Unfairness in Religion Mark and Parent relation Mark

Ving

If my children cannot enter good P1 school due to he is inferior to others in (Language, Music, EQ, Politeness), then I have nothing to say and accept.

But if due to religion + Parent relations, (e.g., the problem disclosed in York Kindergarten), then I really think that HK Education system is dead. What's your view on it?

ANChan59

Believe in God is a personal thing, don't focus on people.

thomasha

I am not sure what type of "preference" your school inclined towards believers.  In my primary school, I did not see any noticeable preference.

原帖由 Anpanmama 於 10-10-2 15:06 發表
尋日睇過一篇報導, 係一啲宗教人士, 都覺得果5分係無必要存在。
佢話情願多啲非教徒就讀, 佢地可以傳道同令更多人信主, 呢啲先係教會辨學嘅原意。 我非常贊成。
我由幼稚園到中學都係教會學校, 但選擇唔入教, 非我不 ...

thomasha

True.  That's why an assessment by the church the parent belongs to (not just the school) is advisable. Not only can the parent's date and validity of baptism can be certified, but also his/her involvement in the church and its activities which are more objective indication of the parent's religious belief.  

I guess I should not have used the term "true believers" because it is a spiritual thing; I would replace it with "believers who truly carry and implement beliefs of the church the parent belongs to".  

It's meaningless to count the child's religious belief. Everyone knows it is somewhat imposed or influenced by the parent(s).  

原帖由 littlefaith 於 10-10-2 14:07 發表


Agree. Actually it is not sufficient to prove whether one is true believer or not only by how many years he has become Christian. :D

Anpanmama

尋日睇過一篇報導, 係一啲宗教人士, 都覺得果5分係無必要存在。
佢話情願多啲非教徒就讀, 佢地可以傳道同令更多人信主, 呢啲先係教會辨學嘅原意。 我非常贊成。
我由幼稚園到中學都係教會學校, 但選擇唔入教, 非我不信主, 而是不服氣, 學校對教徒那種偏坦。

ANChan59

原帖由 mattsmum 於 10-10-2 14:37 發表
Would there be anyone trying to complaint that there is discrimination?

Another diaster after boys and girls discrimination. More and more girls in Band 1 schools and more and more girls in universities.......

Just use discrimination to ignore the difference of the development of boys and girls.

Church school provides better education because of the faith, value, commitment and love etc and not just simply focus on academic.

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Anpanmama

原帖由 fatherfather 於 10-10-1 19:27 發表
可以修定，初信不計分，要起碼３至４年才計算

或者，係取消有關計算。

可免有關幼稚園發家長財，真係不知所謂。。
一個字，個校長貪婪。

佢已經犯了十誡之一，不可貪婪 ...

5歲幾人仔邊得嚟有3-4年嘅入教年資呀？ 即係一出世入教先計分係咪？

mattsmum

Thank you,

Would there be anyone trying to complaint that there is discrimination?

littlefaith

原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-10-2 13:52 發表


Sorry, only God can judge who is the true believers.

Agree. Actually it is not sufficient to prove whether one is true believer or not only by how many years he has become Christian. :D

ANChan59

原帖由 thomasha 於 10-10-2 13:47 發表
I think verification of the certificate itself is not sufficient, especially when some parents are trying so hard to get one.  There must be more to prove they are true believers.

Sorry, only God can judge who is the true believers.

ANChan59

原帖由 mattsmum 於 10-10-2 12:08 發表
is the verification process carried out by school (maybe DSS) or by central allocation office ( for most non-DSS schools)?

My son's Primary school was not DSS, the admission officer reviewed that according to their guideline. Certificate + recommendation letter from the church. The 5 pt only subject to self selection procedure, not lucky draw.

thomasha

I think verification of the certificate itself is not sufficient, especially when some parents are trying so hard to get one.  There must be more to prove they are true believers.

原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-10-2 12:07 發表


Be honest, I think most schools verify the certificate, esp hot schools.

nicolemummy

一語中的! 佩服!

原帖由 edf 於 10-10-2 13:27 發表
其實這個制度都幾合理，就是教徒可讀教會學校，學校和家長有相同的教學理念，之不過有太多非信徒想讀教會名校，但又掙扎不想做教徒，才是問題所在

edf

[其實這個制度都幾合理，就是教徒可讀教會學校，學校和家長有相同的教學理念，之不過有太多非信徒想讀教會名校，但又爭扎不想做教徒，才是問題所在。quote]原帖由 Ving 於 10-10-1 13:12 發表
If my children cannot enter good P1 school due to he is inferior to others in (Language, Music, EQ, Politeness), then I have nothing to say and accept.

But if due to religion + Parent relations, (e.g ... [/quote]

mattsmum

is the verification process carried out by school (maybe DSS) or by central allocation office ( for most non-DSS schools)?

ANChan59

原帖由 thomasha 於 10-10-2 12:00 發表
The lack of transparency of schools' requirements and verification procedures in awarding the 5 marks gave the headteacher a chance to take advantage of parents with ulterior motives.  

Theoretically ...

Be honest, I think most schools verify the certificate, esp hot schools.

thomasha

The lack of transparency of schools' requirements and verification procedures in awarding the 5 marks gave the headteacher a chance to take advantage of parents with ulterior motives.  

Theoretically, if schools can implement more stringent verification procedures, fake believers can be largely eliminated.  I think the extra effort is worthwhile in ensuring true believers are taken and saving future trouble.

原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-10-2 11:34 發表
In York's case, we should blame the headteacher and not just the parents.

Her ethical value as an educator........

ANChan59

In York's case, we should blame the headteacher and not just the parents.

Her ethical value as an educator........

ANChan59

In most forum, parents responses are emotional and impulsive, miss an important part to verify the factual information, like how different religions handle the 5 scores....... even without religious scores, the number of applicants >>>> vacancies. if you don't have any proper connection with the school, the chance is slim.

Look at DBSPD, over-subscribed 16+ times. My friend is old boys from DBS, he and his son also need dog fight to compete for a seat...... From 2011 onward, DBSPD only considers the old boys score in 2nd interview, but it's tough for them to be shortlisted in 2nd interview.