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Those are very good points indeed. IS would be better for these children because the less rigorous style might give room to foster some area of interest. Everyone has areas of strength and weakness, and maybe IS can give the slow boomers a chance to blossom into their full potential.

But what about IB or GCSE or US curriculum? Which one do you think would be best for the average student?

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發表於 08-5-22 21:28 |只看該作者
The curriculum is not my concern in the early stage of education as long as getting to a school with good reputation rather then trying new school (it may turn up to be better but I cannot afford to take risk). My preference will be IBD in the later stage as it is a global qualification (this is the only reason).

原文章由 hysterical 於 08-5-22 20:42 發表
Those are very good points indeed. IS would be better for these children because the less rigorous style might give room to foster some area of interest. Everyone has areas of strength and weakness, a ...

[ 本文章最後由 matthewdad 於 08-5-22 23:32 編輯 ]

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回覆 #141 hysterical 的文章

Dear hysterical,

I don't know US curriculum. My feeling is IGCSE tends to be more subject specific (which I don't like it but still my kid need to take it since their school adopt) and it is also a single exam. (rather like HKCEE and HKAL nowadays). IB put some weighting on the continuous assessment(same as some subjects in future HK exam.). That is the part quite costly to maintain the quality through continuous audit the school and teachers by IBO. For school not adopting the MYP, they still need to do something for evaluating the student at G10 in order for promoting the suitable student to take the IBD, thus normally they still take IGCSE.

One more input, I just visit the China book city and find that the English version of NG theme set and cultural series are all sold out. This in fact an indication either lot of HK schools are demanding it (which I don't believe) or more and more schools/individuals in china are concerning about social science which are not exam. related. It's an alarm to those parent who still think their kids are superior since they score high marks in international competition. In the coming decades, all are social science and business, no more technical(just for living, maybe unless you are excellent), some medical(society can't afford too much). So as a responsible parent, what will/can you do? Still insist in their immediate marks or compete with their classmates, will it be too naive?

[ 本文章最後由 father_ho 於 08-5-25 00:11 編輯 ]

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some info sharing

明報專訊】遭批評濫發A級的英國    高考及會考    ,可能於2013年被新文憑試取代。英國教育部公布,明年將推出包含科學、語文及人文學科的文憑試,並且不保證維持現時的會考及高考。
英國教育部長波爾(Ed Balls)公布,明年9月起分階段推出新的文憑試,共有17科,「中級程度試」難度與會考相近;高級試則與高考相近。他表示,現時不會取消高考,但家長、學生、僱主及大學最終可選擇參考文憑試。波爾的講法一反前英國教育部長堅持不設文憑試的立場,並獲得教育學者支持。學者認為,由市場決定淘汰哪些公開試的做法最理想。

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some info sharing

明報專訊】遭批評濫發A級的英國    高考及會考    ,可能於2013年被新文憑試取代。英國教育部公布,明年將推出包含科學、語文及人文學科的文憑試,並且不保證維持現時的會考及高考。
英國教育部長波爾(Ed Balls)公布,明年9月起分階段推出新的文憑試,共有17科,「中級程度試」難度與會考相近;高級試則與高考相近。他表示,現時不會取消高考,但家長、學生、僱主及大學最終可選擇參考文憑試。波爾的講法一反前英國教育部長堅持不設文憑試的立場,並獲得教育學者支持。學者認為,由市場決定淘汰哪些公開試的做法最理想。

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回覆 #1 NLai 的文章

Secondary revolution
Call for choice as the IB replaces A-levels in Hong Kong. Liz Gooch reports
Liz Gooch
Oct 27, 2007 (SCMP)
It has been hailed as education's answer to the demands of a globalised, 21st-century world. With a rigorous curriculum covering subjects from humanities and science to a compulsory foreign language, the International Baccalaureate Diploma is attracting a rapidly growing following among schools around the world.
But as the number of international schools in Hong Kong offering British A-levels dwindles, concerns have emerged about whether the international alternative is suitable for all students.
The popularity of the IB in Hong Kong has soared in recent years, with 14 schools offering the diploma. From the beginning of this academic year, all English Schools Foundation schools have followed the IB diploma, along with others such as Yew Chung, Australian and Chinese international schools.
German Swiss is one of the few international schools still offering A-levels. This year the school, which will continue to offer A-levels until 2013, has admitted a number of students, including some from the ESF, who transferred because they did not want to sit the IB.
Fleshing out the debate over the merits of each qualification earlier this month was Michael Parris, senior market development manager of the Cambridge Education Group, who gave a presentation at the British Council in Hong Kong.
Mr Parris echoed local concerns that the IB may not cater for all students. "If the student has selected IB for the right reasons - that it suits them and they're excited by that prospect - then that's a positive," he said. "There's a risk that students choose the IB because it's the latest trend or perhaps because there's no other choice available, which clearly can't be good."
Although both qualifications prepare students for university, A-levels and the IB differ greatly. A-levels comprise two components; the standalone AS and the more advanced A2 exam, which is not a qualification in its own right. Students typically study four subjects at AS, dropping down to three at A2, although many Hong Kong students take more. Both AS and A2 modules in the same subject have to be passed to constitute an A-level.
It was revealed by Britain's Schools Minister Ed Balls this week that the future of the A-level would be reconsidered in 2013, when the new diploma structure for England and Wales has been fully implemented.
The IB, which is a whole curriculum qualification, requires students to study six subjects across a range of disciplines, including a second language. They must also study a "theory of knowledge" unit, write an essay of 4,000 words, and complete a Creative Action and Service (CAS) component, which requires students to be involved in artistic pursuits, sports and community service work.
The six subject areas - two languages, experimental sciences, arts, maths and computer science, and individuals and societies - are marked on a scale of N (no grade) and one (very poor) to seven (excellent). With three marks given jointly for the essay and CAS component, the most points a student can score is 45.
Mr Parris, who recruits Hong Kong students for his group's British schools, one of which offers the IB, said the diploma was a broader qualification which allowed students to "personalise" their studies.
However, he said: "It's not a one-size-fits-all. For those who it suits it's a fantastic qualification. These are the type of people who are perhaps more able to guide their own learning." It forced people to cover a range of subjects instead of focusing on a particular field.
"That's where potentially you've got a problem ... somebody who isn't as broad has to study subjects that they're not as good at. You might have a scientist who happens not to be very good at humanities and languages, who therefore perhaps wouldn't do very well in the IB. If their only other choice is a vocational route then that might be a good opportunity missed."
But Mr Parris said the type of learning required in the IB made the qualification popular with universities. "I think it's because of the breadth and the theory of knowledge [component] that leads students into more critical thinking, analysis, generating their own opinions and presenting an argument, which are exactly the skills they need to develop when they get to university," he said.
Although offering both the IB and A-levels at individual schools was probably unrealistic, Mr Parris said it would be better if more alternatives were available across Hong Kong.
From the beginning of this academic year, ESF students have had to choose between studying the IB or the ESF diploma, a vocational course that draws on elements of the IB. This has led some students to seek alternatives, with some enrolling in the German Swiss school to study A-levels.
Head of German Swiss' English secondary department, Mary Peart, said this academic year the school received more applications than normal for Year 12.
"We certainly took students in from ESF which we wouldn't normally do," she said. "All the ESF students did say `we didn't want to do the IB, we wanted to do the A-levels'. Several of them were looking at medicine and particularly wanted to do the three sciences, which is not possible under the IB."
The school decided to delay introducing the IB until 2013 after surveying parents and teachers. Ms Peart said parents of secondary students were in favour of continuing with the A-levels, while those with primary students were more supportive of the IB. Current secondary students would be able to complete A-levels before the school made the switch.
She said although the IB prepared students well for university, A-levels still had many advantages, including allowing students to specialise.
"Students are extremely well motivated because they are studying what they want to do," she said. "It does cater for the very capable ... but also students who are less able."
She said catering for all abilities would be a challenge under the IB.

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發表於 08-5-26 15:07 |只看該作者

回覆 #1 NLai 的文章

為何我這樣担心IB and A level exam 呢? 好明顯, A level 有甘多年歷史, 我哋自己都take 過, 有几難, 心中有數. 例如我理科叻, 考佢 Phy, chem, Bio 加个A-maths, pure math, etc,讀10 年past paper, 有几難A? 反之則難如登天. But, IB, セ嚟? http://www.ibo.org/ 上完佢个web 都吾明, 我个女學校話佢以后要考IB, 作為一个盡責ge mami, 都要知道及明白, 有几多家長自己有考過IB? sharing 吓..不過, 好明顯 IB 在末來十年會成國際主流, 要面對現實, (even i dont want to.), 边樹有past paper 可尋? or web for study more?
我覺得考試只係人生好小部份, 但係一个重要ge 踏腳石上另一階段, 俗語話: 理想要迖到, 快人一步. 所以我多事而家就plan 呀女以后考IB or GCSE, (seem IB more for the case in 8 years later), then 要prepare 点考IB 先考得好. 請各方高人指点.

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發表於 08-5-26 16:39 |只看該作者
Your observations maybe an important indication that it is the current trend for parents to seek wider range and more well-rounded education as opposed to the test-specific basic subjects.

I think your finding is very accurate that careers in business are definitely more sought after than the more technical ones like medicine. In our society today, bankers and businessmen can potentially make a far better living than doctors, and their education path is very different, requiring less specific yet more exposure to various elements.

Thus, maybe that's the reason for the recent popularity of IBD.

原文章由 father_ho 於 08-5-23 17:11 發表
Dear hysterical,

I don't know US curriculum. My feeling is IGCSE tends to be more subject specific (which I don't like it but still my kid need to take it since their school adopt) and it is also a s ...

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發表於 08-5-26 16:57 |只看該作者
I think the IB education is very different from the traditional one targeted for the GCSE or A-levels. From what I see at my kid's school, their learning is very hands-on and much more in-depth than I expected. They are taught at a very young age (my kid is in year 4) to conduct research on the topic that they are studying, and to organise their ideas in different ways to form a piece of writing. This is certainly very different from how I was taught as a child.

So, I think we need to learn to think beyond tests and old papers and how to ace a subject. For example, I heard that a year 8 student at my son's school had to write a research paper for science, and she spent several weekends doing research and writing. In the end, she got a good grade, but not the best because the teacher took points off for flawed research and in-text referencing. So, it just involves a lot more than sitting there and memorising.

Good luck to everyone! It's tougher that ever... There's just no easy way out...

原文章由 NLai 於 08-5-26 15:07 發表
為何我這樣担心IB and A level exam 呢? 好明顯, A level 有甘多年歷史, 我哋自己都take 過, 有几難, 心中有數. 例如我理科叻, 考佢 Phy, chem, Bio 加个A-maths, pure math, etc,讀10 年past paper, 有几難A? 反之 ...

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回覆 #147 NLai 的文章

Dear NLai,

If you insist, you can take a look on the following link which give you some idea of IB books, past papers and course work. Those may not be excellent one and also no standard model answer.

http://www.coursework.info/International_Baccalaureate/
http://www.ibbookshop.co.uk/catalog/index.php/

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回覆 #1 father_ho 的文章

Dear father_ho,
Thank a lots, I will study the web. For me, IS doesnt only mean good english level for my kid, but also way of living.
Dear Hysterical,
Yes, my girl is in Grade 5, they did a big project about China, they have to search all info from internet, make it in powerpoint or word format. They also need to do a presentation before all clas about what they say. It really something, they need 4 weeks to prepare it, meanwhile, they learn how to search info, how to use powerpoint, what to put in presentation, how to make everybody dont feel bore during presentation, I feel she is so strong! But, still, the school doesnt mention anything the public exam to us yet..

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發表於 08-5-27 10:40 |只看該作者
I think if a school is an IBD school, they should have all the resourse to support and help the students, from choosing subjects to university placements.
Why don't you go directly to the school IBD office and ask for more information? I would have presumed that a school would not update primary parents with IBD information. But if you are so keen on knowing more, ask them to keep you posted when they will hold the next IBD information session. I think you will then be able to obtain more accurate information from the school IBD coordinator.

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回覆 #1 almom 的文章

Yes, you are right, they normally do this when the kid is in secondary. I am not sure what happen to secondary, let's me ask !

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回覆 #152 almom 的文章

Dear almom,

It's not always the case as I know some of the IBD school will not pass those information to their student as they don't want student too marks driven. Student should perform naturally and reflect what knowledge they did acquired for the past years. School will just provide the assessment structure, weighting, component and options. I do support it as it is the essence of IB concept.

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Yes, for my understanding 30% is in project and 70% is in exam. They have to learn how to make a good project.

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原文章由 father_ho 於 08-5-27 15:56 發表
Dear almom,

It's not always the case as I know some of the IBD school will not pass those information to their student as they don't want student too marks driven. Student should perform naturally an ...


I agree totally that students should not be totally mark driven. However, I do not agree that we have to go to the other extreme and deny the significance of exams and marks.

I would not be worried that students would be totally mark driven. Bear in mind that IB itself is not a single exam. Students cannot merely look at that exam, and ignore all other assessments and work, etc. And on the other hand, the exam is one part of what is going to contribute to their final score. Exams ARE as important as all other assessments and work.

Of course, acquiring knowledge is the ultimate goal of attending school. But exams, like assessments and projects, are some of the many chances when you can show how good you are. If we are asking our children to try hard in working on projects, I do not see why we should not ask our children to try hard with exams as well. And being well prepared is a way of trying hard and show your respect and attitude towards the ritual. I do not think that by merely looking at some past papers, it is going to drastically help raising the final score, but I do believe that by looking at past papers, a student can have a better idea of what exams look like. And this can also be something more psychological than practical.

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回覆 #156 almom 的文章

I see your point. Indeed we did the same approach in the past, but the fact is they are now gone too far and lack of the exploring sense/intention. Once had the past paper, they will just confine their thinking/approach and if the outcome is not the one they perceive, all student disappointed and blame the authority. It's a dead log and you can observe numerous example everday such as the lang. test result just announced. Auth. can deliberately "lower" the standard in order to avoid "noise". Exam. itself doesn't had problem, it's the student how to treat those exam. Together with those "expectation" from parent/employer/gov., are they actually acquiring the knowledge or just get a score?

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I totally understand your concern.

You have described the exact picture of the education under the local education system.

There are many reasons why the local system is "not working" (or at least, is not working as good as 40 years ago). Yes, students/parents care too much about marks or scores. In fact, they probably care ONLY about marks or scores. I do not want to go too far in discussing why this is so.  I would only say that it is probably a habit or culture that has rooted very deep in our DNA for a few thousand years.

I do not believe that there are big concerns in international schools. Western curriculum, IB or non-IB, is totally different from local curriculum. The teaching methodology, the culture, etc are also different. If you are familiar with the set-up at international schools, you will agree that students in are all curious little fellows that want and enjoy to learn. Even in secondary level, students are encouraged to be curious learners. Lots of students in international schools have sat for IBD, GCSE or IGCSE exams, etc. for many years. I am sure all of them have at some point looked at some past papers. However, we never have as huge a problem with those students regarding their attitude towards learning.

My attitude with past papers would be part of a learning process. Exams are some of the pointers of how good a person is. Exams are as important and as significant as projects. And by checking out a couple of past papers, students would at least feel psychologically more at ease.

Past papers can be good or harmful, depending on how parents are teaching their children. As a parent, I think I need to feed my children with the correct attitude of how to face exams; and I need to help them prepare for exams.

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Wow hot debate.  IB is not that popular in North America, but very so in Australia.  I think it is all personal choice what you like your child to do.  Just like choosing IS or Local.  Lots of local parents are going for IS but lots of westerns are putting their kids in local schools.  So, very personal.  For us you have to have SAT, I dont know now.

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I do not quite agreed with you.  All the good grammer schools in England and Australia use exam to qualify the standard of kids.
In Hong Kong, SiS use Singaporoan system, AIS use Australian system, GSIS use german- Swiss system, ESF use English system and so on.

Local school use the English system but they speak more chinese.

Exam is still the system which is the most popular in the world. (in US, it is important to have hig score in SAT, ..etc)



原文章由 almom 於 08-5-29 18:52 發表
I totally understand your concern.

You have described the exact picture of the education under the local education system.

There are many reasons why the local system is "not working" (or at least,  ...

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