TSL secondary allocation

Tommum

According to some mums, the TSL secondary allocation to Band 1 school is only 30-40% per year.  Why still so many parents would like their kids to study in TSL?

kaifu

Just had a chance to view some campus TV progams at their website.  The spoken english proficiency of the TSL students is actually quite impressive.  Some Indian students do not have any accent at all.

G-Ma

其實真係做international business都唔係個個外國人都字正腔圓, 英文都唔一定好, 因為有好多都有佢地自己既母語, 可能係德文, 法文, 西班牙文, 英文都係佢地既2nd language.  所以最緊要首先要識得聽, 敢講, 敢表達, 當然可以有鬼佬口音就更好啦, 不過我都覺得一分錢一分貨, tsl 同 cky 係好難比較.  但本地學校可以做到tsl既英語環境已經係好唔錯.

kyliema2006

口音是很難界定好與壞，英國北部的口音難聽過乜，所以我覺得其實孩子能培育出no accent就已經是100分了。

TSL的英語環境在本地學校中算是很好的了，雖然有些教師的口音可能較重，其實很多本地學校，就算是中學英語老師的口音都很重的，因為資源所限，所以亦不能太強求。但最重要是學校能令孩子自然以英語交流，就已經是優勢了。

就如一些家長所言，以TSL與CKY比較實在有點不公平，因為CKY的體制及資源投放與TSL都不同，而CKY亦不會參與334，所以很難比較。所以喜歡本地教育的家長，TSL已是一個不錯的選擇呢！

mamimummy

"一分錢一分貨" ---- 只可形容Native 的多少, 與教學質素無關.   更應尊重老師.    小學老師最重要係同學生的關係, 懂得鼓勵佢地.    對於小學生, 一個有耐心ke老師重要過一個native ke教授.

HK而家好多native teacher speak with their own country’s GOOD accent, 令人好頭痛. D 小朋友ke accent 好似聯合國咁, 但d人唔介意, 因為比左好多錢.   但講深一層, 其實我地要ke係佢地肯講, 敢表達.    HK高官, 名校校長有幾多個accent真係好!  語言ke作用係先表達, 唔係做show.

唔介意講句, HK一般HK人讀得ke國際學校d 學生係一口所謂外國accent, 但New York  同 New York City都差好遠. 莫講KING Language.   說話最重要係斯文, 清楚, 用字精確.

有錢都要衡量好多利弊, 各行其是. 仔女是自己的, 取向是父母的.



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原帖由 belle 於 08-12-2 22:43 發表
I totally agree with you "一分錢一分貨". If you were rich, would TSL be your first choice??"  If no, why???
If yes, I think TSL is really a dream school, go for it and I believe your son can study the ...

[ 本帖最後由 mamimummy 於 08-12-3 16:02 編輯 ]

babywitchwitch

Obviously Belle believe "quei lo accent" is "good accent" and "quei lo teacher" must be good at English.

原帖由 silvia_ng 於 08-12-2 23:30 發表


totally agree!!!!!!
"net" 真係好懶好麻煩 好net難求! btw, 我點都唔信所有好net去哂cky

catcatmom

我中學同學n年前去了星加坡做野, 後尾仲嫁鬼埋比波佬, 佢話星加坡一般人講既英文係singalish, 但佢同公司既行政人員開會, 佢地英文不至於講到鬼佬甘! 但字正腔圓. 唔好o林佢地既英文好似 "小孩不笨" 甘喎!

silvia_ng

原帖由 kaifu 於 08-12-2 22:52 發表
We may not be rich but CKY is affordable to us.  Still we picked TSL over CKY for many reasons.  

We happened to know a local teacher leaving a school with 50% "NET" teachers and 50% local teachers ( ...

totally agree!!!!!!
"net" 真係好懶好麻煩 好net難求! btw, 我點都唔信所有好net去哂cky

kaifu

there is no such thing as a good accent or bad accent.  Native speakers speak with their own accents, even if they are coming from the same country.  I am not sure what kind of good accent you are refering to?  

原帖由 belle 於 08-12-2 22:50 發表
I agree with you that not all teachers in CKY is NET teacher.  During the interview, I saw both Western and Chinese teachers, and their English are so good.  The CHinese teacher also has good accent.  ...

kaifu

We may not be rich but CKY is affordable to us.  Still we picked TSL over CKY for many reasons.  

We happened to know a local teacher leaving a school with 50% "NET" teachers and 50% local teachers (not CKY, but a school with similar teaching style).  She said that all the NET teachers were high-paid but they did not care a lot about administration, discipline, student caring and all those work are left for the local teachers with lower salary.  The morale among the local teachers was very poor.  
Please don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting that CKY is neccessarily like that.  My point is, having too many NET teachers in a school may not neccessarily be translated to good teaching.  

原帖由 belle 於 08-12-2 22:43 發表
I totally agree with you "一分錢一分貨". If you were rich, would TSL be your first choice??"  If no, why???
If yes, I think TSL is really a dream school, go for it and I believe your son can study the ...

[ 本帖最後由 kaifu 於 08-12-2 23:01 編輯 ]

silvia_ng

原帖由 belle 於 08-12-2 22:43 發表
I totally agree with you "一分錢一分貨". If you were rich, would TSL be your first choice??"  If no, why???
If yes, I think TSL is really a dream school, go for it and I believe your son can study the ...

哈哈....有錢就當然去英國讀啦! 唔洗留係香港做填鴨仔填鴨妹

kaifu

Did you mean all or most TSL teahers are not good at English?  Or was it just the case that you happened to hear a few teachers not speaking good english?   Make sure you have enough evidences before making a generalized claim like that, otherwise you are bad-mouthing the school and hurting the teachers, parents, and students there.  
I am sure even in those brand name schools it is not difficult to find teachers with bad english, including secondary schools and universities.   

By the way, are you sure that all english teachers at CKY are native speakers?  I heard that it was not the case (but I could be wrong though).  

原帖由 belle 於 08-12-2 22:18 發表
I think both of you misunderstand my point.  I said teachers in TSL are not good at English.  Teachers in TSL do not equal to all local teachers in other school.  

On the open day, I heard the conver ...

[ 本帖最後由 kaifu 於 08-12-2 22:42 編輯 ]

silvia_ng

原帖由 belle 於 08-12-2 22:18 發表
I think both of you misunderstand my point.  I said teachers in TSL are not good at English.  Teachers in TSL do not equal to all local teachers in other school.  

On the open day, I heard the conver ...

我覺得你將tsl及cky相比, 係不太公平。一分錢一分貨, cky幾多錢一個月, tsl幾多錢一個月? 學校可以affort請幾多個外籍老師呢? 我唔認為有口音 = 教得唔好。新加坡英文都有新加坡口音, 但係佢地肯講, 肯用, 自然流暢。
香港老師教英文都有好處既, 佢地知道本地小朋友既弱點, 又比外籍老師肯做, 勤力。我仔仔而家幼稚園, 有小學, 佢地有28個外籍老師, 但幾錢學費呢? 又係好貴。
小朋友會唔會同其他種族既人有機會用英文, 唔只係睇佢地係唔係玩埋一齊。有d project都可能有機會要佢地合作, 咁大家自然有交流啦!
你係openday stay左幾耐? 同幾多個老師/聽到幾多個老師講英文? 如果單憑一日就話人地學校老師英文唔得, 又點會有成25xx幾人去考呢?
我唸有心讀tsl / 讀緊tsl既家長, 一定係有信心將小朋友交比佢地, 知道佢地會提供一個良好語境比佢地學習語言。至於佢地派成點, 考試考成點, 都係各自小朋友既造化, 父母既照顧培育。
我都唔知我仔等日適唔適應tsl, 唔知佢派成點, 但絕不會因為一兩次而話人地老師唔好....
鬼叫我窮....冇得比個仔去cky & 國際學校佢讀 唯有平平地讀住先啦...

kaifu

Belle,
In fact, most brand-name schools, e.g. La Salle, DGS, DBS, Marymount, are english schools mainly taught by local teachers with HK accent.   Their students also talk to each other mainly in Cantonese.  Would you question their English standard (students and teachers) in the same way?  

原帖由 ljsze 於 08-12-2 21:30 發表
belle

If you can afford to send your kid to CKY, I also agree it's a good choice.  Yet, there are very very few schools in HK with that many NET teachers & yet the English standard of the kids may be ...

ljsze

belle

If you can afford to send your kid to CKY, I also agree it's a good choice.  Yet, there are very very few schools in HK with that many NET teachers & yet the English standard of the kids may be as good (except the accent that we can hardly pick up).  And, I don't think local teachers are worse off.

I agree with G-ma.  Nowadays, we don't only count on the teachers.  We should be actively involved in the learning of our kids.