Perfect Pitch / Absolute Pitch

THRY

是否所有學樂器的小朋友都可聽準音調 (即無論你按鋼琴上哪1個鍵, 她都可單憑聽覺說出其正確音調?  Any Advantage / Disadvantage?

[ 本帖最後由 THRY 於 08-10-12 16:10 編輯 ]

Hipuppy

我估細細個學應該唔難.我個大女4歲開始學琴,雖然無咩特別既天份,但聽音都好準 .

原帖由 THRY 於 08-10-12 15:02 發表
是否所有學樂器的小朋友都可聽準音調 (即無論你按鋼琴上哪1個鍵, 她都可單憑聽覺說出其正確音調?  Any Advantage / Disadvantage?

KnN

原帖由 THRY 於 08-10-12 03:02 PM 發表
是否所有學樂器的小朋友都可聽準音調 (即無論你按鋼琴上哪1個鍵, 她都可單憑聽覺說出其正確音調?  Any Advantage / Disadvantage?

我仔就唔睇譜, 聽完記左就彈, 睇譜極之咁差. 差到你忟.

foolish.mom

Many years ago, I thought that all kids who started learning musical instrument at an early age could have absolute pitch. Some years ago, I had some aural classes for some children who all learnt piano. I discovered that less than 1/4 had absolute pitch.

According to the difinition, absolute pitch is inborn. However, if a child doesn't learn music at an early age, this ability (gift) will disappear.

Musicians who have absolute pitch have many advantages. Aural test is a piece of cake for them. Good for learning string instruments also.

THRY

Thanks for comment.

ANC

咁有什麼方法可以訓練?

原帖由 foolish.mom 於 08-10-13 21:27 發表
Many years ago, I thought that all kids who started learning musical instrument at an early age could have absolute pitch. Some years ago, I had some aural classes for some children who all learnt pia ...

Charlotte_mom

我個女學左幾年琴, 一路都無人留意佢係唔係perfect pitch, 我亦唔識呢d野
直到考2級, 要彈scale, 但我女成日轉錯手指, 跟住老師發現原來我女係perfect pitch(即如果d major, 佢聽落根本唔係drmfsltd, 而係rmfsltdr), 唔怪得成日攪錯轉手指方法......
老師話, 學到高級會著數好多wor........

如果學小提琴等弦樂, perfect pitch就更重要啦(因為拉個音準唔準就靠個player自己聽呀)

littlecat

教我囝囝樂理老師同我講話囝囝屬於perfect pitch, 囝囝自小聽音好準, 個音差少少都聽得出, 而老師彈任何一個音佢都講得出. 佢好鍾意背譜, 仲好快, 但我覺得又唔係咁好, 懶睇譜, d拍子好易錯, 其實佢音樂方面都唔錯, 但可惜佢次次考樂器時, 由於太過緊張,影響成績.

KnN

原帖由 littlecat 於 08-10-14 04:40 PM 發表
教我囝囝樂理老師同我講話囝囝屬於perfect pitch, 囝囝自小聽音好準, 個音差少少都聽得出, 而老師彈任何一個音佢都講得出. 佢好鍾意背譜, 仲好快, 但我覺得又唔係咁好, 懶睇譜, d拍子好易錯, 其實佢音樂方面都唔錯,  ...

老師有無話咩方法幫到佢?
我仔都有呢d情況. 記左個melody, 咩指法都唔跟, 好多時"制造"晒所有音出黎就算(拍子佢都岩既), 但彈新歌第一下就好忟, 彈極都錯, 唔睇譜撞到岩音為止.....考試佢d sight reading c 梗..

foolish.mom

ANC,
I remember that some researchers said perfect pitch is in-born. If this is correct, it cannot be trained. However, we still know little about human brain. I cannot say that ears (aural ability) cannot be trained.
Firstly, do you know how your kid thinks of music?
1. by CDEFGAB, or 2. drmfslt
e.g. when thinking of how to play a E major: by method 1, it becomes E F# G# A B C# D# E, by method 2, it is drmfsltd
A person with perfect pitch will always use method 1. Go and check with your kid.

Sindy

原帖由 Charlotte_mom 於 08-10-14 15:50 發表
如果學小提琴等弦樂, perfect pitch就更重要啦(因為拉個音準唔準就靠個player自己聽呀)

聽得準,仲要按得準,係兩件事,兩樣都搞掂,仲要肯改先得,hahaha,我個女成日錯既地方好準.......佢係知道唔啱,但唔改,無乎...........有人都話我女係perfect pitch,但我覺得係train返黎,我女都係轉做cdefgab的,連b同c中間都聽得出,我覺得同佢細過時,練琴時,成日彈邊個音就up邊個音有關,不知不覺就記熟左

authenticseelai

I was told that EVERYBODY is borned with perfect pitch ability, like any other ability, some stronger and some less strong.

Perfect pitch ability is inborn but will depreciate when human beings start learning languages. We need to shift our attention to the area we focus and the areas that are not used often, will gradually lose their power.

Music / listening training will help keep this ability.

But not every piano learner can keep this ability as most teachers simply focus on teaching playing the piano, with no listening practice.

THRY

My son is learning Piano and Violin, but terrible on the articulation of Piano pieces because he never go through it carefully.   For Violin, he almost have problem in double pitch, I don't know whether it is the problem from perfect pitch.

ANC

foolishmom,

多謝你回覆!

anc

原帖由 foolish.mom 於 08-10-14 22:45 發表
ANC,
I remember that some researchers said perfect pitch is in-born. If this is correct, it cannot be trained. However, we still know little about human brain. I cannot say that ears (aural ability) c ...

KnN

原帖由 THRY 於 08-10-15 12:50 PM 發表
My son is learning Piano and Violin, but terrible on the articulation of Piano pieces because he never go through it carefully.   For Violin, he almost have problem in double pitch, I don't know wheth ...

double pitch ?? double stop ?? 雙音?
我自己(piano最高/低8度認唔到, 拉violin)拉琴就無呢個雙音問題, 會認到例如A同C , F# 同D 咁樣, 3個音就分唔晒, 除非撞左音.
你仔仔係咪聽drmfsltd 果d? 拉雙音錯sharp, flat? 例如major 3rd 聽左minor 3rd咁樣, 都係"和"既, 但唔岩音

foolish.mom

THRY,
Try this: You play an internal on the piano (2 notes together) and ask your son to tell you the letter names of the 2 notes. If he is correct, he is absolute pitch and can distinguish at least 2 notes together (my son can name 3 to 4 notes played together, no matter they are in the same chord or unrelated).
Then, problems on playing double notes on violin are just because of not enough practice. My boy had the same problem before. Boys tend to skip or run roughly over the piece of music even when they know the sound is not quite correct, because it is difficult for them.
My boy's problem is lessened now, after a few months and practising more related studies and etudes. As far as I know, possessing absolute pitch ability has no disadvantage in music. My boy's piano teacher admires my boy very much because he has this ability.

原帖由 THRY 於 08-10-15 12:50 發表
My son is learning Piano and Violin, but terrible on the articulation of Piano pieces because he never go through it carefully.   For Violin, he almost have problem in double pitch, I don't know wheth ...

foolish.mom

THRY,
One more point: Maybe the teacher tried to tell your son that the double notes are not in harmony when he played them wrong and your son cannot tell the difference.
People without absolute pitch will judge the pitch (correct or not) by relative to something else, like the key note, and rely on harmony.
People with absolute pitch judge the pitch by its absolute sound (that's why the term absolute).
Their processes inside their brains are different.

原帖由 THRY 於 08-10-15 12:50 發表
My son is learning Piano and Violin, but terrible on the articulation of Piano pieces because he never go through it carefully.   For Violin, he almost have problem in double pitch, I don't know wheth ...

THRY

Hi, foolish.mom

Thanks for your valuable reminding.

I will ask him to try.

THRY

THRY

hi KnN,

he can judge major and minor w/o problem woo.  I guess it was caused by insufficient practice.

Thanks

THRY