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manicheung
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10-7-29 09:22
咩原因大家會帶你地既小朋友去做資優 test ?

請賜教~thx

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10-7-29 16:48
我認為以下三種情況才需去做IQ測試:

1.懷疑小朋友智力有問題(低智商),需做評估才能轉介特殊服務。

2.懷疑小朋友有ADHD過度活躍症,為了有全面及更準確診斷,有時臨牀心理學家(Clinical Psychologist)會要求做全面 ADHD 評估,當中需要做埋IQ測試。

3. 想報讀一些專為資優兒童之課程,而該課程需要IQ測試或要求提供IQ測試報告。

其實父母最清楚子女的強弱項,IQ測試報告除了給你一些雙對分數(e.g., verbal score, performance (non-verbal) score & the overall IQ score),不會給你更多有用資訊,那些分數除了上述三種情況有參考價值外,並無其他實則用處,只能用來滿足一些父母的虛榮心。

一些有關IQ test 的 Ugly True:

- 近幾年很多香港 CP 或 EP (Educational Psychologist) 仍然沿用香 港 韋 氏 兒 童 智 力 量 表 (WISC-III)來做 IQ測試。 香港 WISC-III 早於70年代制定(未知香港版有否跟隨英國版定期更新,但肯定不能跟最新之 WISC-IV 比),已經落伍及不準確,隨著社會進步,兒童平均智力提升,若用舊版做測試,不能真實反映被測試者跟其他年齡相若者智力真正比較。曾跟一位非私人執業之CP討論過 WISC-III 現在之準確性,說應該減10分才能有效反映被測試者之正確智商。

- 近幾年很多父母為了虛榮心或想 enrich 子女之 profolio,去找私人執業之CP或EP為子女測試IQ,形成一個龐大利益市場,某些欠缺職業操守的 CP 或 EP 往往為了討好客戶(希望有口碑而多些 referral),而給予較寬鬆之評分,因而做就很多假資優生,所以會發覺身邊很多小朋友都說是資優兒。

- 有些父母找了一個 CP 或 EP做但不滿意結果會去找另一個 CP 或 EP再做,有些甚至會做 三、四次。正確做法是做完一次IQ 測試最少要隔兩、三年才能再做,否則短時間再做會因適應題目而取得較高分數,但那個較高分數並不是被測試者真正的智商水平。

- Gifted 顧名思義是上天給予的禮物,是不能後天培養出資優兒,靠操練類似IQ測試題目及短時間重覆測試,會提升分數但這純粹是自欺欺人,所以 CP 或 EP 是有責任將 IQ測試題目保密的。

- 高IQ兒童不代表一定學業或事業有成,後天培養及合適教導更為重要,所以社會上也有很多資優但低成就之人。
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原帖由 manicheung 於 10-7-29 09:22 發表
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10-7-29 21:15
好詳細呀,唔該晒你呀~
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原帖由 Y2KChild 於 10-7-29 16:48 發表
我認為以下三種情況才需去做IQ測試:

1.懷疑小朋友智力有問題(低智商),需做評估才能轉介特殊服務。

2.懷疑小朋友有ADHD過度活躍症,為了有全面及更準確診斷,有時臨牀心理學家(Clinical Psychologist)會要求做全面 ADHD  ...

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10-7-31 04:18
Most people think IQ test only relates to IQ, but actually there is more.  My girl does not have any focus or AHDH problem.  She used to be the most noisy, active and social one in the group, but she becomes very passive and quiet to a level that worry me.  So we met up with a CP, and discuss my concerns.  He suggested us to take the IQ test after a detailed questionnaire and discussion....so we did.

The result provides us a different angle to look into the issue.  It provide us some hints of the changes.  I also suggest my friend to take the test because her daughter has some behaviour problem.  We may understand our daughter some, but I don't have the guts to say I understand her all.  We both think the result are accurate, and it explains.  So to us, it is not the mark, but the whole profolio.  Not because of 虛榮, just because we want to understand more.  
I did not submit the result to "enrich" her profolio, and actually there are not much support and course for gifted children.

I do agree some organization is very commercial, so you may need to choose carefully.  The format is changed for the new version, so it is not really apple to apple.

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10-7-31 07:52
好詳細呀,唔該晒你~
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原帖由 chloecadence 於 10-7-31 04:18 發表
Most people think IQ test only relates to IQ, but actually there is more.  My girl does not have any focus or AHDH problem.  She used to be the most noisy, active and social one in the group, but she  ...

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10-8-1 18:44
Your case is just a little bit similar to the 2nd situation I have mentioned before, i.e. to conduct an IQ Test in order to confirm the diagnosis of a certain child behavioral problem.

I think many parents have already known that IQ test is not only related to IQ and in fact, there are some child behavioral  problems which are closely related to IQ and an IQ test may help to confirm the diagnosis.

However, it is also the Ugly True that in fact there are in most cases not necessary to conduct an IQ test when handling child behavioral  problems, including your daughter's case. The reason is that an IQ test may only help in some cases to confirm the diagnosis, of which there are no practical uses, except for academic interests. On the other hand, the treatment or therapy applied for child behavioral  problems will make no difference no matter the problem child is gifted or not. It means that it is not necessary to confirm your child's IQ or giftness  in treating the behavioral problem.

Since the cost involved in conducting an IQ test is quite significant, a decent and good CP (i.e. non commercial one) will only recommend taking an IQ test for the child with behavioral problems when there is a necessary and practical need. For examples:
1. If the child's problem is suspected due to low IQ and then a formal IQ test report is required for referring to other supporting organizations
2. A formal and official full diagnosis report is requested by the child's school or any organization for reference in explaining the child's behavior
3. For some child behavioral problems, the confirmation of the diagnosis is very important when medication is one of the effective ways to treat the problem, e.g. ADHD. In such cases, some CPs would like to play safe to confirm the diagnosis first before recommending the child to seek for further diagnosis by a psychiatrist who may prescrible medication to treat the problem.

I know a case that a kid was reported to have behavioral problems at school and his parents called for a private CP's help. The parents already suspected their child being gifted and also suspected their child's problem might be caused by his giftness. Therefore they asked the CP's advice and also requested the CP to conduct an IQ test. The CP had conducted some assessments and agreed that the child had some emotional problems. However, the CP didn't recommend any IQ test because there was no such need as the results of the IQ test would have no use on the treatment. The CP had suggested some EQ and behavioral treatments as well as some practical advices. The kid was under closely monitored for two years and had shown significant improvements. Two years later, the kid's school teacher suspected the kid suffered from ADHD and requested the parents to have a formal diagnosis by a CP. The parents then consulted the CP again and the CP said the kid didn't seem to be suffered from ADHD but however as the school requested a formal diagnosis report, the CP requested the kid to conduct a formal IQ test in order to write a formal professional full diagnosis report. The IQ test result confirmed the CP's preliminary assessment that the kid is just highly gifted that caused him having some behaviors a little bit similar to an ADHD child but that kid is definitely not ADHD.   

Regarding the IQ test report, no matter the new verison or the old version, it is true that the assessment or measurement covered a wide range of different aspects in order to cover various spectrum related to intelligence  - i.e. what you called a whole profolio. However, those detailed spectrum or analysis are in fact only for academic interests and no practical uses. They cannot tell you how to better nurture your child. A caring parent will have already known their kid (i.e. the characteristics, temperance, strengths and weaknesses, etc.) much better than what the IQ report told. This is also exactly the reason that a good CP with professional ethics will not easily recommend any child to conduct the IQ test unless there is a necessary pratical need.
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原帖由 chloecadence 於 10-7-31 04:18 發表

Most people think IQ testonly relates to IQ, but actually there is more.  My girl does not haveany focus or AHDH problem.  She used to be the most noisy, active andsocial one in the group, but she becomes very passive and quiet to alevel that worry me.  So we met up with a CP, and discuss myconcerns.  He suggested us to take the IQ test after a detailedquestionnaire and discussion....so we did.

The result provides us a different angle to look into the issue.  Itprovide us some hints of the changes.  I also suggest my friend to takethe test because her daughter has some behaviour problem.  We mayunderstand our daughter some, but I don't have the guts to say Iunderstand her all.  We both think the result are accurate, and itexplains.  So to us, it is not the mark, but the whole profolio.  Notbecause of 虛榮, just because we want to understand more.  
I did not submit the result to "enrich" her profolio, and actually there are not much support and course for gifted children.

I do agree some organization is very commercial, so you may need tochoose carefully.  The format is changed for the new version, so it isnot really apple to apple.
               

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10-8-1 20:25
Totally agree to your opinion, but i think that is not easy to be " A caring parent will have already known their kid (i.e. the characteristics, temperance, strengths and weaknesses, etc.)"

We do not notice that we don't know the thing which we don't know.
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原帖由 Y2KChild 於 10-8-1 18:44 發表
Your case is just a little bit similar to the 2nd situation I have mentioned before, i.e. to conduct an IQ Test in order to confirm the diagnosis of a certain child behavioral problem.

I think many p ...

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