用戶登入
用戶名稱:
密      碼:
搜索
教育王國 討論區 海外留學 英國讀醫
樓主: newbkmember
go

英國讀醫 [複製鏈接]

Rank: 5Rank: 5


1746
21#
發表於 15-7-9 16:43 |只看該作者
回覆 Shootastar 的帖子

Thx Shootastar for yr clarification. 如果𣎴是英藉可以入讀醫科再留在英國工作嗎?

Rank: 5Rank: 5


1746
22#
發表於 15-7-9 16:45 |只看該作者
出左怪符號,我的問題是:如果不是英藉,可以讀英國醫科再留在英國工作嗎?

Rank: 8Rank: 8


19213
23#
發表於 15-7-9 16:49 |只看該作者

引用:Each+year,+the+3+local+law+faculties+wou

原帖由 Shootastar 於 15-07-09 發表
Each year, the 3 local law faculties would reserve more than 100 PCLL spots for overseas law graduat ...
請問100個PCLL佔總數幾多?朋友孩子3年前lB唔夠40分,去英國讀法律,現CU收了下學年讀PCLL,真替他高興



Rank: 6Rank: 6


9871
24#
發表於 15-7-9 17:20 |只看該作者
poonseelai 發表於 15-7-9 16:49
請問100個PCLL佔總數幾多?朋友孩子3年前lB唔夠40分,去英國讀法律,現CU收了下學年讀PCLL,真替他高興



  ...
根據我女講,港大生都會target 番 港大 PCL ...如果走去報CU , CityU PCL 會好樣衰,而且都未必會收,所以唔會咁做。而港大 PCL 主要收 Oxbridge 讀完 BCL回港的 Law students.,自己 HKU 的 law students, 同 HKU 的 JD students。
BCL 即是英國的 PCL ..要讀完先可以在英國執業。

所以港大 PCL ,係一位難求。唔top都入唔到。

Rank: 6Rank: 6


9871
25#
發表於 15-7-9 17:26 |只看該作者
亮燈 發表於 15-7-9 12:17
請問何謂英國神科?謝謝
Medicine, Dentistry, pharmacy .... 全部除了自己英國的考牌試 (唔知點叫)之外 ..要回港執業都要考香港的執業試,合格率唔高。
至於 Law ..我會話半神科 ...因為只要名牌大學校高分畢業,仍然有機會入讀香港的 PCL課程。

不過,在英國讀神科再返香港執業,用的時間一定比香港直接讀神科多...因為要考左英國的執業試,再返香港讀或者考香港執業試。


Rank: 12Rank: 12Rank: 12


54328
26#
發表於 15-7-9 19:46 |只看該作者
wloi 發表於 15-7-9 17:26
Medicine, Dentistry, pharmacy .... 全部除了自己英國的考牌試 (唔知點叫)之外 ..要回港執業都要考香港的 ...
但呢D神科如果在英國可執業嘛?(不是公民)

Rank: 6Rank: 6


9871
27#
發表於 15-7-9 20:05 |只看該作者
亮燈 發表於 15-7-9 19:46
但呢D神科如果在英國可執業嘛?(不是公民)
呢個我又唔清楚

點評

亮燈  Thanks  發表於 15-7-9 20:22

Rank: 6Rank: 6


9871
28#
發表於 15-7-9 20:54 |只看該作者
剛剛睇倫敦地鐵罷工新聞。地鐵司機人工高過初級醫生,初級醫生年薪約 GBP 22,000 ...真係比香港少好多。

Rank: 7Rank: 7Rank: 7


11697
29#
發表於 15-7-10 10:49 |只看該作者
回覆 newbkmember 的帖子

I am not sure. You had better checked. If not, there is no point to study medicine in UK. If you do not have full practice licence in UK, you are not qualified to take the licentiate examination. That means you cannot practice in Hong Kong. Neither you can practice in UK if you are not qualified to be a houseman.

Rank: 7Rank: 7Rank: 7


11697
30#
發表於 15-7-10 11:01 |只看該作者
回覆 poonseelai 的帖子

According to the figures of the annual reports of The Standing Committee on Legal Education and Training, I estimated that each year, CU and CityU provide about 150 to 160 PCLL spaces respectively, while HKU provides 340 PCLL spaces. The total number of PCLL spots is about 650.
CU admits about 10 to 15 (estimated) applicants who are not CU graduates.

CityU admits about 10 to 15 (estimated) applicants who are not CityU graduates.

HKU admits about 120 non-HKU graduates (estimated), of which 80 spaces go to LLB overseas graduates, 40 spaces go to CPE, GDL and external LLB degree holders.

The figures are estimated only according to the reports. Taking into account of the quotas of 3 PCLL providers, about 100 LLB graduates from overseas are admitted to study PCLL in the 3 universities.

According to the figures, the competition for a PCLL spot amongst the overseas graduates in CU is very fierce. Your friend's daughter should have a very good result in her LLB degree.


點評

poonseelai  thanks for the detailed information  發表於 15-7-10 11:57

Rank: 7Rank: 7Rank: 7


11697
31#
發表於 15-7-10 11:11 |只看該作者
回覆 wloi 的帖子

As disclosed in the annual report of The Standing Committee on Legal Education and Training, HKU admits about 80 overseas graduates (mainly from UK and Australia) for the PCLL course each year.
The number of Oxbridge LLB graduates who are from Hong Kong should be around 10. That means even if you are not an Oxbridge graduate, you still have good chance of being admitted to take the PCLL course (assuming that you complete the conversion examinations and have a score of 7 or above on IETLS test) if you have a good LLB degree.

Rank: 12Rank: 12Rank: 12


54328
32#
發表於 15-7-10 11:26 |只看該作者

引用:剛剛睇倫敦地鐵罷工新聞。地鐵司機人工高過

原帖由 wloi 於 15-07-09 發表
剛剛睇倫敦地鐵罷工新聞。地鐵司機人工高過初級醫生,初級醫生年薪約 GBP 22,000 ...真係比香港少好多。 ...
因為香港既醫生、律師都係變相壟斷。



Rank: 7Rank: 7Rank: 7


11697
33#
發表於 15-7-10 11:32 |只看該作者
回覆 wloi 的帖子

I think your daughter should mean LPC - Legal Practice Course. In UK, you need to take and pass the 1-year LPC course before you are qualified to proceed with training. It is more or less similar to the PCLL course of Hong Kong.
BCL is known as Bachelor of Civil Law, which is a Master Degree for law graduates. As far as I know, only Oxford offers BCL in UK. The competition for a spot of BCL is as fierce and difficult as the competition for an LLB spot in Oxbridge.

You need not come from Oxbridge for a PCLL spot in Hong Kong. So long as you have a reasonably good LLB degree from other colleges, you still have chance to be admitted to the PCLL course.

Rank: 6Rank: 6


9871
34#
發表於 15-7-10 14:09 |只看該作者
亮燈 發表於 15-7-10 11:26
因為香港既醫生、律師都係變相壟斷。
英國醫生收入少,不過英國律師收入好高嘅。

Rank: 2


72
35#
發表於 15-7-10 17:02 |只看該作者
Chinese terms are never precise and with shoddy reporting nowadays so widespread in the press and a general public unwilling to crosscheck sources no wonder forum sometimes could unwittingly becomes a source of misinformation.

The British still welcome foreign medical graduates to practise on their turf though with less open arms nowadays, the door is ajar for international medical graduates but remains wide open for home-reared foreign graduates and its here that Chinese terms 外國醫生, 海外醫生 etc. fail  to make the distinction. The rule is simple, if one’s primary qualification is from outside the UK, EU and Switzerland, the process to gain registration is full of red tapes and burdened with a common entrance examination - the PLAB ( Professional and Linguistic Assessments Board ) test with IELTS thrown in for those whose native language is not English ( hence those from medical schools in Australia, NZ would only need PLAB but those from HK would also require IELTS in addition ). Foreign graduates from UK medical schools sail down a path similar to an average Brit and compete for a place in a two-year internship, named Foundation Year ( FY ) 1 and 2 respectively on an extended Tier 4 visa, normally granted without much fuss from Home Office as this forms part of the necessary post graduate training, and after FY 1 one is eligible to change from provisional to full registration with the General Medical Council ( GMC ). Normally the number of post available is commensurate with the number of new graduates in that particular year, give or take the occasional glitch. Core Training post which normally last for 2 years follows FY 2 and one has to switch to a Tier 2 visa for such post. Success rate for switching visa is almost 100% for first-time applicants if they have been offered such posts.

For those wishing to continue their specialty training in the UK beyond FY the bottleneck lies at changing from a Core Training ( CT ) post to a Specialty Training Post ( ST ) - the competition is most intense here and successful candidates normally would have passed the membership exams, have at least a few publications and presentations on their CV and for more competitive specialty like Surgery, additional qualifications like MSc, MD or even PhD are becoming increasingly desirable, especially for teaching hospital posts. It is not uncommon for doctors to combine a few years of research in related fields during their core training period. To sail straight from FY to CT and eventually to ST is not unheard of but usually such opportunity is reserved for those with fabulous CVs from the onset - many distinctions and prizes during medical schools together with stellar references. Otherwise most doctors do normally have to languish between different CT posts in related fields for a while. For non-EU graduates of UK medical schools, the difficulty used to arise here as it was difficult to renew a Tier 2 visa again changing between CT posts or progressing towards ST posts as they were only considered if there were no suitable home or EU graduates available - but thanks to recent lobbying by the British Medical Association ( BMA ) on behalf of foreign graduates of British medical schools, this restriction known as resident labour market test (RLMT) will no longer be in place for them from Aug 2015 onwards. The game is now merit-based without any more red tapes for this category of 外國醫生.

Foreign graduates of UK medical schools to gain equal access to specialty training, says BMA http://careers.bmj.com/careers/advice/view-article.html?id=20020383


Put it simply, Full Registration should be the norm as it always has been unless one really did poorly at medical schools with unfavourable references following their FY posts. For those wishing to remain in UK to specialise, the game is now fairer once again without them being penalized. After CT posts most of them would have been legally remained in UK for 9 years anyway, in other words, they could apply to become British Citizens and be on equal footing as their local or EU peers are in another year's time. For those who had attended an intercalated course they would have been in the UK for 10 years exactly and probably have already applied to become a naturalized subject so this new ruling would make no difference to them .

The basic salary maxes out at around  £70,000 for trainee doctors and around £100,000 for specialist consultants who prefer not to do any private work. As the training would take a minimum of 7 years to complete following FY 2 and doctors are unheard of to practise privately upon full registration unlike HK if immediate monetary gain is what one is looking after I am afraid he or she would be better suited to remain in HK.

This is what I glimpsed from cruising through documents widely available from GMC, Home Office, deaneries etc. on the net, and my understanding so far is that it hasn’t changed significantly from what it used to be from the late 80s when a classmate of mine who went on a Prince Phillip Scholarship to Cambridge to study medicine after A level and who has decided to remain in UK ever since working as a consultant in one of the teaching hospitals. His salary last time we chatted was in excess of £200,000 and he isn’t a top dog in his field. Top earners could make significantly more than this - it largely depends on how much private work they could attract and are willing to do as a consultant and whether they have merit awards. One of his trainee colleague from London went on to specialise in pharmaceutical medicine ( a specialty not available in HK as far as I Know ) and is now a senior vice president in drug development at Pfizer working in Boston, US. With stock option and other bonus he is close to 800,000 USD per annum. The pay is lower to start with for trainees but once one becomes a consultant, it is altogether a whole new ball game.

Just my 2 cents and I hope this would debunk some myth and helps those who want to study medicine in the UK.

Rank: 2


72
36#
發表於 15-7-10 17:17 |只看該作者
it seems that since 2003 primary medical qualifications from HKU and CUHK are no longer exempt from PLAB.

Rank: 7Rank: 7Rank: 7


11697
37#
發表於 15-7-10 18:01 |只看該作者
回覆 阿飯 的帖子

Thanks for your clear, cogent and thorough explanation.


Rank: 3Rank: 3


287
38#
發表於 15-7-11 18:07 |只看該作者

回覆:newbkmember 的帖子

Can work as long as the hospital is willing to get work permit for you, but having said that, you can work there but you can't join their training programme. You will just work like a doctor without specific title, will never get to train to become a consultant. That's what happening to my friend.

Therefore a lot of my other friends came back to HK to study medicines after AL in UK.



Rank: 5Rank: 5

熱血勳章


3535
39#
發表於 15-7-11 18:23 |只看該作者

回覆:Hongchu 的帖子

Therefore a lot of my other friends came back to HK to study medicines after AL in UK. Xxxxxxx
你的朋友好勁,佢地讀那間中學?



Rank: 5Rank: 5


1746
40#
發表於 15-7-11 19:10 |只看該作者
如果做滿法定年期入藉後,可以apply training 做consultant 嗎?
‹ 上一主題|下一主題