MYP looking for honest review

Hoola

Would like to know your honest feedback on MYP? Do you like it? If not, why not?My kid was at a PYP school and the lack of clarity was a nightmare. Most things were inquiry based, but young kids lacked systemic knowledge to even begin inquiring. PYP sounds nice and all, but in reality, it was rather impractical. I would love to hear your views on MYP!

Radiomama

PYP school 的課堂time table和教學內容、活動都沒有資訊？
我的孩子一直在IB school學習，以上的基本資訊從來不缺。
PYP 一樣有中英數美術體育音樂的基礎學習：語言的拼音、語法、默寫、作句、不同體裁的寫作；數學的加減乘除、圖形、量度、統計由淺至深。
PYP到MYP，一路都有課程跟進。MYP時候有些科目的用書其實是gcse 果套，所以學習的過程其實不是不可掌握。

Radiomama

至於你提及的unit of inquiry, 其實只佔time table上某些課堂，是一種跨學科學習，多數偏向social science/history/science的認識。小學階段有這科目，讓孩子活潑地學習未嘗不是好事。

Radiomama

至於MYP 其實繼續有不同科目專科專教；而MYP其中一個特點是每科都要寫文和做presentation/project。因此大家都覺得IB 學生的research and presentation skill好利害。
我的孩子在MYP階段的學習算是扎實，他有嘗試自修準備igcse的一些科目和應考，對他上IBDP是個不錯的預備。

lastpass

Hoola 發表於 24-4-28 01:25
Would like to know your honest feedback on MYP? Do you like it? If not, why not?My kid was at a PYP  ...

冇curriculum newsletter？

PYP做了36個units，有冇問返小朋友佢每日返學做了什麼？

RainyRice

Hoola 發表於 24-4-28 01:25
Would like to know your honest feedback on MYP? Do you like it? If not, why not?My kid was at a PYP  ...

Google找到以下星島IB專題其中兩篇報道。這篇是從傳統轉IB MYP遇到的困難及如何解決：
https://www.stheadline.com/parenting/3320363/IB課程家長不欲催谷升中棄傳統龍校升讀MYP玩得認真學以致用


以下是教育機構comment, 關於PYP直升MYP的困難。當然會偏向提議要有操練，但PYP上的comment大致上和你說的相近，可參考她對MYP的說法：
https://www.stheadline.com/parenting/3320299/IB課程前IB狀元Joyce-Wu分享不是想像般輕鬆想讀IB最好於幼稚園做一樣工夫

IB教育機構Cana Elite Education Centre 共同創辦人Joyce Wu是IB狀元，當年考獲44 / 45分佳績而獲全數學費資助到英國劍橋大學修讀經濟學，如今已是媽媽也是教導IB課程的老師，Joyce說：「IB的確沒有傳統課程的死板，但也不是大家想像的輕鬆。」
最簡單是傳統課程大多屬單向式學習。「IB課程有說明老師的角色是一位facilitator，教學模式像student center；….
「然而這一切要建基於老師的極強組織力，能將小學生該要學習的知識融入於不同課題中，可是因着PYP由學校及老師作導向式指引，部分學生會困惑不曉得自己在學甚麼，欠缺一個solid的成果，因而感到迷惘；所謂學懂是在於經歷後有人跟自己debrief，從而得到一個清晰的討論、指引。此外，縱然國際學校已經是小班教學，但是debriefing方面始終也未能跟每位學生做到，部分學校的主題組合往往只着重結果，因而忘記了過程中其實是要打好基本功。」
…. Joyce以教學經驗所得，完全沒有操練也實在不能。「情況就像1至100，只有少部分學校做到中間位置，很多同學升上MYP便浮現問題，而到時才補習便吃力了，譬如數學科一定要鍛煉好基本運算，才有能力計算更高階的算式。因此家長如要為孩子揀選適合的課程，就要清晰了解孩子的領悟力及組織能力，這兩方面較弱的孩子選讀PYP只會感到很lost —— 不是說PYP的課程有問題，而是演繹課程的方法實在太多，…只能說部分孩子未能只依靠課程好好學習，家長必須注意，否則PYP時好happy，再升上去就非常unhappy了。」

Hoola

To my understand, PYP and MYP is a framework and how it is implemented differ vastly among different schools. Some schools are great, providing a mixture of inquiry/research/presentation experience along with some solid knowledge teaching, while some schools fail to give the balance.

This lead to my question, which International School in hk provide a great MYP program? Which IS MYP is not delivering?

On the other hand, IGCSE, is more knowledge and exam based, but as school follows the curriculum, it usually deliver what it intends. Please correct me if i am wrong.

Hoola

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Thanks for your sharing! It sounds like your school has strike a good balance between knowledge vs inquiry! Do you mind sharing the name of your school? Here or via pm?

Hoola

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Our school focus a lot on the unit of inquiry, with little time left to teach 基礎學習。The teaching of basic knowledge feels rushed and is not consolidated.
For example, fractions are taught in 2 lessons. My children needs practice to absorb it all
但只係靠上堂講幾講、基礎好弱。

This could be a specific school problem, rather than PYP as a whole.

RainyRice

Hoola 發表於 24-4-29 09:41
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Our school focus a lot on the unit of inquiry, with little time left to teach ...

Sounds exactly like the issue raised in the article. Would be curious be know which PYP school does better in this aspect:
完全沒有操練也實在不能。「情況就像1至100，只有少部分學校做到中間位置，很多同學升上MYP便浮現問題，而到時才補習便吃力了，譬如數學科一定要鍛煉好基本運算，才有能力計算更高階的算式。

sainsbury

IB is juz so common these days from ESF VSA CDNIS to CIS and ISF and there isn't much discussion or concerns raised here on this fundamental issue with IB programme design.

Interested to see if parents from other schools encounter the same and see whether its an IB issue or school issue.

Hoola

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Exactly. Getting young kids 7-10 years old to have quality discussion and presentation is way harder than it is on paper.
Their research and presentation skills at young age is very green. So the quality of their research output and sharing to class is not particularly high. Once the class gets through everybody, a big chunk of time is used. Little left for solid teaching.

Perhaps, it works well at other schools, but as far as I can see, not at our school.
I would love to hear other sharing on the efficiency of other PYP program in HK.

Hoola

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Very well phrased. Many parents think these IB curriculum are the same, but I doubt so.I seldom hear discussion on this. Almost everyone, just discuss on the IB scores of each school.
How are MYP executed in differ schools? Are kids learning a good balance of solid knowledge and  "the way of learning"?

RainyRice

Hoola 發表於 24-4-29 10:39
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Very well phrased. Many parents think these IB curriculum are the same, but I ...

Wonder which IB PYP school are you referring to?

sainsbury

Hoola 發表於 24-4-29 10:35
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Exactly. Getting young kids 7-10 years old to have quality discussion and pre ...

So I always believed the "Inquirer" concept of IB dun not work for everyone. Those self-driven curious kids who always ask a lot of good queastions may benefit more than others. And of course how these kids are led in school in that inquiry process and what knowledge foundation the school provide them to do the inquiry are crucial.

Radiomama

Hoola 發表於 24-4-29 09:33
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Thanks for your sharing! It sounds like your school has strike a good balance ...

小兒Y1-13在RCHK 就讀。

基礎學習是必要，不過又不一定要花好多時間或者要好多補習。

小學階段，基本就是做好學校派回來的home learning（家課），初小時還有「每日一篇」和Raz kids platform的閱讀練習。那時老師也有介紹免費的網上平台Mathletics做數學練習，孩子都好喜歡。基礎練習就是這樣累積。

高小之後，我們有參加美國一網上學習平台，孩子較(emoji)系統接受數學及科學的知識。

至於提到research & presentation skills, 是一個好慢和漫長的成長過程；我仲記得第一次參與3-way conference 及student led conference, 一個bb模樣的人仔，要講自己學咗啲乜，真係要俾好多耐性同時間，佢一步一個腳印，十幾年下來，才成為今天嘅佢。

Radiomama

升上MYP後，家長見到學生成績無起色、上堂不專心，通常都會將學生轉介去補習。我也曾有這個爭扎，不過最後無行這條路。
學生在學習上究竟遇上咩困難？例如是不明白課程內容定不知道如何寫lab report? 是英文語法不佳定無創作靈感感？
又還是原來掛住打機睇YouTube 所以根本無心上課？

HoneyButter

同意樓主所說, 感同身受。有curriculum newsletter, 和 weekly email, 仍感到資訊不足夠, 本人幾乎每天也問孩子上學做過什麼.  IB是一個美好的概念, 看來問題是在執行和實踐, 基本功與概念的交滙.  一言難盡, MYP將至, 萬分焦慮.

Radiomama

HoneyButter 發表於 24-4-29 17:30
同意樓主所說, 感同身受。有curriculum newsletter, 和 weekly email, 仍感到資訊不足夠, 本人幾乎每天也問 ...

有冇參加學校的活動和講座？甚至約老師見面溝通呢？

每次3 way conference 及student led conference我都會擬定題目向孩子和老師發問，reflection and feedback 是重要的一環。另外，每個學期孩子都會帶一個厚厚的profolio回家，有冇習慣和時間仔細去研究一下？

我到今天仍然keep住孩子的這些學習記錄，其實真係好有趣。

964000

HoneyButter 發表於 24-4-29 17:30
同意樓主所說, 感同身受。有curriculum newsletter, 和 weekly email, 仍感到資訊不足夠, 本人幾乎每天也問 ...

我女小學雖然是British curriculum 加IB training, 其實我也不太清楚他們實際學了甚麼
但大家學校沒有做standard test嗎？我知ESF都有，會評估自己小朋友在英文和數學的水平，和英國私校學生比較percentile，保持到便不需太焦慮。
其實想知小朋友的學習成果，不一定要靠考試測驗分數，可以看他看甚麼書，寫的文章，做的projects, 都略知一二，有沒有「鑑賞下」？
另外學校也有unit assessment, 如果不達標應該會出聲，school reports應該也會comment on writing and maths 等水平，加埋standard test的結果，都應該大概知道情況，不需要太焦慮。
但如果日日打機乜都唔理，上堂發夢做功課求其，從不看書，就真牙煙D, 就算讀local school都死，學習態度問題。