as outsider.

Nozomi

原帖由 littlefaith 於 10-11-24 01:22 發表

咁「非政府資金」嘅動用，點解審計署都要審計埋？

非政府資金之動用，審計署冇可能都要審計埋

ANChan59

原帖由 Nozomi 於 10-11-24 01:36 發表

非政府資金之動用，審計署冇可能都要審計埋

If school booked all profit and loss in one book and not separated. Similar case for Jing Sun last year, Jing Sun School (funded by Govt) mixed with Jing Sun Association (not funded by Govt).

Nozomi

我由始至終都覺得孩子同家長都是受害人,尤其拜這個教育局的"德政"所賜
既然審計要爆校名出來,
被爆所謂"違規"的學校,為了他們的學生及家長,如有真憑實據白紙黑字的回應,出來澄清交代,,否認有關部門的無理指責,以正視聽,
保障他們己受害的孩子和家長.

[ 本帖最後由 Nozomi 於 10-11-24 02:02 編輯 ]

monkeydog

Hey Y2Kchild
Do you have legal sense and common sense at all?
私人名義為學校買物業???
Answer: The property beneficial owner is the school, not the principal himself since the property was bought. Principal is only the trustee. All trustees have no right to own underlying assests under law.
意途或企途公為私用
Answer: Those live in the properties are foreign teachers, not the principal.
獨立户口處理所有捐款之收支，絕不應混淆在任何其他户口之內
Answer: It is an tax arrangement for parents to get tax deduction of their charity donation.
And interestingly, I know you are very concerned about things happening around you as you said in your previous post...look forward to seeing your "valuable" comments on other DSS issues just released yestersday!  

原帖由 Y2KChild 於 10-11-24 09:17 發表
你有冇睇清楚我啲 post 呀，我 立場何來有唔問呀!
以下是我發表過有關真道事件之言論，睇清楚、想清楚及分析清楚先講啦!!!
我從不反對學校買物業或投資保值，我反對是意途或企途公為私用，任何情況也說不通要用私人名義為學 ...

monkeydog

I enjoy discussing with intelligent people with good analytical skill. But, can you do more homework before just quoting media report without independent thinking, you should not just limit yourself to this level...
如幾個月後樓價勁升...校監及校長是否還會要求校董會批准? 或是當作自己購買?
Principal is the trust of the properties since the properties were bought (witnessed by law firm), even it has profit from day 1, all profit will go back to school's pocket as school is the only beneficial onwer from day 1.
Principal has also talked about the plan to buy properties in parents' meeting before the purchase. Where is the integrity issue?
我一向以為只有認可的慈善團體接受了捐款才可發收據作扣稅用途，我有以下的問題, 真道書院是否一個認可的慈善團體？
These questions can be eaily answered by Inland Revenue Ordinace Section 88 and IRD list of chairty.
http://www.ird.gov.hk/eng/tax/ach.htm

原帖由 Y2KChild 於 10-11-24 10:19 發表
你個吓個腦先講啦!

我的法律常識、common sense 及分析力肯定高你好多啦!

//原帖由 cow 於 10-11-20 17:27 發表
將軍澳香港華人基督教聯會真道書院涉及購買 ...

mask2010

原帖由 monkeydog 於 10-11-24 11:52 發表
I enjoy discussing with intelligent people with good analytical skill. But, can you do more homework before just quoting media report without independent thinking, you should not just limit yourself t ...

Monkeydog,

多謝你咁有耐性同D不可理喻o既人解釋,但是還是慳番啖氣,D人點極都唔明,有乜好講.

乜嘢叫做"見到嗰小朋友被人傷害,唔通唔制止 ....呢D叫公義" 簡直打橫呢講. 個小朋友被人傷害係你發現
o既咩?已經有人處理緊,你就係旁邊嘈嘈閉,呢D叫做 "阻差辦工"呀,明白未 (你o既口頭蟬)?

報章已宣佈立法會(財務委員會)會係11月29日審理這件事情,何用你再多聲氣,講呢講去"三幅被",你唔煩,人地都煩.  你成日以為得你一個人有腦, 一副 "眾人皆醉我獨醒"o既姿態,多令人討厭啊!駛唔駛叫立法會預留一個位讓你暢所欲言,大發歪論呀!

BK版主開這個平台是給家長們分享育兒教仔心得,讓大家都有裨益,個個都是贏家,不是給你做出口傷人的工具.

你不但無理性咁侮辱真道書院校監,校長,還有一眾理性o既家長,行為令人髮指.忠告你不要再扮演"正義超人"的角色,因為我們一點也察覺不到你的正義感呢!!!

cow

Monkeydog,
You always say someone has no legal sense. But I just doubt about your legal sensor.
You said, "Principal is the trust of the properties ...", and you also said,"All trustees have no right to own underlying assests under law." Please go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trust_law before you are going on the discussion.
I think you just made things confuse (愈幫愈忙).
In this case, Principal Yau is not a trust (a legal document) but a trustee, who legally holds the properties.

littlefaith

原帖由 monkeydog 於 10-11-24 11:52 發表
I enjoy discussing with intelligent people with good analytical skill. But, can you do more homework before just quoting media report without independent thinking, you should not just limit yourself t ...

monkeydog,
多謝你，嗰個Y2KChild明顯只不過一知半解，就扮到好似知道好多嘢咁，好正義咁响度發表謬論，令人忍唔住笑。

littlefaith

原帖由 cow 於 10-11-24 13:16 發表
Monkeydog,
You always say someone has no legal sense. But I just doubt about your legal sensor.
You said, "Principal is the trust of the properties ...", and you also said,"All trustees have no right  ...

昨晚丘校長已經向家長澄清他並不擁有業權，詳情可向負責律師查詢。(cow你沒出席家長晚會嗎？)

myrchan

對! 要一般人搞清楚「實益擁有人」與「名義上的擁有人」之別, 並非易事。「名義上的擁有人」得個名架咋, 唔可以賣樓後將錢放入自己袋, 律師樓做買賣要查契, 就係要仔細查信託、按揭等細節, 知清楚誰才是「實益擁有人」,一有咩唔妥發現, 律師要第一時間提出, 唔係律師樓做單樓宇買賣收咁貴咩...
先不說信任某人與否, 但香港的法律制度, 還可相信吧。

原帖由 littlefaith 於 10-11-24 13:33 發表

昨晚丘校長已經向家長澄清他並不擁有業權，詳情可向負責律師查詢。(cow你沒出席家長晚會嗎？)

KKK18

原帖由 littlefaith 於 10-11-24 13:33 發表

昨晚丘校長已經向家長澄清他並不擁有業權，詳情可向負責律師查詢。(cow你沒出席家長晚會嗎？)

請問校長如何澄清說他不擁有業權？可以講得祥細點嗎？

就咁去土地注冊處做search就當然查不到他有業權。查到的應該是trustee擁有的有限公司，但如果他是trustee, 他絕對有權隨時將層樓賣出套現然後將現金存到任何私人戶口。咁算唔算擁有業權？

ANChan59

原帖由 littlefaith 於 10-11-24 13:33 發表

昨晚丘校長已經向家長澄清他並不擁有業權，詳情可向負責律師查詢。(cow你沒出席家長晚會嗎？)

Littlefaith

cow just highlighted monkeydog may confused the definition of trust (document) and trustee (holding person) in his/her previous posts, cow means Principal Yau as trustee and not trust.

cow

Am I correct?

[ 本帖最後由 ANChan59 於 10-11-24 13:56 編輯 ]

monkeydog

It is my typo... I wanted to say Principal Yau is trustee, not trust.
Guys, don't argue on my typo. I am not confused with the definition of trust, trustee and beneficial owners at all. This is what I learnt in Company Law.  
"The trustees owe a fiduciary duty to the beneficiaries, who are the "beneficial" owners of the trust property."
Fiduciary means...
In such a relation good conscience requires one to act at all times for the sole benefit and interests of another, with loyalty to those interests.

原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-11-24 13:55 發表


Littlefaith

cow just highlighted monkeydog may confused the definition of trust (document) and trustee (holding person) in his/her previous posts, cow means Principal Yau as trustee and not trust.  ...

monkeydog

It is my typo... I wanted to say Principal Yau is trustee, not trust.
Guys, don't argue on my typo. I am not confused with the definition of trust, trustee and beneficial owners at all. This is what I learnt in Company Law.  
"The trustees owe a fiduciary duty to the beneficiaries, who are the "beneficial" owners of the trust property."
Fiduciary means...
In such a relation good conscience requires one to act at all times for the sole benefit and interests of another, with loyalty to those interests.

原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-11-24 13:55 發表


Littlefaith

cow just highlighted monkeydog may confused the definition of trust (document) and trustee (holding person) in his/her previous posts, cow means Principal Yau as trustee and not trust.  ...