身邊多唔多人借地址抽中第一志願

ShinTeresa

我都識人住kwun tong 入左maryknoll 佢都講明借人add

原帖由 cherriemama 於 10-6-13 23:48 發表
I know one of my friends also bingo in Maryknoll this year!

overview

又會有人咁蠢, 借地址都話比人知 ?

原帖由 ShinTeresa 於 10-6-14 14:17 發表
我都識人住kwun tong 入左maryknoll 佢都講明借人add  

TelleTelleMom

I live in net 41.  I received a letter from education dept asking me to submit further proof of my address.  Finally my son was allocated to a school in Wong Tai Sin.

原帖由 o^^o 於 10-6-14 12:06 發表
其實係政府特登默許人咁做, 佢如果有心杜絶, 只要改變提交文件種類,例如租約,差餉之類就得啦!
所以出聲冇用, 咁如果去平機會投訴又得唔得呢?舉報要咩資料?我都唔知佢個小朋友叫咩名 ...

tracytang

可能真係唔出奇.  個個身邊都有lee d case 發現.

原帖由 traeh 於 10-6-14 12:21 發表
三成咁得人驚？！！

ac321

It is because we may visit their flat before. Therefore, we know that they are not living in the area they 抽 for primary school.

原帖由 overview 於 10-6-14 14:48 發表
又會有人咁蠢, 借地址都話比人知 ?

ac321

佢地可以就近入學唔駛山長水遠，可能仲開心
=> I think if they don't need to study in school, they may be more happy (for kids)!!!!!!

It is their own choice (山長水遠入學 or 就近入學).

It is unfair for the education nets. Why some kids can study in 'good' school if they live around? Why some kids can't because they are not living around?

They all pay tax for HKG! They should have equal chance to study in their 'ideal' school.

P.S. How can make sure that if you rent a flat around, you will lives in the same address in the coming 6 years?????????

原帖由 traeh 於 10-6-14 12:12 發表
咁又未必係害咗小朋友，佢地可以就近入學唔駛山長水遠，可能仲開心。如果佢能力okay，第二年都可以轉讀更適合嘅學校。覺得受害嘅係家長多啲，不過出得嚟借地址，都預咗會有今日啦。

...

ac321

most of the cases are using brothers/sisters/grandparents address.

原帖由 tracytang 於 10-6-14 15:29 發表
可能真係唔出奇.  個個身邊都有lee d case 發現.

traeh

點先公平？呢個問題永遠無圓滿答案。你話it is their own choice去山長水遠返學，但亦有好多人選擇就近入學，唔想下下坐成個鐘車，由天水圍去柴灣返學。但如果全港任抽，肯定有人屋企附近的學位，比"their own choice"嘅人霸咗，被迫遠離自己所住地區。係咪咁叫公平？

其實大抽獎甲部都比你跨區㗎，住邊區都可以抽任何學校。反正整個程序都係靠抽，如果你有運，甲部都一樣會比你抽得中；無運者，間學校係正隔離都一樣入唔到。

你話點先叫公平？

原帖由 ac321 於 10-6-14 16:47 發表
佢地可以就近入學唔駛山長水遠，可能仲開心
=> I think if they don't need to study in school, they may be more happy (for kids)!!!!!!

It is their own choice (山長水遠入學 or 就近入學).

It is unfair for  ...

ac321

呢個問題永遠無圓滿答案 => yes, it has.
If everyone has the same/equal chance
=>fair
If someone has larger chance then others
=>unfair

P.S.
I get the benifits in this unfair system. It is because I (and my husband) studied in net 34 primary schools. Therefore, I don't need to worry about the address (I live in net 95) as I can add points as grad. student in round 1.
However, I find a lot of my friends try to 借地址抽 to increases the chance for their kids to study in their 'ideal' school. At the same time, a lot of schools complain that they can't chose their students by themselves....... Then, I feel the 'game' is unfair!

What I worry is: if the game keep continuous, all / most of the 'best' school don't join the game and becomes 直資 / 私立.
Then, only the rich people can study in 'good' school as they have $. And the poor can't as they can't support school fee!  

原帖由 traeh 於 10-6-14 17:00 發表
點先公平？呢個問題永遠無圓滿答案。你話it is their own choice去山長水遠返學，但亦有好多人選擇就近入學，唔想下下坐成個鐘車，由天水圍去柴灣返學。但如果全港任抽，肯定有人屋企附近的學位，比"their own choice"嘅人霸咗，被 ...

[ 本帖最後由 ac321 於 10-6-14 17:18 編輯 ]

ac321

for most of people:
fair => when they get benefits in the game.
unfair => when they can't get any benefits.

as a third person:
fair => everyone get equal chance

原帖由 traeh 於 10-6-14 17:00 發表
點先公平？呢個問題永遠無圓滿答案。你話it is their own choice去山長水遠返學，但亦有好多人選擇就近入學，唔想下下坐成個鐘車，由天水圍去柴灣返學。但如果全港任抽，肯定有人屋企附近的學位，比"their own choice"嘅人霸咗，被 ...

TelleTelleMom

I agreed.  My girl got a place in an ideal school 3 years ago but my son got a place out of our area and the school is far from good.  

The game is unfair.  1st round -- why children who have connection with the school can have a bigger chance.  2nd round -- why children who are living around can have a bigger chance.  There is nothing relating to the ability or suitability of the children.  
The situation induce some parents move to the area or using a false address.

I think the best way is let both the parents and schools have the right to choose.  At least we don't need to play the game for a year's time.  We can enjoy the summer holiday and get ready for the new school life.

原帖由 ac321 於 10-6-14 17:21 發表
for most of people:
fair => when they get benefits in the game.
unfair => when they can't get any benefits.

as a third person:
fair => everyone get equal chance

traeh

咁點先guarantee人人equal chance?

理論上，全民大抽獎係公平，但係咪最適合？真係要小朋友由天水圍去柴灣返學，就係最公平？

又有人提出覺得自己小朋友有過人之處，點解會派去一間唔理想的學校，點解唔係以小朋友能力去派位？大抽獎只靠運氣，唔係能者居之，係另一種不公平。

如果靠面試筆試，好似TelleTelleMom咁講，let both the parents and schools have the right to choose，又係咪公平？首先小朋友要drill一輪去面試，已經實有人話苦了孩子；另外，一定有人話要入某某學校，要靠人事，靠有錢，靠家庭背境．．．當學校有收生權時，都會被指有不公平情況。

原帖由 ac321 於 10-6-14 17:13 發表
呢個問題永遠無圓滿答案 => yes, it has.
If everyone has the same/equal chance
=>fair
If someone has larger chance then others
=>unfair

P.S.
I get the benifits in this unfair system. It is because I  ...

panbaby

入名校的超過一半都不是借住在校網內...

往往真住的慘死, 不住或借的就掂, 越好的校網越離過份...

naoch

There is no fair in the world...my point of view!

Did you read the news on 5 June: A Chinese woman who applied the working visa to HK, and she only applied - she said, only one school ~ La Salle, then her son finally got the place. You see, what is fair game?!

原帖由 panbaby 於 10-6-14 18:25 發表
入名校的超過一半都不是借住在校網內...

往往真住的慘死, 不住或借的就掂, 越好的校網越離過份...

TelleTelleMom

But the fact is most of the parents do apply for DSS and private schools as back up and if the result of central allocation is not good (or even good) then they will knock door again ... so the children still need to drill and face the presure of inteview.  What I mean is to shorten the length of the game and save the manpower.  Maybe the gov't can set up a system to avoid parents holding more than one school place until a particular time so that the other children and get a place and settle down as soon as possible.

原帖由 traeh 於 10-6-14 18:23 發表
咁點先guarantee人人equal chance?

理論上，全民大抽獎係公平，但係咪最適合？真係要小朋友由天水圍去柴灣返學，就係最公平？

又有人提出覺得自己小朋友有過人之處，點解會派去一間唔理想的學校，點解唔係以小朋友能力去派位？大抽 ...

traeh

I like your suggestion, and I also think the govt should release the lucky draw results earlier to shorten the anxious wait, as well as allow more time for the parents and kids to prepare for whatever the result is.

原帖由 TelleTelleMom 於 10-6-14 18:52 發表
What I mean is to shorten the length of the game and save the manpower.  Maybe the gov't can set up a system to avoid parents holding more than one school place until a particular time so that the other children and get a place and settle down as soon as possible.

o^^o

"就近入學"基本上係一個學位分配方法,同公唔公平未關係,
如果你話只要交咗稅,就應該有權不擇手段去入讀你心儀的學校,咁就錯,政府從來冇將學校分類, 只係分區, 冇人話過邊間係名校, 係有人唔係住該區但走去抽人地啲學校, 問題就係呢度, 係有人違反遊戲規則,變相損害了別人應有的權益, 你可以控訴政府呢個分配方法唔make sence唔全面, 但只要你參與這個遊戲,就不能違反遊戲規則,可悲的是政府沒有做好監控責任

[ 本帖最後由 o^^o 於 10-6-14 23:02 編輯 ]